Finished: 01 AM Mon 19 Dec 16 UTC
Private World Cup Group B Public Press-2
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1910, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Unranked
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
08 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1908: Finally a French move against the German! I've been waiting all game long.

France, I'm behind you 100 % as you go for the solo. I understand that you'll have to play along with the Turkish and German suggestions for appearances but I'll help you out any way I can. <3
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: We can force the 3wD next year if the F/G/T continues to work together. If France had not violated our DMZ we could have done it this year. :(

1. France, vacate NTH and take Lon. This finishes E and gets us down to 4.

2. Turkey, take Vie and build a fleet. This eliminates the last Russian center on the continent and gets you some much needed naval strength in the Med. If France continues attacking we can see if there are any other swing centers on either of our sides to attack France's weaker front. We are on both sides.

3. I will support France into Edi in the spring which will finish Russia and we can draw after that.

We are all strong enough to where throwing a solo is a legitimate threat. We are also weak enough that none of us has a realistic shot at a solo without help. Let's end this game, get our teams some points, and move on to the next round.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Germany, again I would like to apologize. The nuances of public press make moves like your southern front army builds and positioning take on a very threatening tone. I could indeed have confronted you about them, but then I would be forced to play a different mind game where a strong defensive move like the one I just made would actually be viewed even more aggresively than the manner in which I made it. I chose not to handcuff myself into a weaker defensive play but I also intentionally kept myself in a place I could safely walk back all my moves if I was wrong. My fears that one of you actually needed a 2WD or solo to advance are now much more allayed.

I agree to your request to pull out of Ruhr and North Sea as that is beyond reasonable. Let's wrap this up and be on to the next games.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turkey, happy to bounce you in Naples if that is your desire.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turkey is on board. Let's wrap this up.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: France I understand your position. If you pull back there is no problem. Maybe when this is all done you can tell me what set of moves you were worried about. I absolutely would have tried for a solo if I saw one, I just didn't see any possible way once you and Turkey avoided conflict in the Med. Good call on both of your parts BTW.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: At the rate this is going, this game could just go on for years. Why don't we call it a draw?
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Bravo on your moves Russia. You are a true pain in the ass. Well played.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Two way draw Turkey/Germany gogogogogo
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Germany, were those moves satisfactory to convince you I have no intention of trying to solo?
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Yes France. Thanks for the show of good faith. I hope you see my moves were defensive as well. Let's finish this thing.

Austria the G/T would be fun, but I don't have position for that and cannot build the fleet in Kiel that I would need. This was intentional. I am ready to finish this game with the 3wD.
12 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Germany, the defensive moves and the absence of fleet Kiel are noted. I hope my non build moves are also noted. Could I request no fleet build Berlin as a further indicator from you? We should be able to wrap this up quite simply this year.
12 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Is that a promise? If I'm still around by the end of the year, it's a four-way?
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: I'm very excited to find out who everyone is. While I'm sure some of you have figured out who is who, I have no idea.
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: my momma don't like you and she likes everyone
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: i only know who the dipshit italian is
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Turkey, do you want a bounce in Naples again?
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: And Germany, can we bounce in burgundy please?
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Thanks for the army build btw.
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Np on the army. I want to end this game. Am I bouncing with Pic? If so I am ok with that bounce. I will leave Ruh empty if we can clear Bur again.
12 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Yes, France, let us bounce in Naples.
13 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Germany, is there any other bounce that can happen in burgundy?

Copy that turkey, thanks for confirming.
13 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: @France just making sure it was a bounce to keep it empty, not bouncing with the unit already *in* Bur. Thanks for the confirmation. I look forward to finishing this game with you and Turkey.
13 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Bounce (not block) in Burgundy confirmed.
13 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: This could be that magic moment.
13 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Another Nap bounce.
14 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Looking good all. I will support France into Edi and that should do it.
14 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: I assume Clyde will be your moover?
14 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Yes please Clyde for the mooove.
Copy the bounce Turkey.
15 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Explanation Germany?
15 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Absolutely. I plan for this to be th last turn. I was just trying to guard against shenanigans in case you decided you wanted to keep playing. I will be voting for the draw as soon as Russia is eliminated and it is down to the three of us.
15 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: EC looks far more like shenanigans of your own than guard. If this is the last turn for you, care to throw up a draw vote early that turkey and I will match once Russia leaves us?
15 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sure
15 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Turkey gains more than I do if we do not draw.
16 Dec 16 UTC Good game Russia and England. Can't wait for the end game commentary... which hopefully will be very soon. I have done my part and turned on the draw. Let's end this game guys.
16 Dec 16 UTC It greatly pains me to draw after the FP1 solo by team Chicago, but I just don't see a way through this if both of you draw. I thought one of you needed a solo to have a shot.
16 Dec 16 UTC I did, but I didn't think I could make it.
16 Dec 16 UTC Would you have take a 2WD offer?
16 Dec 16 UTC And risk giving you the solo???
Yeah, I probably would have.
16 Dec 16 UTC I'm reading all the old press. DO, a pleasure to play with you again. I notice all your claims that Russia would eat Germany and I didn't happen, though. I admit I'm terrible at reading the board, but I always enjoy seeing that others that think they can see the future can be wrong. It makes me feel better about never being able to see the future at all. :)
16 Dec 16 UTC Huh, I just said things - not a lot of thought was put into them. I'm sad this game ended up this way. Austria is, by far, my weakest country - and I clearly don't have the public press skills to woo any of you! Ah well.
17 Dec 16 UTC I did not convince anybody of anything this game. I couldn't even convince Russia to be an equal partner in a juggernaut
17 Dec 16 UTC Well, then I simply was not popular enough to be in the in-group :p
17 Dec 16 UTC Thanks for the draw guys. I gotta admit, I felt like I was hanging onto a ledge by just a fingerhold most of this game. That isn't unusual for me when I play Germany, but Italy's opening really amplified that feeling. I do think if France and Turkey had wanted to they could have finished me off quickly. That was the main reason I moved aggressively there at the end. I wanted to make it clear that if France did not accept the draw Turkey was going to be able to solo this game. I was a little worried that this might encourage Turkey to *not* accept the draw though and turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy. I was thrilled to see Turkey turn on his draw vote. I don't think he solos without help, but he had a shot if it looked like France and I couldn't work together.

Russia, I loved playing with you. I hope we are able to do so again some sometime. I agonized about the turn I decided to stab. I actually put in the order with less than 5 minutes on the clock. I think that decision kept me in the game. Without getting two off you that turn it's probably you in the draw instead of me.

England: I recently played a game where I was ganged up on as Austria and another player said "sometimes you are the fire hydrant". That was you this game. You did nothing wrong, I just had willing allies and it didn't make sense to change a good thing once we got going.

Turkey: We didn't interact directly that much but you did a great job cleaning things up in the east. I am a fan of the G/T in the mid-game and feel we made it work to both of our benefits. Congrats on the board top!

Austria: You and I had the bad luck of neighboring a player with odd Italian play. I was able to recover and you were not. I don't think there was a ton different you could have done. It's just a tough spot to be in with that sort of play from the Italian.

France: You were a fantastic ally. I admired your patient play and you earned my respect when you saved Liverpool on a year you could force it because it meant I had to give you Belgium to keep Turkey from breaking through the med. That was some great high level play. I'd ally with you again in a heartbeat and hope you feel the same.

Italy: I respect the willingness to try something new, but sometimes new is not done very often because it is a bad decision. I don't think Public Press is the place to try that style of play. Gunboat or Standard Press sure, but in public people can coordinate enough to make the chaos less effective.

This was my first public press game and I really enjoyed it. Thanks for playing all!
17 Dec 16 UTC Honestly, I was kind of waiting to see whether Germany or Turkey turned on me first. The fact that it happened on the same turn was what did me in. If neither had stabbed, I was actually planning to go over the top to France (which in fairness, would have probably led to an attack on Germany at some point).

As for England and Austria, you were both just sort of there and available. It wasn't anything you did.
17 Dec 16 UTC Hilariously, England and Italy progress to the next round.
17 Dec 16 UTC I think I opened too aggressive. I was hoping for an EF alliance but France clearly wasn't interested. Being public press, it was difficult to backtrack. Fortunately for me, my teammate managed to squeeze out a solo and I have the luxury to try again…

Interestering to try public press only (first time in a long time for me), will definitely make adjustments in future games and not be in such a rush finding an ally.
17 Dec 16 UTC Even in full press games, I tend to delay deciding on an attack in the first year.
17 Dec 16 UTC Depends on the country for me and how the press with my neighbours goes. Anyway, if some of you ever want to play a game again (fp, this time) I'd love a rematch. Let me know.
18 Dec 16 UTC Definitely down for a rematch.

England, I feel I owe you some explanation. I chose early on to court Germany over you, (I can't exactly remember the all the reasons now, but I do tend that way usually because France generally fares better in a stab from a German ally than from an English one.) Much of the decision was nothing more than a survival calculation on my part. I toyed with the idea of bringing you back once Russia started getting stronger and moving on Germany with your help, but Italy was too skilled with his retreats for me to also kick off a stab of Germany then. Would have been interesting to see how the game had turned out with different play from Italy. I don't think I would have fared as well as I did.

I wish you luck in the next round!

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Turkey
Deinodon (379 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
France
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Germany
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
England
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
giorgio. (3634 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
Durga (3609 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Zybodia (355 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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