Finished: 07 PM Thu 12 Jul 18 UTC
Private 2018 World Cup Group A FP2
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1915, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Unranked, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
14 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Oh, I guess I'm still a mod and not a Game Director.
15 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): As a reminder, it is Tuesday
15 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: It's Wednesday!
15 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: And my power was out when I got home.
16 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): I'll leave it to you to unpause the game when you want, but I will force it unpaused if I receive any complaint, since we're beyond the agreed timetable.

Also, the GB2 games are about to catch you, and they started a month later than you guys.
16 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: Well my power is out for what seems like 5 days (last estimate) so uh, have fun with all that. Pretty much stuck on data on my phone while hoping it doesn't die so
..ya know.
16 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): If you're unable to continue and others wish to get the game going again, you will have to be subbed out then.
16 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): There has been a request to unpause the game, so I will be unpausing now.
16 May 18 UTC Spring, 1906: Seems a pretty significant blow to the integrity of the game to knowingly moving ahead with a participant with connectivity issues. We probably should take steps to get a replacement, even if it’s just temporarily.
17 May 18 UTC Spring, 1906: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Paused again. I misunderstood the player request. England, you need to work out right now whether you will be available for the rest of the game without incident or whether you will be replaced. I'm in the process of reaching out to your team captain and sub now.
18 May 18 UTC Spring, 1906: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Okay, England has assured me that he will be around and active from here on out. I've gotten in touch with his sub and brought him up to speed that if there's another problem, he'll switch in.
18 May 18 UTC Spring, 1906: Ayyy, what's up everyone.
23 May 18 UTC Spring, 1907: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Paused through Friday.
25 May 18 UTC Spring, 1907: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Unpausing and resetting
26 May 18 UTC Spring, 1907: It’s going to be stalemated after this round. Do you three wish to fight it out over there amongst yourselves or just go ahead end it?
27 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: That’ll do it. Thin if you wish on your end but we’re standing firm. Sorry Turkey, I know you were strongly hoping for a stab.
30 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Instead of messaging everyone individually, I may as well make a global message about this.

Despite the game being in a stalemate, Austria didn't want to accept a 5-way draw. I didn't see harm in talking with Austria about ways to thin it. Ideally, I wanted England to turn on France again, as everyone on the board was probably aware of, but that didn't happen. Stabbing Italy was a last resort option for me, but eventually we started talking about ways to potentially eliminate Italy without giving up the stalemate. Austria was much in favor for it. In his own words: "Eliminating Italy is really our only option." I decided to accommodate Austria.

So eventually we made a plan to eliminate Italy, and I moved my troops in accordance to the plan. As you can see, Austria made use of the situation by backstabbing me.

Italy, I am terribly sorry. I made a big mistake with my last orders. Never again will I make this same mistake.

Austria, I am shocked - shocked - that you, despite our exceptional cooperation so far in this game, decided to betray me. I was feeling all butterflies and then you do this. :( I will try to make sure you go down now.
30 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turkey,

I blame you more than France or England for steering this toward a stalemate. Taking Italy out was only going to lock this into a scenario you knew I found unacceptable. I voiced my concerns and how I was feeling rather uncomfortable to you about the bind you were putting me in and you basically wrote those concerns off.

Looking back, Russia's actions at the end, England's hesitancy, slow progress in the south, all stem from conversations you were handling. This should not have stalemated, and you had assured me that you and Italy were going to be able to press through in the south when we initially selected the course of action that led us here.

I enjoyed our collaboration, but our goals have clearly diverged and it was time to shake things up. Italy, do what you need to survive the Turkish stab, and I'll assist you as I can from there. England, France, if either of you wants to talk about how things proceed from here, my lack of draw vote (and being first to flinch at a 5wd) indicates what my priorities are.
30 May 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Okay that is just one big pile of bullshit.
25 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: Good game Austria, I very much enjoyed playing you.
26 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: 'Playing you' or 'Playing WITH you'? :P
Good game Austria!
26 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: Austria rubbing my nose in with a "Haha, I am surprised we got you to fall for the bait!" message certainly gave me a good giggle at the time. You two were pretty impressive con artists i must admit, very well played to you both.

(if I end up having crippling trust issues in future games i'm blaming the two of you)
26 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: Good game all. I played my gambit too late, clung to loyalty a bit longer than I should have this game. Turkey, it was fun while it lasted, unfortunately I couldn’t stomach the result we were heading for.

Italy, England... you played to your masters’ puppet strings well when things were good, but resistance is futile in the end. Results could have been much different.
26 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I liked that part of the game a lot, too. The autumn of 1904 was the best phase so far. Yes Austria, it was certainly fun while it lasted. I beg to differ with regards to your analysis, though... I think you clung to loyalty a bit *shorter* than you should have. :P
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I’m curious how everyone would have reacted had I stuck with Turkey, I saw the 5/4 way draw as inevitable, but feel free to withhold analysis until after the game is settled if you prefer.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I don’t think there was much choice on our side of the map but to hold out indefinitely or draw. The east had the west overpowered and your 1904 ploy proved you as pretty tight making any deals with you both as a duo quite unappealing. Some kind of shake-up was necessary, and even then it took a while to believe the stab was genuine and not just another attempt at a trick.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I will give the same analysis on this as I have given Austria in personal message before. A 3-way draw between England, Austria and Turkey would have been likely. If Italy would have been eliminated, there would have been less risk for England to attack France, since he would be needed to achieve a stable 3-way draw. If he still wouldn't trust it, he could have delayed his attack on France long enough so that there would have been sufficient time to eliminate France, but not to eliminate England after that, before the game would be force drawn in 1920.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I don't believe that's accurate. Around 1907 you could have removed Italy fairly surgically and replaced his units with your own. Changing unit colours that efficiently wouldn't have made your team any less dangerous.

Also doesn't take into consideration that had England and Austria decided to go to war with France with you having already stabbed Italy/crossed stalemate lines/posses decent flank on Austria, it would have left you in a strong position to stab Austria and make a credible solo bid. I think Austria's decision to make a move at the time was a good one, yet ultimately failed due to not managing to secure an alliance with Italy and your ability to quickly mend fences following the stab.

While we seem to be on a roll with a pre-EOG, big kudos to Italy for recovering what seemed like a very lengthy death march to rising to a very nice position last year. I'd accused him of insanity for the longest time for continuing to enable T/A's advancement, but I ended up eating my words. That was impressive.

In retrospect this has actually turned out to be quite the interesting game.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: Oh, are we drawing? Italy, hit that button please.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I just want this to all be over.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: Yeah, I seem to have a knack for that. In one of my past games I came back from a rather small Turkey to a solo.
27 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: I think I really should have made some bolder moves earlier, and not doing so really led to my stagnating.

Austria, I might have been able to side with you if you had been more honest in the past. I think that honesty is pretty underrated in diplomacy (at least on this site).
28 Jun 18 UTC Autumn, 1912: @France: The plan was that Austria would take part of Italy, too, so I am not sure if that would have worked.
@Italy: Yes, I figured you valued honesty. I believe you have never lied in this game yet? That is impressive. There are some nations I haven't lied to, too, but this can't be said for all. :p
05 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 1914: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Paused for 24 hours
06 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 1914: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Unpaused
07 Jul 18 UTC Autumn, 1914: This is getting pretty pointless Turkey. The wildcard spot is probably still yours for the taking as a 3wd would get Netherlands up to a very health 378, but clearly its not plausible for it to be either myself or England in the time remaining nor is it even worthwhile to do given i'm already a lock and England may as well be.

You can keep banging your head against my Berlin wall if you really wish, but five years isn't a lot of time and this seems like its slipping through your fingertips. The chances of you successfully taking Berlin, Tunis, and all of Italy for the much desired solo doesn't seem that good of odds at this point short of England making a poor thought out stab to open the door.
08 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 1915: And england doesn't want to make one of those poor thought out stabs
09 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 1915: England’s so dreamy!
09 Jul 18 UTC Spring, 1915: Pretty stalematey guys (for the second time). If you two are planning to remain friendly we can likely just call it and free up the time to enjoy our summers more. We’re only a few short weeks away from shorts and t-shirts weather here in the Pacific NW!
11 Jul 18 UTC Good game everybody. The few things that could still happen in this game should have had no influence on the final rankings, so I took the draw.

I am wearing shorts and a t-shirt while I am writing this by the way.
11 Jul 18 UTC Good game all!

Good luck making it to the finals Mercy! Was a hell of a last minute sprint for Team Netherlands.
11 Jul 18 UTC GG all. This was quite the game, especially with the incessant bickering with VI about DMZs.
11 Jul 18 UTC I KNEW you could talk!! ;)
11 Jul 18 UTC Yep, good game. I think I'm the only one here that won't qualify, though. I certainly learned a bit about playing Italy, though.
11 Jul 18 UTC Given the knife at your throat all game, you did absolutely amazing Italy! Very well done.
12 Jul 18 UTC Btw, I’m dying to hear the full story behind Austria and Turkeys massive early con. Was that always the play or was it a pivot?
13 Jul 18 UTC Should I share that, now that we can theoretically still get in the finals? :p
13 Jul 18 UTC Why, were you planning to recycle it?
13 Jul 18 UTC Besides, I think Group B just knocked you out.
14 Jul 18 UTC The story behind the con of Austria and me is quite funny.

Our alliance was based on it being obvious that we were committed to each other, so that we could maximally trust each other. That was the reason why Austria and I immediately attacked Russia, why Austria opened to Venice, and why I only built fleets in the early game. But after 1902, I started to get worried about Austria. He told me that he had told Italy that he would want to work together with him against me. I told Austria that I could not know for sure anymore that he was committed to our alliance, for I knew for a fact that he was lying to either Italy or me.

So I suggested that I would build pure fleets again to show my commitment, but that I would support Russia into Moscow and would bounce him in Rumania. That way, Austria had to use Warsaw to support hold Moscow, so he couldn't send it to Ukraine, and advances in the Balkan would be more difficult with me attacking Rumania also. Luckily, Austria took it lightly. The attack at Rumania didn't even need to be a bounce according to him.

At that time, I was acting a bit naive in my chat with France and basically agreed to everything he said. He suggested that I should stab Austria soon and that I should work together with Russia by doing so. After seeing my moves, he incorrectly assumed that I had followed his suggestion to stab Austria, and Austria and I just rolled with it.

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