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Finished: 07 PM Mon 28 Sep 15 UTC
Private Fair is foul and foul is fair . . .
1 day /phase
Pot: 200 D - Autumn, 2001, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Dragu (388 D)
15 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: Turkey-I'm fine with that.
17 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1998: btw, I have never sent a message twice. But most of you have got the same message from me multiple times. I do not know why that is happening. I only ever click send once. So sorry about that.
17 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1998: It's a bug on the game scree, certainly nothing you did. Try refreshing the page prior to posting.
17 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1998: Yeah i've had that problem too. Very annoying.
17 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1998: btw, I have never sent a message twice. But most of you have got the same message from me multiple times. I do not know why that is happening. I only ever click send once. So sorry about that.
17 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1998: lol
18 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1998: btw, I have never sent a message twice. But most of you have got the same message from me multiple times. I do not know why that is happening. I only ever click send once. So sorry about that.
19 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: btw, I have never sent a message twice. But most of you have got the same message from me multiple times. I do not know why that is happening. I only ever click send once. So sorry about that.
19 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Oh the irony
20 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Do we find out who everyone is at the end of the game?
20 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Yes, i can't wait.
20 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: And another apology. Real life got in the way and I had to spend the whole day moving yesterday. So I didn't abandon the game. There was just a palace coup and my government was toppled by people unhappy with the war. They are a very pro-Poland resistance movement and have done their job well!
20 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Hahaha, happy revolution?
23 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1999: I wanted to issue a sincere and heartfelt apology for causing any of you discomfort or angst in this game. When I join Anon games, I often adopt a persona that is intended to mask who I am, in part because when people find out who I am, I tend to get attacked en masse. Anyway, in this game I was intentionally cantankerous and aggressive - two things (I hope) no one would ever accuse me of in real life - but in doing so, I stepped over the line and made some people feel uncomfortable and badgered. I am sincerely sorry for this and I've decided that in future anon games I will just be me and if I get ganged up on, so be it. I don't ever want to make someone feel uncomfortable or unwelcome, and I realize that in this game I did both, and I'm very ashamed and embarrassed.

Spain: I am especially sorry for how I treated you - I was overly rough and pushy, and in doing so, crossed the line. I am deeply sorry and I ask for your forgiveness. I hope you will give me and this wonderful game a second chance.

Sincerely,

Jeff (Eadan)
23 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: I think this game, by it's nature, requires a very thick skin and a mentality that is quick to forgive but will never forget. At least if you don't want to hate the people you play with.
23 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: http://grantland.com/features/diplomacy-the-board-game-of-the-alpha-nerds/
23 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: That article is actually how I discovered the game.
23 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: One of my friends posted it on FB yesterday actually
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: I've yet to play a "live" game.

By the way, I've pulled all of my units back and, given the heartache I caused some, will not be launching any further attacks or entering support-holds.
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: What? No. Don't do that. Apologies have been made and accepted. No need to throw the game.
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: Nah, this one is over, my friends.
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: This was my first game. I still don't fully understand it.

I have a big question: Italy is surely going to win. The goal is to get to 32 SC's - he has 28. This was achieved with an ironclad agreement between Poland, Italy, and Spain. My big question, what did Poland and Spain gain from this? Why make an agreement if the agreement means you can't win?

thanks
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: There are two types of games: "Winner takes all" and "Points per supply center"
In this game, Points per SC, a player can win more points than they "bet" even if someone reached the required # of SCs before they did. There are also games where players agree to "draw" the game so everyone shares the pot equally (not the case here).
Hope this answers your question.
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: 33 is the magic number on this map.

I think every player, when entering an Alliance, needs to ask the following: "Are we doing a two-person (or more) draw or are we eventually splitting and going for the solo?"

In this game, once me, Turkey, and Russia are eliminated, a draw for the four remaining players would net 50 coins each - a very sweet haul. If this game goes to a solo, then the three non-winning players will receive less than 50. For Poland, that is no great loss - he will nearly net 50. But for Egypt and Spain, both are sacrificing a fair number of coins, especially given their critical contribution to the four-person alliance.
24 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: We never made a 4 person alliance :P
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: Egypt may not have been a part of the overall alliance.

So does Italy get more coins because he has more SC's or is it an even split?
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: I'm not privy to the details: it seemed the four of you all worked together, even after it became clear Italy was going to solo. Since none of them tried to stop you, I assume the rest of the board, like me, presumed it must be a four-person; it makes no sense to stand by watching a solo if you aren't getting a draw reward (even allowing for a PPSC reward).

Anywhoooo, it was an interesting game. Despite the ripples I caused, I hope the new folks learned a bit and will be eager for the next game. Grats to all of the winners. :)
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: Turkey - if Italy solos, he will net somewhere around 110 coins. In a PPSC game you can always see where everyone stands in terms of coins by looking at the "scoreboard" (below the map). In a draw, all surviving players, regardless of how many SCs they hold, get an even split of the total coins. A four-person draw would result in each player getting 50. In our game, Italy would not want to draw at this point because he will lose 60 coins; conversely, you would not think that Spain and Egypt would want Italy to solo, since they will lose roughly 53 coins total.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: I should note, you "survive" a game (and share in any draw) as long as the word "Defeated" or "Left" does NOT appear next to your name. The game checks your status and SC total during the Build phase.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: I don't think Egypt was a part of the alliance. Italy has pretty much swallowed Eqypt. It seems more Italy used them or Egypt was on their own.

Why is there concern about getting coins? Is there a prize at the end of the year for the person with the most coins?
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: Coins are valuable on two fronts: 1) your coin total impacts your rating on the site and 2) the more coins you have, the higher stakes games you can join. Our ante for this game was a mere 20 coins; expert games often have an ante upwards of 200 coins per player.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: 1) aka bragging rights essentially lol
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: i never really saw the point of coins either, since the games we play are only ever 10 or 20 to join, and the game gives you 100 free if you ever go under that.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: As for what we gained by working with Italy even after it was clear he could solo:

1. This was my first game, so I learned a lot that I can use in the future. At the beginning I felt very grateful that I had a solid ally helping me out that I couldn't bring myself to stab him later when the opportunity was presented.
2. The PPSC makes it seem like it's much better to end with more points by working with the person about to win than to die off pushing for a draw.
3. Since this game is basically over already I can admit that I absolutely intended to eventually try to push Italy into a draw if Spain and I could get enough hold to stop him from getting to 33 and force him to either draw or solo fight his allies, but I never got a response from Spain that would make me comfortable proposing this, and I knew we had to be down to at most 4 to even make the idea of a draw possible, so maybe it was my inexperience, but I saw myself as doing more than just watching.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: even though that plan was never more than one man's dream of a best case scenario.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: Interesting Poland. Would love Spain's take. This too was my first game. Spain seemed to be doing nothing really the whole game which doesn't make sense. Seems like that would just be boring.

How did you hear about this game?
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: i had no idea we had so many new players in this game. If y'all have any other questions about game mechanics or play strategy, Jeff and I are happy to answer what we can.
24 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2000: It was Spain's first game too, so if she seemed to play more passively, I think that would make sense: slow play it, minimize risk, partner with a strong ally. I tried mightily to peel all three of you from Italy when it became obvious that he was going to solo, but none of you wanted to split from him. :)

PPSC are common amongst beginner games, but you will rarely, if at all, see it in expert games; they play high ante, WTA (Winner-take-All) games.
26 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2001: for the record, as this game will be over in a year and has not been in question for the last year and a half since Germany decided to surrender, I assume England is no longer off limits as taking it doesn't convey a game advantage nor does it hurt anyone playing.
26 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2001: I'd like to be left one SC so I get credit for a Survival, and I see no reason not to take England's SC.
26 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2001: Why should you be credited with a survival? You quit.
26 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2001: I didn't realize that I quit, Turkey.
26 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 2001: Why should you be credited with a survival? You quit.
27 Sep 15 UTC You are Germany? Or did I misread the color? You apologized for your behavior and retreated. How is that not quitting?
27 Sep 15 UTC Well, for one, I am still here, entering my moves, yes?
27 Sep 15 UTC sure. but you're asking for special consideration. and I don't know why you deserve that.
27 Sep 15 UTC It could be argued that since I am not asking it of you, it's none of your business. Further, it's a common request from players when a game is about to end, so it's really not "special" at all.
27 Sep 15 UTC I'm not interested in arguing with you, Turkey; it's a message I've sent to you three times now.
27 Sep 15 UTC Tell me how what you did - retreating - was not quitting. No arguing. Just explain that.
27 Sep 15 UTC “They have a choice: they can live in my new world, or they can die in their old one.” — Daenerys Targaryen

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Italy
Dragu (388 D)
Won. Bet: 20 D, won: 105 D
33 supply-centers, 30 units
Poland
SirZ (274 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 64 D
20 supply-centers, 17 units
Spain
lcb514 (106 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 26 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Egypt
zgoodwin (223 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 4 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
Germany
Eadan (454 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 4 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Britain
Dingus101 (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 20 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
France
bluboy77 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Russia
Jorric87 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Turkey
ZachTaylor (130 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Ukraine
MrMcRedbeard (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
Dingus101 (100 D)Britain (Autumn, 1998) with 4 centres.
Jorric87 (100 D)Russia (Spring, 1999) with 5 centres.
bluboy77 (100 D)France (Autumn, 1994) with 4 centres.
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