Finished: 06 PM Tue 30 Jan 18 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by ghug (5068 D (B))
29 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck, folks! Here's hoping this is a fun one.
09 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hello hello, New Italy here
10 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Looks like Turkey will win.
10 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: who knows, maybe I could send my homeless army in a crusade against him (stress on homeless)

10 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: I might describe your homeless army as suicidal is you continue to fight me for little gain.
11 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1904: Who's Turkey?
18 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: Turkey is gunning for the solo, and about to take War and Mos. I propose we pull our heads out of the sand, adopt an immediate cease-fire, and coordinate to keep the Sultan contained.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: Italy's helping Turkey for who knows what reason.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: War+Mos+everything Italy has would leave me at 16, so that logic crumbles on closer examination. I'm not at immediate risk of soloing, and Italy isn't foolish to work with me.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: You are looking at the same Italy I am right? The one that let you have the Ionian and is supporting you into Bohemia.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: I'd be happy to tell you why I think Italy's strategy right now is the correct one once the game is over.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: I think I know why, I am just trying to let everyone else know that you are still a major threat.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: Sure. I'm bigger than everyone else. It's worth being mindful of me. It's not "ohmygodhe'sgonnasolo" yet though, and really the only powers that mindset would benefit right now are France and Russia.
19 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: I would strongly encourage you all to research stalemate lines. Two of the most important centers are Tunis and Munich as they can both be held effectively from both the south and the north. Turkey is really close to getting Munch and has a fleet adjacent to Tunis. If we (meaning everyone who is not Turkey) lose control of Munich and Tunis, the Turkey goes from a major solo threat to an extreme solo threat.

I am not saying "ohmygodhe'sgonnasolo" yet because we have a chance to organize a stalemate line. If Turkey can get control of Munich and Tunis, then we have a "ohmygodhe'sgonnasolo" situation.
20 Jan 18 UTC Spring, 1907: And that's why Italy will be getting both of those centers in short order.
21 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: Italy may be dumb enough to believe they're working together. We need to prepare to defend the draw line.
21 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'll get a fleet into Baltic Sea.
21 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: I didn't realize this had become a public press game, but OK.

Hey Italy, how about a two way draw?
21 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thanks for making it explicit.

Germany, England, France -- do you want a two-way draw, or shall we work to make it six?
21 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: Poor Austria :(
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Reiterating, Turkey and Italy have made explicit their plans for global expansion. We have an opportunity to force a draw. Let's stay coordinated and avoid getting greedy. It's a draw-size game, so we're all equal partners here.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: England, France, please add your draw votes, and let's keep the pressure on.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: To be fair, by playing the game, you are pretty much subscribing to the idea of attempting some level of world domination
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: And to the resistance of same. This isn't a moral question, just a pragmatic one.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Sure, what you're saying is reasonable, except for the bit where you don't plan to eliminate anyone once you've contained us. One doesn't have to look any further than Austria to see that's the case.

I'd love to two way draw, but realistically it's extremely likely we'll be stopped short of that. Ringing alarm bells makes sense for Russia and France, as they're the direct recipients of our attacks right now (further German gains are impossible without Italian armies getting into France first). It makes significantly less sense for England and Germany, who are forced to stay small by the mega-alliance and will thus be easy to safely cut like Austria once Russia and France are safe.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: This is a red herring. There's no "safe” that I can get to, nor France. If at some point England or Germany stab us, we'd have to pull forces from the stalemate line to respond. Similarly, if we try to eliminate then, that will open the door for you and Italy.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Obviously they shouldn't *stab* you. They should be demanding every center you can safely give them, because as things stand now, they're entirely possible to eliminate, and whatever the two of you want to say in public, you both know it.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Honestly, explain the tactics by which France and I could eliminate England or Germany without opening the door for you and Italy. Because I don't see it. France needs to get fleets to MAO stat. I could potentially free up one fleet, but more than that would leave Den open.
23 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: It's pretty trivial for me to back enough for you to do it, which got generally positive feedback as an idea when I proposed it in private.
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: The problem I see is that while backing off may be a great idea in practice, it is the opposite of what you are doing right now. Besides, I am currently inviting England to help join the defense which would make them near impossible to cut out without ramifications.
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Yes, abandoning his home centers will make him much more difficult to eliminate.
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Can I just say how refreshing it is for the global page to be used to discuss the game instead of someone repeatedly posting the full script for X-men as vengeance?
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: This isn't the X-Men fan forum?
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: No, I'm talking about just during a game. Some guy just started posting the script over and over. Made it pretty much impossible to do anything in global chat
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Sounds like a party.
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: England -- join the defense, please. Neither France nor I see a path to an endgame without you.
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Without your centers*
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Yes, you see all the units that I can currently move towards your centers.
24 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 1908: Good game, Austria.
29 Jan 18 UTC Just a casual heads up. Turkey can take Tunis, Naples, Rome, Trieste, and Munich this turn if people do not work together and recognize the threat. While most of you have turned a blind eye to the problem, it will not go away. We must stand and fight.
29 Jan 18 UTC Italy, turn and fight. I understand your motivation to this point. Continuing further is simply throwing.
29 Jan 18 UTC It's all well and good to support an ally in this game, Italy. But also, try and see it from your citizens perspective.

Rome will fall, and it's museums, and archaeological treasures will be under the control of some Turkish dignitary. Naples, Tunis... Venice, with the David, the holy relics...

The Holy See will fall to Muslim hands.

You are the leader of the Italian people. But you don't care. You told me in press that your loyalty to the Sultan is supreme. You're fine with being a vassal state. And your play has been true to your word.

You are no Italian.Even if the Sultan lives up to his word, your nation will survive by his grace.

You have yielded your country's autonomy, sir. It is despicable.
29 Jan 18 UTC Join the free nations of the world to reach a stable peace, if it's not too late already. That's what the game is about.
29 Jan 18 UTC Y'all are fun.
30 Jan 18 UTC Good game, all.
30 Jan 18 UTC Good game.
30 Jan 18 UTC @Turkey, you did a great job working the global propaganda and I am glad to see you chose to end my suffering quickly.
@Russia, valiant fight in the east. I am sorry that I did not get to work with you more.
@Italy, I have to say that you approach, while new and interesting, was quite annoying to play against. Can't say I did not warn you.
@England, sorry that I had to end our relationship so early on. It left you in an awkward position for the rest of the game.
@Germany, it was a pleasure to work with you while I could, but after your perplexing stab attempt, I felt that you were strategically unsound.
@Austria, sorry that your time drew to a close prematurely.
30 Jan 18 UTC Honestly, I'm fine with how it worked out, and after yesterday, well let's say I've got a better lease on life in general. Sorry for the rest of y'all though, I must've been infuriating to deal with

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ghug (5068 D (B))
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 70 D
18 supply-centers, 13 units
celaph (1474 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
JaimeR (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Survived. Bet: 10 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Leon Slath (398 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
3 supply-centers, 7 units
lucbrug (0 D X)
Resigned. Bet: 10 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
phantomsaber (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
Nathan the Wise (0 D X)Italy (Spring, 1904) with 4 centres.
lucbrug (0 D X)Germany (Autumn, 1910) with 2 centres.
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