Finished: 12 PM Tue 03 Nov 15 UTC
Pft, Normies
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
23 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck everyone!
19 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Well lets not hide behind private messages if we are going to talk about finishing the game.
Turkey doesn't think we should end yet because it doesn't think England should finish with so many points. If the game continued for a few more years England would have far fewer points. England is clearly pushing for an early end because it fears being destroyed and wants to draw in a good position.
If Russia is concerned that Turkey is going to go for a solo win then Turkey will agree to a draw once either side reaches a previously agreed maximum, or an agreed minimum English points.
19 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Drawing will give england the same amount of points regardless of SCs
19 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Really? Oh, I thought it was proportional to points.
Ok in that case I suggest that we rebuild the German empire in France and destroy England!
Anyway, I want to carry on. Im having fun
19 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: I just think its so pathetic that england is asking for a draw as soon as he becomes threatened. I dont want to reward behaviour like that
19 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: why on earth is it called points per supply center then if the points are divided equally.
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: To be fair here, all I did was ask Russia if they wanted a three way draw or to let you win, because that's the pace you are on. I didn't see why Russia wouldn't hit you to block the win. They responded with seeking for the draw. Of course you want to play on, because you are on pace to win without Russia doing anything about it.
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: I've wondered too why ppsc doesn't change draw points. You'd think that would be fair enough, as if the other powers were conceding your winning points.
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: I have already suggested we play until an agreed maximum points. I will wait for Russia to respond to this before I say anything more.
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: My intent was to respond to press last night but I am now having computer problems at home.

In the interest of finishing the game without NMRs being an issue because of my current irregular internet access, I propose we go for a three way draw.

That is not the result I desired, but I think is the best I can manage in my current situation.
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Well I am seriously disappointed here. I honestly dont care about any point system, I just want to have a good game. I have always offered a joint win with Russia. The idea of calling a 3 way draw because people are scared that someone might actually win the game is pathetic. Why are we playing? We might as well call a draw in 1902!
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Russia are you honestly not capable of getting internet access once every 1.5 days?
Why dont we just pause the game until your internet is more stable? Or we should just get another player?
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: I've heard all sorts of reasons for people not playing regularly. Me, I'm on a computer all day at work or on the phone outside of work. Pretty nice :)

I think Russia just needs to decide to turn on you to block your win, or try to convince you on a draw. Some people care about stats, at least I've heard. I couldn't care less about it. If you win by taking 6 more from me, well that's just how it is. Sucks for me! On the other hand, if Russia doesn't want you to win because they want to block a solo, then they'll have to start attacking you. I can't do that by myself. I'm spread too thin and you're in good position. (Nice job, BTW.)
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Well its down to Russia. I will vote to draw only if Russia honestly cant get internet access and doesn't want to pause the game until the internet access is more stable. Otherwise I will play on. If Russia wants to attack me, fine, that is the game. But I have already said I am committed to a joint win between only me and Russia.
20 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Sounds good. We at least all have moves entered so if nothing else we'll see what happens next later tonight.
21 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: And there's the issue with subbing orders on my phone.

Still things to figure out.
21 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1908: Good god
21 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: Why? Whats He done now?
21 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1908: He has forsaken my good german people
25 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Dammit, I was being too clever for my own good. That will teach me to try and second guess other people.

Well played Russia, I think this game is yours
26 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1909: Or a draw :)
26 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1910: We'll see what happens. I want to push for a win, but if I screw things up and it looks like the game is going to drag out excessively, I'll definitely support a draw. You've both been good opponents.
29 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1911: What do you guys want to do? Play it out or go for a draw?

The situation the low countries isn't entirely stable, but I don't see you getting through me before I get either into the Italian peninsula or Turkey's rear. I see my route to victory being hold the line in the North. Capture Smyrna and/or Ven next Fall, and if need be get the other or Bulgaria or Constantinople.

I'm fairly confident I can pull off the win, but it's going to be a long, slow slog - at least two more years if I'm reading things right.

You both have been magnificent opponents. If you're up for playing it out, we can do that. If you're up for calling it a day and collecting a draw, I'm up for that, too.

Let me know.
29 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1911: Well, I must say I am interested to see how this goes. I certainly wont make it easy for you, and I still have a few ideas about holding you off. But I do see your victory to pretty much be inevitable now.
I assume England still wants a draw?
I am less strongly against a draw now that we have had a proper go at it, but ultimately it is down to you Russia. I will go with what you want.
29 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1911: It's been a neat end game, so I'll certainly play on. I'll keep the draw flag up in case you decide on that.
29 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1911: That sounds reasonable. Let's go another year and see what happens.
30 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Well that didn't turn out at all like I expected.
30 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Maybe not, though it looks you are about to win the game. I cant see any way of stopping you now. Well done!
30 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Dammit. I outsmarted myself trying to take Venice and reversed my orders.

That would have been it, too.
30 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: haha, this is really dragging on. I thought you had it too! Lets just push through the next couple of turns fast so we can finish this
30 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Sounds good.
31 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1912: If you happen to be ready before the deadline, Turkey, mark it so and I'll push the turn through. I'll be worrying over and second-guessing my moves as long as you'll let me. ;)
31 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1912: You do have a few moves to second guess :)
31 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1912: ;)
31 Oct 15 UTC Spring, 1912: lets go for it!
01 Nov 15 UTC Help, help. I've lodged my foot in my backside from repeatedly kicking myself for buggering up the previous Fall turn.

It looks to me that if I'm not fortunate this season, we should call it a draw. But that's just me, and I'm severely disappointed in myself. ;)
01 Nov 15 UTC It doesn't look like my not-winning is a foregone conclusion, but a win is no longer guaranteed. I still have a chance, but it is a question of how much can I gain before England makes gains against me.

I don't regret much in my life, but I do regret that one pair of orders that I reversed. None of us would be going through this much pain and anguish right now.

Turkey, if you flip the draw flag, I'll flip mine and we can end this.
01 Nov 15 UTC mine is up. very good game guys :)
01 Nov 15 UTC Yes, good game!
01 Nov 15 UTC Great game. Thanks!

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