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Finished: 06 PM Sat 22 Oct 16 UTC
Ready, Aim ...
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 280 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Dude, I am sorry you are taking this so personal, but how you suggested a four-way-draw that includes you and the three of us, how would that help us, why would we give you part of the pot? It would have looked different if you proposed to either Russia or me to help us attack the respective other, make us think we could go for the solo. But in lieu of that you offered us a 4way-draw instead of a 3way-draw. What would be our motivation to agree to that?
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Honestly Turkey, I don't know why you even bothered trying to get me in on your little plan. I'm on the other side of the map. I'm at least two turns away from even denting Russia's SCs. Not to mention that England has this little problem where if you take St. Petersburg with a fleet, it's over. You're not going anywhere else. Diplomacy is indeed about being cunning and sly. Which is why you should not start wars you stand to gain very little out of.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Maybe I played too delicately. Maybe I overestimated how tightly you three were bonded. This is most likely why I did not suggest Italy to attack Russia and Russia to attack Italy. England, in the Spring, you could have convoyed Lon to Nwy and forced Swe with Ska. Don't tell me that you couldn't have taken St.P with an army.

The point is, if you three are so cozy that you take my advice and suggestions with a grain of salt, then you shouldn't waste my time.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: So essentially, I should have moved my only land presence over to Northern Russia. And left France and Germany to stagnate while Russia and Italy would continue to grow. What kind of strategy do you call that?
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Regarding: wasting your time

I am sorry if you felt that way. I know coming into a started game is a gamble. This particular time you walked into a pretty well cemented triumvirate. There was no way to know that looking at the map but this game was over a long time ago just so long as we are all okay with the three way tie which I know I am and am betting the others are too.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Russia, you're a good friend. You've been kind and true to me. Thanks for that.

England, you've wasted enough of my time. You aren't even worth the throne of ignorance you sit upon. I'm done with you.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: I think you are little too kind. I mean I am taking 2/3 of your SCs and will take the third as soon as I am able. And I think the English player has done pretty well for himself.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: I somehow managed to spend the entire game without being turned upon or manipulated. I think that's a pretty fair achievement in a game of deceit.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: I actually don't think Diplomacy as a game of deceit but rather a training ground of cooperation. The classic stab is forced by solo win mechanics but once you reward draw wins it is actually cost effective be to play for the two-three player end game. The solo win (and its requisite stab) because the goal of lesser players.
02 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: After the first year there is generally no need for successful allies to stab... lol just so long as you always CYB.
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm baffled by all of this
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Honestly I was too.
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Alright, alright. I admit, I overreacted. I apologize for my crudeness, England. I set my hopes too high on a bleak game. It's on me. So, if I was to enter into another game in-progress, what advice would you give?
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: I wouldn't give any advice. Joining games where you're in a bad position are always gambles. Which is what makes winning them so impressive.
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: I honestly want to know because I did everything I could to help myself out. Is there something I should look for, is there something I should do differently?
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Germany- The new player came into to replace the previous (crappy) Turkish player. The new player made a strong pitch to try to get some allies. I can't speak for the other players but I was very impressed by the well constructed argument. However the one weakness which they couldn't account for was that the existing alliances were already cemented.

Turkey- I think you did everything exactly right but came into an impossible situation. I admire the ghusto of player who pick up abandoned countries. It is a real challenge diplomatically and only the most boss players do it. I bet you do really well when you come into a game.
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Thanks for your words, Russia. No hard feelings to anyone. It's all a learning process.
03 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1904: Russia - believe me, I know. He did try, but it was too far gone at the moment of joining
08 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Bye everyone. GG.
08 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: GG thanks for coming in hope we can play again
09 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: The game is just in wrap up mode so I am going to talk public.

I don't think you need me to make any moves and so am just shifting around to paint squares purple. If either if you want support by moving to Ruhr or Bur let me know but I am thinking we can clear the map by the end of the year.
09 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: No need to clear the map ...
09 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Don't worry Germany, Cyprus will always be free.
09 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: crete that is
09 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: yea, lets paint this map green-pink-purple hehe
09 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Bullies ... I'm telling Hillary
11 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Italy you can have Boh. I will paint Ruhr
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Right so I will support England to Brest and we're done here!
14 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: heckuva job!
14 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: The sad thing about moral weakness is that is also a weakness of intelligence and strength too. I have nothing but unified front against you with nothing better to do. England is perfectly strong.

The only hard part about beating you is that we might get bored doing it.
14 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Shame we spent so many units bouncing instead of taking empty territories.
14 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: guys dont take it too personal haha, I just thought it would be more fun to try to play it out. Probably it will be a draw next year anyway, just doing what the game wants you to do :)
14 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: Not taking it personally; so let's see how it goes... though I can't imagine it going well for you.
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: I knew that I would have very very little chance of this succeeding, but as Turkey has pointed out, the point of this game is to try.
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: I guess we know who to blame (^:
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: I disagree with Turkey. I find the challenges of cooperative end games much more fulfilling (and profitable) than the solo victory. Ultimately of course living in an absurd universe and playing an absurd game we must discover meaning rather accept what "the rules for the box say." I can accept a person with the will to win on their own (and let be showing them the weakness of their solipsism) but at least own it for your own. Don't blame Turkey or the structure of the game, say and do what you think is valuable.
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: Whoa, whoa, don't drag me into this. All I said was "Nice work, but do you REALLY have a shot at a solo?"

Come on guys, don't think I'm still invested in trying to influence this game. I'm not mad about the result, either.
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: I don't blame Turkey and appreciate times where my strategy is tested. I think this one will go well. I strengthened England earlier so they can help me and defended my borders. And while I never was suspicious I also was always safe. The only question mark is if England will be okay with accepting Italy's draw once they realize they can't get the solo. I am prejudiced to forgive but above that honor my partner's feelings of justice. Completely destroying Italy will be a lot of work but if England feels betrayed I will do it.
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: guess I'll get some popcorn and watch
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: I don't mind drawing, besides, if I want to completely wipe out Italy, it's possible you'll want to go for the solo next, and we'll be here until I somehow get a solo (^:
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: Let's draw next spring!
15 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1907: I know what you mean about worrying that I might go for the solo. I know I won't but all you have is my word. And really it isn't necessary to destroy Italy. I don't think Italy was doing anything unnatural; it was knowing it was a possibility is the whole reason I worked so hard to get a third ally.

Italy you'll need to support England into Belgium if you want to draw next Spring.
17 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1907: ....interesting.
17 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1907: fucking hell
18 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1907: Since you were just going to draw it doesn't matter. I'm not going for the solo so it's fine. It'll just take a minute to get rid of France.
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: I kept aggressive in case Italy reconsiders their draw pledge but once France is gone am happy to draw.
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Agreed.
21 Oct 16 UTC GG
21 Oct 16 UTC Good game, thanks guys :)
21 Oct 16 UTC Agreed

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