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Finished: 08 AM Tue 16 Oct 18 UTC
Private Me and you, make We
1 day /phase
Pot: 182 D - Autumn, 1917, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by swordsman3003 (14689 D (G))

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05 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 1914: Moderator: (jmo1121109): Paused till Monday for wdc
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 1914: Moderator: (ghug): Unpaused
14 Oct 18 UTC Christ! Congratulations Swordsman. Sorry everyone else. Something I missed led to the win.
14 Oct 18 UTC Durga, nice job hanging around for so long. In this gunboat case, if an Italy is uncooperative around Greece/Aegean, then how does Austria break that Constantinople junction? Fleet in Greece>Aegean and A Bulgaria?
14 Oct 18 UTC Doesn't matter. You and Russia completely failed at holding what should have been easy to hold
14 Oct 18 UTC This game would have been so different if I didn't nmr at a critical point. That last minute attempt to eliminate me instead of rushing to the line was so incredibly infuriating
14 Oct 18 UTC Warlegend. You’re early greed was your demise. You should have worked with me.
14 Oct 18 UTC Russia's late game moveset was beyond baffling. Good job swordsman
14 Oct 18 UTC I didn't appreciate being ganged up on.
14 Oct 18 UTC Well, you are a mod :)
14 Oct 18 UTC Gg all. Congrats swordsman
14 Oct 18 UTC Curirpia what compelled you to start throwing the game to Italy starting spring 1916.
14 Oct 18 UTC Actually the issues definitely started 1915
14 Oct 18 UTC Ssorenn my early greed was definitely my demise but I don’t think my problem was in attacking you.

I just need to work on my gunboat midgame
14 Oct 18 UTC Kind of spazzed out after France was gone..
14 Oct 18 UTC "You and Russia completely failed at holding what should have been easy to hold" Durga, care to enlighten me? I would definitely love to have you explain what you would have done differently.
14 Oct 18 UTC I often have that problem.. People throw everything at me until I'm eliminated and then they just spazz out; NMR or throw a solo.. My karma must be atrocious. I either need to stop strangling puppies, or up the tempo.
14 Oct 18 UTC You weren't so bad Austria, but Russia gave up so many centers for no reason. And you lost Munich for no good reason either.
14 Oct 18 UTC Warlegend, i Agree that a war against England was not really your problem. I think your 1905 attack against me while England still had all 3 of his home centers was very ill timed. Not only was it greedy and ineffectual, it made you appear as though you were attempting to solo.it also caused me to attack the crap out of you, instead of helping you to attack England or attacking England together with you, which is what I would have done if you had left me well enough alone. By attacking both me and England, you allowed a truce to form between powers that should have been enemies. This eventually set me up to take both your centers and England’s, since England had to prioritize fighting you. I also suspect that the appearances of greed and a solo win attempt that I am referring to encouraged Austria and Russia to attack you as well, especially after my retaliation succeeded tactically and you started looking overstretched.


I started feeling like I had a chance at a solo win around autumn 1910. I had a very strong defensible position in the north, and a good chance of cleaning up the English centers before Russia could get them. I knew that if I got all the English centers, something crazy would have to happen to prevent me from winning, like Austria ceding a bunch of centers to Russia or turkey to allow them to build fleets. I also had a really strong ability to defend against turkey.

I think Austria’s static, defensive play of just doing support holds was a big factor in my ability to solo, because I was able to freely relocate my units that had rather awkward positioning. Eg look at what I did in spring 1911.

Once I captured the English home centers in autumn 1912, I knew the game was mine to lose.

In order to break through my very light defenses around my home centers, austria and turkey would, together, have to acquire more fleet builds, get the fleets into position, and support each other on an attack to take Ionian. Given the austria and turkey appeared to be at war, that seems really unlikely. Not only that, but they would have to do it faster than I could acquire more fleet builds by capturing even 1 more center (not impossible but still difficult because Russia did not have sufficient fleets to form a stalemate line)

Most of the Russian armies, several of the Austrian armies, and both Turkish armies were useless in foiling my solo win plan, which did not involve capturing any centers defensible with armies. I did not need to capture any centers controlled by Austria or turkey to solo win - just Denmark, Norway, Sweden and STP.

I purposely allowed Russian fleets behind my lines without letting them capture any centers, with the plan (which succeeded) of surrounding and destroying the fleets so that any defense of the north would become impossible. I believe that 4 fleets are needed to stalemate the position that Russia and Austria carved out, or maybe 5. I haven’t thought about it for a long time. But I knew that 3 was probably not enough and definitely not 2 or less. So I think austria needed to cede centers to Russia to get more fleet builds fast. I also think Russia should have stopped attacking me, because it greatly lowered the chances that he would have fleets In the positions needed to stalemate me.

I correctly anticipated that I would destroy Russia’s fleet at Picardy in autumn 1914 and also block St. Petersburg to prevent any rebuild. So at that point, I believe I had a 95% chance of winning if I played flawlessly. The only way to be stopped at that point was for austria and turkey to take Ionian before I got any more builds and I was set up to get more builds quickly. If you look carefully I did not move WMS in autumn 1914 in case turkey got a build from Russia or Austria and I needed to add 1 more fleet to hold IOn.

Once I saw the autumn 1914 builds, I was 100% certain that I would win. War between Russia and turkey, instead of cooperation, raised my already extremely high chance of winning to a certainty. Nothing in the north was defensible and I needed only a few builds to completely stalemate Ionian.

Great game, and it was a pretty fun to go all-out west as italy In gunboat, something I recall doing only maybe once before in my life. Great alliance Hamilton. It was really cool of you to attack Germany.
14 Oct 18 UTC Yeah I was shook when I saw fleet sev build