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Finished: 05 AM Sat 19 Mar 16 UTC
AncWar01
2 days /phase
Pot: 50 D - Autumn, 9, Finished
The Ancient Mediterranean, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
05 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 5: Yes. I thought it was quite a clever idea.
05 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 5: Yeah, see, the problem is, is that I want to solo. And that idea doesn't allow for that...
05 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 5: True, but I don't think you have any chance of a solo. You need 8 more SCs. That makes sense. You will take forever to take my SCs by which time Rome will have won. Even capturing all my SCs you would barely have enough. And Rome is likely to capture or be given a few of them first. You had to attack Rome instead of me to have a chance at soloing. At this point your only chance of soloing is attacking Rome. If we look at the board we see that Rome has 3 to 5 ships depending on their wishes to your 1 in the west. They can easily defend against you while also invading Greece and possibly take some of your North Africa SCs. Your only choice would be to remove your ships from my front which would take forever, probably still ending in Roman victory. The only path forwards is to completely end your war with me and withdraw pretty much completely from my border and, given Greece's position, to try to recruit me to hold back rome for long enough for you to get in position. However, while I might be persuaded to help you for less, currently my price for preventing Roman victory is a draw.
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Egypt, can you help me take aegean sea?
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Egypt, have you yet accepted that you solo is practically impossible. If so, may we end this war between us and turn to face the roman threat.
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: If we delay for too much longer there won't be anything either of us can do to prevent it.
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: All right fine.
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: I'll back down.
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: But you have to defend Chersonesus
07 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: My fleets will leave your coasts, but I'm keeping Cyprus and crete
08 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Very well. That is an acceptable agreement for me
08 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: This will also involve Minoan Sea and crete helping Greece maintain a defensive wall.
08 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Agreed. If we can hold anatolia and the sea we are good to go.
08 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 6: We should lure Rome's Greek mercenaries to the town of Manzikurt, and defeat them once and for all!
08 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: So it's me against 3? If so good luck everyone.
08 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: Well, you are welcome to tap out but yes.
08 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: Interesting battle by the way Egypt. I am not too familiar with Byzantium history.
08 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: I think it's fascinating. Not just the Turkish victory, but for how long it took in coming. I mean, the Turks should have crushed the Byzantines much earlier. It just goes to show how good fighters Greeks are.
08 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: What else is really interesting is how focused(at least the basic sources) are on Byzantium. I mostly just read the wikipedia article but everything in the wikipedia article is written as a Byzantium history. According to wikipedia the Turks really didn't care about the Byzantines as much as Egypt so they mostly were ok with just maintaining peace.
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: That's not necessarily true, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Muslims had made many attempts to expand into Europe, but were stopped at the battle of Tours in France, and the Byzantine power in Turkey and Greece.
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: Then the Seljuk Turks replaced the Abbasid Caliphate as leaders of the Muslim world, but Egypt and N Africa had their own caliphate, the Fatimid Caliphate.
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: So, I think the Turks had some trouble asserting their control.
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: Is that sort of what the article said?
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: The article, in the background section especially, had practically no information on what the turks were thinking, planning, or attempting. I was paraphrasing and I think you are capturing the thought well though. Wikipedia says "Despite his success Alp Arslan was quick to seek a peace treaty with the Byzantines, signed in 1069; he saw the Fatimids in Egypt as his main enemy and had no desire to be diverted by unnecessary hostilities.[5]"
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: That's interesting, because the battle was fought in 1071... and led to the Turk expansion to the very doors of Constantinople.
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: "In February 1071, Romanos sent envoys to Alp Arslan to renew the 1069 treaty, and keen to secure his northern flank against attack, Alp Arslan happily agreed.[5] Abandoning the siege of Edessa, he immediately led his army to attack Fatimid-held Aleppo. However, the peace treaty had been a deliberate distraction: Romanos now led a large army into Armenia to recover the lost fortresses before the Seljuks had time to respond.[5]"---According to wikipedia
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: hmm. Interesting. I didn't know about that treaty bit.
09 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 7: Well, anyway, back to killing Rome, Yes?
09 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: Yes.
09 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: I am definitely going to be able to set up a defensive position in the north. You need to prevent too much of the south from falling though.
09 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: yeah, it will be a close one over Carthage...
10 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: We can afford a few temporary losses though. But we do need to stop him completely by early next year
10 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: We can loose nothing more to Rome. Greece, hold on to that navy in Aegean and you have my support into miletus
10 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: lose*
10 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: I'll keep F Aegean.
11 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 7: Awesome. I have two navies ready to support you.
12 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 8: Persia, where do you want support too/hold?
12 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 8: can you support me to aegean?
12 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 8: Yes.
12 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 8: Good job in Sar, Egypt.
16 Mar 16 UTC Good job guys!! I really enjoyed the battle that we had but unfortunately i have to quit..i'm looking forward for another battle with you, especially egypt!
16 Mar 16 UTC Good game.
16 Mar 16 UTC I feel very fortunate that you have included me. I am also looking forward to another game with any of you.
16 Mar 16 UTC Thanks Rome! The feeling is mutual.
16 Mar 16 UTC Also Persia, sorry for being stubborn and almost throwing the game by attacking you.
16 Mar 16 UTC Honestly it wasn't that poor decision on your part. I played it up as being a bad decision but it wasn't unreasonable. I understand your position and moves entirely. Many, if not most, people would have continued attacking me instead of stopping rome. Also your attack on me was one of the best tactical, if not(in my opinion) strategical, operations I have seen
16 Mar 16 UTC Thanks! It was well defended. I had not realized how hard it was to attack Persia from Egypt. Usually I'm going to other way, which is much easier.
17 Mar 16 UTC Yeah. I found out a while ago that Persia almost never has to lose a war to Egypt. Sometimes a sneak attack works. I will try more boats next time I am egypt against persia. It really was quite effective at making me feel pressure, if too time-consuming for the specific match
17 Mar 16 UTC yeah, and I have never seen Egypt defend against a Persian attack, without Greece interfering or something.
17 Mar 16 UTC I think that bottleneck works on both side. I really think Persia and Egypt are almost forced into a NAP at least until one side can stab effectively or obtain an ally in greece, carthage or rome.

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Rome
BlackPitt (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 13 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Egypt
Halls of Mandos (1139 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 13 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Persia
SamH (148 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 13 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Greece
The Beev (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 13 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Carthage
dscm123 (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
Nolen (100 D)Carthage (Autumn, 3) with 1 centres.
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