Finished: 10 AM Tue 22 Aug 17 UTC
Mandragora Dream 11
1 day /phase
Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
07 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1902: Can't believe someone was adventurous enough to take over France!
07 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1902: God bless 'em.
09 Aug 17 UTC Spring, 1903: It's worth a try.
12 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Guys if you only intend to draw from the beginning give up Diplomacy and join an art class.
12 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ha!
12 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: you'd be surprised how demanding arts classes sometimes are.
12 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1904: I agree with you ,especially still life.:)
15 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: I probably should have made it as an anonymous match...
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: It would be much easier for you.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: One thing can be said for sure that you all learn fast how to lie, what in the context on this game is a compliment. It's actually hard to lose as Russia.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: I think that we have managed quite an unexpected offensive. You have made just one mistake in this game. Stopped responding about future to too many players.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: The offensive was very clearly marked by England when he changed his readied orders into saved after I spoke to him about attacking Germany. When two strong countries gang up against the other, there is no much you can do. Especially when an opportunist hops in.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: Well, I wouldn't exactly consider myself an opportunist. I put all this into motion with a message to Germany in 1903
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: On a personal level I'm sorry I stabbed you. You seem like a nice person. On a game level I have no regrets.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: Never bear regrets on any level in this game. I never understand why people playing it take things personally.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: Good advice.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: I agree knowing who to trust and the Diplomacy stage is a big part of the game. That's why I can't understand no press games. Even only global press is against the games original concept. People can still chat on global and even use to spread misinformation, but secret deals and negotiations are essential to a good game.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: True. Rulebook press is best option. And live games. But sometimes Gunboat is also fun, if you are playing with same people all the time.
Btw. I wonder why you have waited so long with attacking me. You had perfect oportunity while I was busy with France. And my moves gave you a lot of excuses to do so.
16 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1905: I did not have the resources to fight on two fronts.I hoped to beat Turkey before turning North.
17 Aug 17 UTC Spring, 1906: I think I could use the RMG - Random Moves Generator.
18 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: I understand that a draw, as it stands now, isn't a creature even from the realm of fantasy?
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Let's just lay all the cards out on the table since we've reached this point. The only way this game is going to end in a 3 way draw is if England is a fool or a paragon of virtue. Germany has left the West completely open. England can take everything West of the Ionian Sea anytime he chooses. Other than possibly St Petersburg I have no point at which to attack England. If England wants a solo all he has to do is take it. I don't think that Germany could do enough to hold him back.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: That's a clever attempt to get Germany to pull armies away from your border, but I don't think Germany will fall for it.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: All Germany needs to see the truth is the map and the ability to count.

1) Germany has 1 fleet in the Northern Seas. England has 4. England is only a couple of turns away from being able to convoy armies into any territory on the Northern Coast of Europe that he pleases. Even multiple armies in one turn. Nothing Germany can do about it. Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Paris, Kiel, Munich and Berlin. England needs 5 out of those 7 to solo.

2) England can kick me out of Naples in only a few turns, and there's not much I can do about it.
That brings his SC total to 17.

3) And finally, Marseille. England's 3 Mediterranean fleets will make short work of Germany's 0, and give England the solo win.



Germany, ask yourself what you would do in England's position, with an unguarded continental smorgasbord laid before you. This is a game, and what's more it's a game that's known for being cutthroat. England didn't seek out a relatively obscure strategy game known for being more cutthroat than any other because he wanted to make friends. He did it because he's here to win games.

Don't take my word for it, Germany. Look with your own eyes. How many moves before he could have an army in Belgium or Holland? Can you stop him from taking Marseille without losing Venice?
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Well Turkey, I have my eyes, that's why I am bringing 2 fleets right now. Just in case.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Germany I am predicting an English solo or a two way draw but you unfortunately do not figure in either. Your best hope for survival is to stop attacking Russia and let him defend himself.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: In fact if you were to cooperate with Russia in the Baltic you could tie up English fleets defending the Scandinavian countries.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: I, for one, am moved by this selfless outpouring of concern and unsolicited advice to Germany. For a group of countries who previously conspired to surround Germany, attack from all sides, and split up the pieces, I am glad you have all seen the light and now value Germany's membership in the league nations as I have from the outset. It is always good to see new converts to the cause.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: I might as well announce it publicly: my plan is for a two way draw. England and Germany together until the end. That has been my plan ever since I advised Germany of your plans to make it the next target and suggested a double-cross.

I don't speak for Germany of course, but those are my intentions.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Everyone makes his own decisions; some are wise and some less, sometimes it is difficult to see the reasons, sometimes they're obvious. England has spelt out his reasons for not being reasonable, or at lest for not being game-specifically reasonable. If I were England now, I would go for a solo - the worst can happen is a draw. If I were Germany in a few turns now, I would agree to a two-way draw, and go for a solo - the worst can happen is the two-way draw. These would be my game-specific reasons. By as stated at the beginning, everyone has his own reasons.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Italy would like to put the record straight. I do not recollect attacking Germany at any stage in this game. Turkey it would appear from the outpouring of intentions you do not figure in the final line up. My advice to you is the same as Germany , seek your salvation by an alliance with Russia and make the Anglo Germany soloists or alliance fight for there victory.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Spring 1903 (TURKEY): After Italy is struck with the hammer, how should we proceed? 3 way against Russia? Russia seems to be the most powerful on the board right now, and you, Germany and I will all have a front from which to attack.

Wed 9 Aug Spring, 1903 (ENGLAND): I'm more for Russia's plan of having you, England, and Russia collapse on Germany.

Just waiting on Italy to fall so we can coordinate the stab of Germany.

Wed 9 Aug Spring, 1903 (Turkey): I'd be okay with that too, Russia has shown himself to be trustworthy.

Fri 11 Aug Spring, 1904 (ENGLAND): Are you going to be moving against Italy this round? I'm trying to get my fleets into the Mediterranean to aid in the attack, but it will take a bit to get into position.

At any rate, if you are moving now, then my moves will certainly give Italy something else to worry about.


Sat 12 Aug Spring, 1904 (ENGLAND): FYI - I'm keeping up the pretenses of an alliance with Germany until we are all ready to move against it. I'll wait for the signal from you and Russia, and we can coordinate our turn on Germany for maximum impact.


Judge for yourself whether England can be trusted. He's here to win this game.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: I am making a judgement. And yes, England can be trusted, as I knew about these plans much before. It was just misdirection, and I also was warned about it. If he wants solo, which I doubt I am open to do anything required to stop him. But right now I just want to see if the 3 of us can destroy Russia in one year.
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: One year is what I'm giving myself. No more stronk Russian vodka!
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Co to me to Silesia. I have plenty of frozen Vodka in my fridge :)
19 Aug 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Congrats on your solo win, England.
19 Aug 17 UTC Spring, 1907: Quick split and draw? Or we need another 2-3 days?
20 Aug 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I would opt for a draw ;-)
20 Aug 17 UTC Spring, 1907: So much for a 3-way draw. So much for the draw in general, I guess ;-)
20 Aug 17 UTC Why so?I still believe it is last turn. Unless there is draw after it I will join the weaker one :)
20 Aug 17 UTC Hell, if England is voting draw NOW, so am I !
20 Aug 17 UTC Be a bro and click draw lol
20 Aug 17 UTC Let's call it my tribute to you Russia for never giving up!
20 Aug 17 UTC If I ever have children, I will name them after you, generous and merciful, gracious and honourable, kind and divine, German, England, and Turkey!
20 Aug 17 UTC I've cast the deciding vote to draw this game.

England was true to his word even in the face of my pot stirring, and I feel that should be honored with my draw vote. If I were in England's position there would be no draw vote. Good game England.

Germany, you were loyal to England even in times of doubt, but you didn't neglect to protect yourself when necessary. Trust but verify. I would be cheating you out of the fruits of your efforts to secure a draw if I didn't accept the vote. Good game Germany.

Russia, I could have waited a few turns and eliminated you completely, but I felt your play and sage advice had earned you a low scoring draw instead of a defeat. I feel like I am a better player for having played with you. Thank you, good game Russia.

Italy and France, we didn't have much to talk about in this game, but I enjoyed playing with you as well. Good game.

Austria, you'll get much further in the next game if you respond to messages. Good luck.
20 Aug 17 UTC Play again soon I hope . Maybe anonymous game.
20 Aug 17 UTC That was truly a special match, from my perspective. I can't recall any game where I faced defeat in the course of just a couple of turns. The Anglo-Germanic alliance was remarkably rock solid despite all that propaganda launched by Turkey and myself. You've orchestrated an offensive that no power would be able to withstand. In fact, to be honest, I am not clear as to the reasons why you both have decided to draw. If you'd continued in the same manner you would definitely have defeated isolated Turkey. 2-way draws are difficult to achieve mainly due to balancing issues but not impossible, and you with your alliance certainly were good material for an attempt. I must say I haven't spotted one single tactical error on your part. This remark is relevant to Turkey as well. You three are solid players, and it truly was a pleasure to cross swords with you.
21 Aug 17 UTC Really good game guys. My special thanks to England, who showed up in very first turns that he is mature and reliable player. Once trust was set up he was the one to decide either to crash me with all of you, or warn me and see current state.

And the reason to draw. I am old-date rusty Diplomacy player. Started like 15 years ago, only life games, and now getting back to it after few years. Just web games. Playing only for fun, and once we all agreed what's the situation and how it will develop there was no sense for me to carry on. Especially as I have ordered this turn Ven-Rom :)
21 Aug 17 UTC Thanks for the kind words, Russia.

Since there has been a good bit of discussion about the wisdom of a draw, I thought I would just add my 2 cents. Back when Russia first approached me about ganging up on Germany, Russia had more supply centers than any other player and appeared to have a solid alliance with Turkey. If I had joined them in an attack on Germany, there is little doubt we would have destroyed Germany, but then I would have been left alone on the board with a juggernaut. So, I decided an alliance with Germany was preferable. As a bonus, the idea of England-Germany squaring off against a juggernaut seemed fun.

At the time, there were no guarantees our stab of Russia would be successful, and I did not have any idea Turkey would join in on the assault of Russia. I knew that to have any chance, Germany and England would have to trust each other and act in a highly coordinated way. I felt the only way to obtain the necessary level of trust with Germany was to propose a 2-way draw and an alliance until the very end of the game. Perhaps this promise was not necessary, but at the time I believed it was.

Obviously, I am not above deception. But if I promise a player that I will be an ally until the end of the game (which I rarely do), then I feel compelled to follow through on that promise. So, I hope that explains my loyalty to Germany.

We certainly could have carried on the assault for a few more rounds to eliminate Russia. But like Germany, when the end result of a game seems clear to everyone, and I'm not going for a solo, I don't have any objection to calling a draw early.
21 Aug 17 UTC Also, good game everyone. I hope to square off with each of you again soon.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

England
sideroxylon1 (1090 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 54 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Germany
Qacper (1122 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 45 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Turkey
Chancepoleon (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 36 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Russia
Szpoti (1766 D Mod)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 8 D
4 supply-centers, 3 units
Austria
Danfol1890 (124 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
France
ktb2357 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Italy
Nodnyl (81 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
maxitaxi123 (75 D)France (Autumn, 1902) with 2 centres.
Archive: Orders - Maps - Messages