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Finished: 11 PM Mon 16 Nov 15 UTC
ODC 2015: Round 2, Board 1
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 42 D - Spring, 1916, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Wait for orders
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
08 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1914: You guys are funny. Everyone has a separate plan for me to get them in position to solo. It looks like you guys can take me out, but you're certainly taking on a lot of risk that I can't tip the balance towards a solo. Is the couple of extra points from squashing me after we re-did the last move really worth the risk?

This game should be drawn.
08 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1914: I feel left out here. I didn't know I was supposed to send you my solo plans. Any suggestions?
08 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1914: Me too..... Can someone lend me a fleet in the Med to help my solo.
08 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1914: What am I? Chopped liver? Just ask for one of mine, amigo.
08 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1914: I'm not sure you can support me into Con with your fleets.
09 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1914: Ufortunately I gave up on my solo plans a couple of years ago. But a valiant effort, Austria!
10 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1914: If people don't have much left to discuss, I'd be fine with us readying up. If you're busy, of course feel free to take your time though.
11 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1914: Ready
11 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Y'all lack imagination and ambition.
11 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: I'll cop up to the latter at least.
11 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: I dunno, I imagined this ending some time ago. Ask France to check his S03 press.
11 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Ha! I went back through 41 pages of messages and found it. I remember that discussion; looks like it's going that way 12 years later...
11 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Germany, I'll support you to Rumania and cut support in Serbia. Ya know, it's something to do.

You'd have to play against your win condition not to use Vie to cut support in Bud and move Sev to Rumania, but lots of people have been playing against their win condition, so who knows...
11 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Ok... but don't tell anyone.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Austria, he knows France will solo in that scenario. We're at the end, just rip your king over and let it happen.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: France certainly would not solo in that scenario. Germany would just get another point at your expense, and perhaps a second one in Budapest. You wouldn't throw the game to France over two points. That makes no sense.

My moves are the same either way. Germany, you can take it or leave it.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Turkey was down to 3 and destroying units back in 03. We never should have taken our feet off his throat.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: I can't believe Russia said that. Russia, you inexplicably handed over your centers to Turkey. It was ridiculous. Clearly a tremendous bit of negotiation by Turkey, but very strange that you decided to go for it. You might replace your "we," with an "I."
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: I was actually feeling sorry for you, but go fuck yourself. You deserve to lose this game as much as i did.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Russia was put in a position where he had to do some thing rash. I was lucky to be the benefactor of that. But I think that's how Turkey sometimes plays out.

And, for Germany, it woul be fair for me to assume that his first 'benign' move was the start of something more. I definitely would have to mount a defense there. I assume this France, as well as he's played the game, would be able to take advantage of that. It's really not rocket surgery at this point of the game. Everyone just ready and we cam discuss shit EOG soon.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: I don't mean to take any credit away from Turkey. He talked Russia into throwing away his game, which is impressive.

But I'm in no hurry for this game to end. It's a long and interesting game, and there is no reason the end has to come this minute. Everyone has opportunities to improve their position. I am in complete desperation/willing to do anything mode. I'm sure everyone is telling each other that their happy with their current lot in life. But advancement to the next round is going to come down to just a point or two. No reason not to take more points if their staring you in the face.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Boo. Hurry. I got no ambition.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: If you're offering that to Germany, at least ready up so we can get through it soon.
12 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1915: Wow, now Germany can take Rum and Bud without any help from me at all.

That would make 14 with two fleets builds coming. I think Germany is going to take this one. Very nicely done.
12 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Ok, France, you have my support wherever you like. I have the the utmost confidence that I can keep Germany below 18 while you cross the stalemate line and take the solo.
12 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: My draw flag is down. I'm not taking a draw here. I think you really fucked up there, Germany.
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: I need14, I don't need a solo, and I like the idea of Turkey and France getting through. My flag will go up soon.
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Fuck your needs
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Germany, you said for many turns now that you're happy with a 12/11/11 split. I said I didn't really care what the split was and I was easy with how things went. You lied then and you're lying now.
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Lot of tension here. I guess nicely done Austria for stoking them as best you can. Make sense, given that you're about to be eliminated.
Germany - don't press your luck. I'll be in position in time to turn the north if you take a shot.
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Austria is not going to get eliminated. That is up to me at this point and it's not going to happen.
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: It's your call. Fine with me if that's what it takes.
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: I actually did not stoke tensions. At least not these ones. Germany made the right play based on his win condition. It wasn't something I asked him to do.

The truth is, this game is in a very fragile balance. Everyone has a lot to lose. And while you can all reach a marginally better result by eliminating me, there are plenty of other ways for this to end too. To gain a couple of points, you risk them all.

My draw flag is still up.

(until I take it down and seize my solo :-) )
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Did Russia know he was to be sacrificed?
13 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: Yes, Russia explicitly told me he didn't give a shit if eliminated him. He was pissed with you and the way you play.
14 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: If Austria could clear the orders through I could hit the draw button and we can spend the rest of the weekend discussing the motives.
14 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: gg everyone.
14 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: "Austria is not going to get eliminated. That is up to me at this point and it's not going to happen" -- well, you held out 24 hours at least.
14 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: I was hoping to be able to get a couple more centres through shear bullshittery. I normally wouldn't play that game but centres count in this tournament so I had to try. It became pretty clear that we could eliminate him safely.
14 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: I'm not sure I'll ever understand that one. If that was your plan, why spend so many hours lying to me.

Germany, the solo is yours for the taking if you care.

Thanks for the game. Good luck all.
14 Nov 15 UTC Autumn, 1915: There is no solo. I cannot advance against an angry Turkey and a bullish France. France had the same problem
14 Nov 15 UTC Well, then you just don't know what you're doing. Good luck.
14 Nov 15 UTC Perhaps you would like to explain how. Because I don't see it.
14 Nov 15 UTC Austria, you can ask France, I did deliberate for a long time about whether or not I should eliminate you. I wasn't just dragging you along for the sake of it.

We both (France and I) studied the board for a long time to see if this could result and a German solo and we both agreed that it wasn't possible. With the French fleet moving north and my units moving back east, he can't get past the satelmate lines anywhere. In fact, there is a chance I could break through via the Black Sea and take a couple of centres.
14 Nov 15 UTC Thank you Turkey. I have been pouring over the map, and the only solos available require France to move as I ask or me taking impossible risks.
14 Nov 15 UTC Good game all. It was fun and very engaging the whole time. I hope to see some of you (and myself!) in the next round.
14 Nov 15 UTC Good game everyone. I'm done my games for this round (a 3WD and a 4WD, 16 centres total) and I don't expect them to be quite enough to get me through but good luck to everyone with the rest of their games.

Nice to see some new faces (and some older ones). I don't have time for a proper EOG now but if people want to do them I can probably find some time next weekend.
14 Nov 15 UTC I'd like to point out that TooCoolSunday has now topped every board he's played on the site, pretty impressive.
15 Nov 15 UTC This was a fun game. I am kicking myself for getting so close, then not being able to finish the solo - but kudos to everyone for realizing it just in the nick of time and gathering together for the stop. It's funny, but as I noted to Russia and Austria, they would have been just slightly better off supporting my solo bid. As soon as they joined the effort to stop me, it was clear how this would end.
That being said, I am impressed that Germany was able to get close to a position that presented a near solo bid himself at the end. Luckily for Turkey and me, he had to be sure that his moves to BUD and RUM would be successful and was unable to commit SEV to ARM.
Perhaps there was a way I could have seemed less threatening to Turkey so that he would have focused more units on his own defense and not spent them trying to wrest ION from me. Then again, perhaps that paranoia helped lower Russian and Austrian defenses - hard to say now.
And I commend Austria for both his enthusiasm and persistence. It was a pleasure to communicate with you the whole game, and I feel a bit sad that I didn't see a meaningful and beneficial arrangement that worked.
All in all, a pleasure and thanks to everyone for a hard-fought and well-played game.
15 Nov 15 UTC That was hard work but great fun.

My take:
Englands machinatons in the first years convinced me he was a fearsome opponent and helping France against him seemed an obvious early strategy. I was certain though that once England fell I would be the corned beef in Russia and France's sandwich. So, sorry Mapu if you don't like me but I don't believe Germany and Russia can ever be friends. And it was more important to me to neutralise you than it was to remove England. I didn't think muting me from 04 on was useful for you.

Despite my protestations I had every intention to escalate the front with France. I would have liked to have regained North but I couldn't see how it could be done. However I felt that the more units France had tied up in the North the less he had for any campaign in the Med.

Austria had been pitching me an idea for a two way which I had no interest in. And I had an eye on his centres. The problem was that Turkey was playing a blinder. The coup taking Sev off me pure genius as I was stuck with nowhere to go.

Press with both Austria and Turkey was always challenging. Neither were taken in by my waffle and both gave as good as they got.

At the end I put my draw flag up and down a few times as I tried to see if a solo was possible. It was, but the risks were too great and it could have ended with a return of France or me losing a couple of dots. The odds didn't add up for me.

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TooCoolSunday (594 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
mscott (384 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Yonni (261 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Tru Ninja (1016 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 1 D
superchunk (4890 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Mapu (362 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Tru Ninja (1016 D (S))England (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
goldfinger0303 (3157 D Mod)England (Autumn, 1903) with 4 centres.
Caballo Blanco (1005 D)England (Autumn, 1906) with 1 centres.
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