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Finished: 05 PM Sun 08 Nov 15 UTC
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1 day /phase
Pot: 74 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
15 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck everyone. :)
15 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Likewise
15 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Indeed, good luck all
16 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Good luck all!
21 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: We should run a superconvoy from Edinburgh to Constantinople or something.
22 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: That would be lovely if Turkey felt like attacking himself for the sake of its coolness lol
22 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Too bad there isn't something in Barents, you could do St. Pete to Con the long way around.
22 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: It was so wild when i looked at the options for my moves haha
22 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Lol, your Edinburgh has what, 18 move options?
22 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Though it loses to Bulgaria with 23.
22 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1904: One of the best stabs I've seen on webdip, well played Turkey.
06 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1909: Let's ready this one up, Turkey is almost out.
06 Nov 15 UTC This fucking German. Change your name to "hypocrite" please.
06 Nov 15 UTC Yeah right. Cause I was the one asking you for a 3-way.
I was the one who kept on saying "yes I thrust you", but you kept on building more and more armies. You've been fooling around whole game. Italy was out 1 year. How long did it take for him to reclaim Tunis? One move. You've kept this game going and going cause you didn't thrust me or England. Now you complain about me getting enough of your lack of thrust and actually doing what you've indirectly been signaling all along.

I've never claimed that this couldn't end in a solo. In fact I claimed it all along. There was a reason I wanted Turkey in the draw. Not to mention he played far better then you all game.

If you'd rather play without press, go GB it.
06 Nov 15 UTC I didn't trust you or England? That's why I allowed, even invited England to surround Spain, Portugal, and Marseilles with fleets? That's why I NEVER once supported myself into Burgundy or even remotely moved my troops in your direction? That's why I retreated from Tyrolia immediately after supporting myself in to force Italy to disband? Don't place your countless webdip insecurities on me just because you were planning a stab and wanting to blame it on my or our incompetence. Both of us trusted you throughout and went along with every request. You are the only person here who didn't "trust."
06 Nov 15 UTC Either we keep this global or we do it in the private. It's simply waste of time replying to you both places.
07 Nov 15 UTC At least in global it gives others a window into your bullshit.
07 Nov 15 UTC "Sorry if I'm a bit to focus on power balance, but I have just experienced to many games where a strong alliance fails right in the end because of a solo attempt." Your words, November 1st. We were so incredibly close to finishing this game with the 3 of us and you decided to stab when NOBODY was planning on stabbing you. All my recent conversations with England was trying to figure out the division of Turkey.
07 Nov 15 UTC You to me in private, shows why you build armies. Was to protect yourself. For the whole period of the game you've been building to defend first and then attacking second. Had you've built more fleets from the start this game would be over already. Instead England had to come to help you cause you were able to do anything cause you build to many armies to defend yourself against me. Your private texts shows this:
"You also forget that I had England circling around me to get to Turkey and my fleets wouldn't have had anywhere to go and armies can move through my lines for defense much more quickly. "

And as I've stated in private, I wasn't forcing you for a 3-way draw after you made alliances with Turkey. You made me break that alliance, even thou you said you'd potentially be ok with him in a draw. It was only you lacking. Turkey showed himself capable of playing good whole game. You have made countless mistakes. Had Turkey not stabbed Austria you would have been the first to fall. No appreciation shown Turkey what so ever. Now you cry over me using all your mistakes to claim those lands I've been telling all along that I wanted when you forced me to stab Turkey. But not to argue with you I will simply post past messages:

"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1904: Would you be interested in, that we let Turkey get the rest of I+A SC's?
That way, he should be so strong, that none of us other 3 would even consider a stab since it would mean Turkey would be able to solo."

"(To: You, from France) - Autumn, 1904: ....I dunno, that seems like a big compromise in his favor. Especially since he leads already. We can pretty easily overwhelm him for a 3 way draw between us, why don't we do that?"

"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1904: Well, I don't really have a good reason for not doing that. I'm only trying to secure my place in the draw, and that suggestion would either secure it or prompt your question.

But I have often been told that I'm not to greedy in diplomacy.

If you and England both want a smaller draw on Turkeys expense, I will follow your demand."

"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1904: Plus, right now I know how we would have a 4-way draw stalemate line. I do not know how we'll be able to secure such one if we go for the 3-way. How do we make sure that one of us don't get in a position to solo."

"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1905: Either tapping it or supporting you into Venice.

Btw, I'm still concerned about how we devide the map in such a way that none of us is able to solo. Is the idea simply that you get Italy, I take the Balkans and England takes Anatolia?"

"(To: You, from France) - Autumn, 1905: That's fine by me. I'm not in a position to stab anyone. I'm more worried about you guys turning on me at this point."

"(To: England, from you) - Spring, 1906: OK. I might should have noticed you about it, but you seemed to thrust me enough to let me build anything.
Which makes sense as I'm in no position to actually gain anything other then certain doom if I stabbed you.

I considered building an army at Munich, but France have seemed to be to nervous about such a build, that it just didn't make sense to jeopardize the alliance for it. This way France should feel comfy enough that none of you or me is in any position to stab him since we will balance each other out instead.

I've written the move to France also so he is notified."

"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1906: Wow, that went really great.

May I ask, what you plan on using your 3 builds for? I'd appreciate if some of it went on fleets.

I'd suggest that we each build 1 army, you in Paris and me in Munich - then we can bounce in Burgundy if there isn't need for the armies elsewhere.
"(To: You, from France) - Autumn, 1906: I put a fleet in Marseilles and the other two armies. I just plan on moving one of the armies into Italy and we can do the bounce in burgundy after that."
"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1906: Ok"
"(To: France, from you) - Autumn, 1906: Why so many armies in Italy?"

Oh so many times I've tried to get you to talk about how to divide the map in a good way. Oh so many times I've pointed out that a solo is possible if the balance isn't secured.
I even pointed out that I only attempts on solo when someone fucks up. Well someone did fuck up. You did.
07 Nov 15 UTC My "fuck up" was telling you every little thing I was doing. My "fuck up" was trusting you. Good lesson.

You're basing this WHOLE GOD DAMN STAB on me building an army just because I have nothing better to do with my builds. You insist that I have some sinister intention with my builds when really I just don't care what I do with my builds right now because they won't be productive for the 3 way draw anyway. Then you pretend that you've been all about this power balance and that we somehow forced you to turn on Turkey. If you really didn't want to push Turkey out, all you had to do was say so. My concern with giving Turkey all of Italy and Austria is that he wouldn't need to do much to get a solo when we all would have had less than 10 SCs each. That was hardly a far fetched concern. You've apparently played so much webdip that you perceive any potential stab as a stab and act accordingly. Is it really so hard to believe that I just wanted to use a build for the sake of using a build?
07 Nov 15 UTC Read the chat. Your fuck up is not whether you thrust or not, it's when you do, and when you don't. You've expressed fear of me all game. Now you can thank yourself for your fear becoming reality. My draw vote is up. I'm happy to share with a good player like Turkey and I'm happy to force you to admit him in the draw.

I've been telling you all game to keep the power balance in mind. You've never really listened.

If you don't care what you build, than why do you build it? I'd be happy to build a fleet and we'll fend each other off at seas rather then on land. You didn't want that - if the reason is that you are careless, maybe you should change your way to fooltommerycarelessly, so you both have your foolishness and your carelessness in your name.

You can read the chat on the Turkey part. That's not me acting, that's written fact. I said that I didn't want it, but if you guys demanded it I wouldn't stand in your way. Well, you clearly did demand it letting me choose between being left out somehow or just go with it. And, no he wouldn't need to do much, if he was playing against bad players. But every good player should know how to be able to make the St. P.->MAO stalemateline against Turkey. It's simple and easy. And we even had a long headstart. You keep arguing only on your own state of thought right now. Go find text that can exclusive tell you I'm the bad guy here.

If you build a army, just for the sake of it even thou your ally ask why and ask you not to - then you are foolish. I'm not the one who is mad about something gone wrong here, you are. So what you're really mad about, is that I've told you all the things you've needed all along, and yet your foolishness got the best of you, FOOLtommery.

Now, go find some messages that shows I'm the big bad wolf here or submit to your defeat in this debate.

I'm still up for a draw. I've written this to Turkey. I'm gonna write it to England. I'm heading for bed now - just so you know, I won't answer you, not out of spite or something else, but simply because I'm sleeping.

I won't have much time to write during this weekend, as I'm finishing my Master Thesis, so you'll have good time to cave on the draw.
07 Nov 15 UTC Can we just draw?
07 Nov 15 UTC You can have the draw, but you will never be able to convince me that this was about anything other than your BS this entire game Germany.
07 Nov 15 UTC I don't need to convince you. You are never listening to facts or reason, so why bother. Maybe a higher lvl player can teach it to you someday, I wasn't able to penetrate you shield of foolishness.

Congrats Turkey and England. And thanks for the game to all of you.
07 Nov 15 UTC Good game
07 Nov 15 UTC Thanks for the game everyone.
07 Nov 15 UTC Good game all.

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Germany
Middelfart (1196 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 19 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
France
fooltommery (235 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 19 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
England
KingJakobI (49 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 19 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Turkey
jsilvs (106 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 19 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Italy
Thurhame (335 D)
Defeated. Bet: 4 D
Austria
andbern (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
Pedrakhan (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
andbern (100 D)Austria (Spring, 1906) with 1 centres.
martina12344 (100 D)Italy (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
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