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Finished: 06 PM Sat 30 Sep 17 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 700 D - Spring, 1917, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
25 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1915: Sigh. Another year where Austria does not draw the game.
26 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1915: Austria why are you dragging this out? You can see you have no hanger of breaking through, so what’s the point of this?
26 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1915: http://i.imgur.com/CNQYVv4.jpg
26 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1915: LOL France
26 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1915: I vote we just cancel the whole game.
26 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1915: patience, friends
27 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1916: Moderator: (Peregrine Falcon): Hello everyone,

I am giving Austria until the end of Autumn 1917 moves to break the stalemate. If the game is still deadlocked by then, I will force draw the game.


webDiplomacy Moderator
28 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1916: Ok, now we can talk in global, France. I'm proposing a 2way draw and 350 well-deserved points for you and me. I'm not desperate for a win here, I gave you my rationale before, and you remember I kept my word not to go for Munish when England CD'd. I will re-position myselt to have no fleets in tyrr and ion, and will try to remove moscov and bounce it so that england can't simply give me a win even if he wanted to. I will not remove all units, since I do not want you to pressure me and possibly 2wY with England, but I give you my word, I will not try to win it and will wait until you elliminate him. But I must keep 17 to make sure he does not give you a win.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: "I'm not desperate for a win here"

-Austria, the player who is desperate for a win
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I'm desperate to remove players who do not deserve points
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Look back at what happenned in this game
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: And think
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Just think
No need to bring arrogance, ok?
With Munich you will have 18 centers snd will be able to eventually win
Make counter-proposal
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: There is no such thing as a 2 way draw among reasonable players.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Alive people only please :)
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I disagree
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Now I hold 17, france can get there. It will be fair
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: So because we were eliminated, we don't have any right to talk? That's a bit of a shitty thing to say Austria. If I were France, I'd say forget you and three-way draw.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Since your opinion is useless at this stage I asked not to flood here
Write in private to France and provide your "fantastic" opinion
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: My fantastic opinion is that you're an asshole. I didn't help you solo. Literally get over it. You're not going to win.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I'm not stupid. I will not let you win the game.

The game will last until Autumn 1917, then the game will be forced to draw.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Austria I think for that to work you'd need to offer SCs. Like you'd need to be at 13 SCs.

Though the problem is that the only thing you have left to bargain with is your good name and the feeling of injustice about England lucking into this game. Unfortunately your reputation is pretty bad. I don't share any animosity towards you (it's just a game) but trusting you seems like a hell of a risk.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Funny!
13 you say? Nice joke!
Why not 2?
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: In my mind: rus, ita, ger all failed this game and in no position to offer opinions which are coming from failed countries. In order to be in France's place all of you guys will first need to learn how to play this game. It is extra harsh, but the gist. But when I saw 13, it made me laugh hard! Who is next: Turkey or England?
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Austria you literal fucking moron. If you don’t want anyone else jumping in then why don’t you just send this to France privately.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I’ll tell you and everyone why. You are actually a baby. You’re an infant baby who needs to scream and cry when you don’t get what you want, and needs to make sure that every single person who could possibly hear your outburst hears it. It’s a need for you. And it’s exactly how you blew this game. You wailed and flailed like a baby to every single player in this game.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: England, you will regret this:
"Austria you literal fucking moron." This is not acceptable and I will make sure there are consequences.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pcxwr
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Pistols at dawn?
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I love to make you laugh. But I'm just giving my frank assessment of what your reputation would require. Of course you're right that it is a ridiculous proposition (untrustworthy people cannot trust other people) but that is about as impossible as your "let's work together to make a two player draw" proposal is.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Austria I can guarantee you that I have a better ghost rating
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Russia - you are extremely narrow in your thought process. "13" - had nothing to do with "trust", it had to do with good risk assestement and risk/benefit ratio.
Italy - funny you mention it "guarantee", since I told you before that I just returned after 3y...I added you to the group just based on your comment. Yes, you know how to play. I'm happy for your ghost ranking.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: That's fine I just picked a number with a general idea behind it. That general idea is that no sensible player would willingly put themselves in a position where you could stab them since you have shown yourself to be completely untrustworthy. The risk/benefit ratio is bad:

*scenario 1: 3 player draw gain 233 diplomacy dollars; high chance of success
*scenario 2: fight for 2 player draw 350(ish) diplomacy dollars; low chance of success

Who would pick scenario 2? Obviously no one.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Can we all agree that we think Austria is a douche?
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Italy, what is your problem?
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I thought you are ok.
28 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Austria, the question to ask is not what is our problem. If we are all in agreement, then the question is what is *your* problem
29 Sep 17 UTC Last year before the game is drawn hype.
29 Sep 17 UTC This has been utterly unbelievable. I've never seen a player as childish as Austria.
29 Sep 17 UTC Yeah this guy is fucking unbelievable
29 Sep 17 UTC Oh I've see much worse. Their play has been very good. The recent behavior makes sense since it is the only way to get what they want is be obnoxious it makes total sense. It's a long shot but they also loose nothing.
29 Sep 17 UTC Except our affection... and that's worth nothing.
29 Sep 17 UTC I wrote to Italy and repeat here: the goal of the game in not to be liked by other6 players. Russia finaly gets it! I also asked Italy several years ago if he would draw and he replied "if I was in a good mood, I might". England's accusations did not provide foundation for good mood, so I did not draw then. Why dead people care when the game is done I have no idea.
France, you clearly have not seen many players.
29 Sep 17 UTC I once played with an Italy who for the whole game wrote everything in an exaggerated Italian accent. At first it was funny, then annoying and then infuriating (and brilliant) it totally pushed a player into making bad moves. I am reminded of Miyamoto Musashi's psycho out tricks in his duels.

And as so for why dead players care: we're all at the same poker table. Just because we're not in this hand doesn't mean we have no interest in how it finishes.
29 Sep 17 UTC Q I asked in not how, but when. Why do you care when
29 Sep 17 UTC Why do I care when...? These questions have no answers

29 Sep 17 UTC Finally...

Not sure if Austria drew the game or if the mods did. Whoever it was, thank you.
30 Sep 17 UTC I did
I had 1 more year
But it became too boring
30 Sep 17 UTC Finally. Good game folks. Not sure how to assuage my guilt about popping into the easiest 200 points out there in dipland, but at least it was fun?
30 Sep 17 UTC I wouldn't feel any guilt. It was dumb luck but if you haven't had showed up it could have been way worse... or maybe I'd be finishing this game.

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