Finished: 06 PM Mon 20 Jul 15 UTC
We are Allies Right ????
1 day /phase
Pot: 264 D - Autumn, 2009, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
05 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2005: You have attacked and attacked and attacked me. I will protect my allies from your aggression.
06 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2005: I'm not anyone's puppet. I moved to Milan because *YOU* made builds that could only be used to attack me, and didn't respond when I questioned you about it. That's not my fault, nor did Russia ask me to do it.

Let me reiterate this publicly, because while I've said this many times privately, some people may not trust me: my goal in this game is a 4-way draw with myself, Russia, Spain, and Ukraine (in alphabetical order).

There is no ulterior intentions. I have lots of gratitude towards Spain for defeating France, gratitude towards Russia and Spain for defeating Germany, and gratitude towards Ukraine for helping me ultimately get Serbia and Greece.

I have no motives to attack either 3 of you, nor do I have the ability to (at 11 SCs, Spain has 23--I'm not stupid), nor would that accomplish much. After the Franco-German alliance nearly killed me early on, I'm quite happy with mere survival, and I'm not going to jeopardize that by attacking an ally where the upside is just a 3-way instead of a 4-way.

Let's just wrap this up. No petty feuds, no conspiracy-theories, no stabs, please.
06 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2005: Italy is not my puppet, but just a good ally and someone who wants to survive, obviously.
06 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2005: Ok, dear friends. Everybody in this map deserve draw.
08 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2006: someone disagrees ..I wonder whom that would be ..
08 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2006: I voted. It is clear that our Russian friend don't want to draw. I am sure that we will be able to.convince him....
08 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2006: I voted long before anyone else.
09 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2006: Okay, someone's a liar. Who is it?
09 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2006: Whoever attacks someone else is pretty clearly going on a naive solo grab. We should all gang up on whoever attacks someone else first.
09 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2006: Well we all say we have voted..
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: It is clear who is the liar, from the beginning. When Russia wrote that I agreed with a draw was not true, then he was a liar. Now I voted. Since both Ukraine and Italy have no interest to not draw, Russia did not vote. Ukraine, please, convince him with your armies in the North. In the South we are in a stalemate.
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: I voted first.
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Italy and I both agree to a draw..it is difficult for us to tell who is lying.

We will hold lines to stalemate this hopefully will make the resistnt person vote draw as well.
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: To attack Israel is not to make progress in this sense. If you will not attack him you will never see the end of this war. He will attack you.
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: At the end of the day I don't know if its Spain or Russia holding up the draw.

I'm trying to get a stalemate line established.
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Your "stalemate line" is full of holes. Holes that your old friend Russia will fill very early.
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: that why I'm "ESTABLISHING IT" its not done yet..

as I say I dont know which of you is holding out of the draw..
09 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Yeah, he needs a stalemate line against all that aggression from one unit. :)
10 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Ukraine, what is exactly the reasons for which you stole me Israel? I voted the draw.
10 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: And you, Spain, stole BEL from me....and I voted to draw also.
10 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Belgium was mine, before you stole me when I lose the turn.
11 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2007: If either of you think you can really get a solo, you're crazy. It's impossible. Both of you have too many units in the Britain/LowCountries/NorthAtlantic region to be broken, and if you stab me or Ukraine then we'll obviously retaliate.

Let's draw.
11 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2007: I am already drawing. I hope that Ukraine can stop his stupid attack against me helping Russia.
11 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2007: So are we all. Doesnt look stupid when he can gain ground, so stop asking.
12 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2007: Not even now is clear who is that did not vote??!!!
12 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2007: Work on the english. "Is not it now clear who did not vote?" That works a little better. To answer your question, it is not.
12 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2007: My English is bad, but the content is however clear, dear teacher...
12 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2007: My english isnt much better, honestly.
13 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2007: Don't feel too bad. Both of your English is better than my anything-else.
13 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2007: Might I add that, of Russia and Spain, if one of you makes gains on the other, and it gets to maybe, say, 25 for one and 15 for the other, I'm going to assume the one in the lead is the liar, and organize an attack on them. Why? Well, obviously the one who's doing poorly would decide to draw.

What does this mean? It means that a solo grab will NOT work. Whoever the liar is needs to draw. It's the only sensible choice.
13 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2008: Dear Russia
we are in a stalemate. Draw or prove to be the liar attacking Italy or Ukraine. After this they finally know who are you.
15 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2008: Um...is that a Ukrainian solo grab?
15 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2008: We all need to realize that we can't stop pissing each other off if we want to succeed. Spain has been at war with Russia for a while, and he's also been at war with Ukraine down south as well. And now Ukraine attacked Russia and me.

Maybe some of you are confused: the object of the game isn't to make as many enemies as possible.
16 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2008: I just want to poke people into the draw. see the message i sent you. Itay..
16 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 2008: I was a risk I decided to take .Hopefully to get the draw..
16 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2009: Russia, please, draw.
17 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2009: Yes Russia draw time is now..
17 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 2009: You keep talking about me, but you are the one attacking.
18 Jul 15 UTC hopefully now you and Spain are weaker a draw will be possible..as one of yoy were holding out.

And yes again Im sorry to Italy for tapping him but we needed action to get someone to move.

Now hopefully a draw can be done
18 Jul 15 UTC Then draw already.
18 Jul 15 UTC Me too... It is clear, dear Ukraine, that you are the single man in Europe that did not vote... I am pretty sure that also Russia did not vote, but now I believe to him.
18 Jul 15 UTC Yeah, it's blatantly obvious that Ukraine is the liar, sorry to say. Please draw, this is silly.
18 Jul 15 UTC I have a draw in I believe its spain..

im wide open to Italy ..

do we get to see who lied at the end ??

because I know I have draw on from way back.
18 Jul 15 UTC Italy if someone is trying to get you to "help them attack me that is the liar.

I know Russia was because we had an alliance to roll Spain in the south before I broke that agreement.

I know Spain is because he is a deceitful player..good but deceitful.

and to prove it here is a cut and paste of converstaions with him. an Russia.
18 Jul 15 UTC 38 AM I voted already the draw! Dear Ukraine... Be clear with me. If you don't want a 2-way draw with me is sufficient to be clear. I voted for the draw. So, there is someone that is a liar, as usual. Don't move against me.
09:53 AM I wont I will keep attacking Russia.

I have made an arrangement with Italy for him to cap some SC so we both can build up.
~09:46 AM Yes, but you are not drawing now, my dear.....

Could Italy attack Russia instead of me?!
19 Jul 15 UTC Finally!!!!
19 Jul 15 UTC Ot os clear that YOUbwas rhebliar, again.
19 Jul 15 UTC Huzzah!

I was getting really fed up with this game, and had even turned two countries against me (that's why I hesitated for so long to break my neutrality, by the way). Glad it's finished.

Congratulations to the other 3 of you for getting the draw as well!

Now, who was/were the liar(s)?!?
19 Jul 15 UTC Not me but strange how when started to grow and you threatend Spain that it all finished . I trust you Italy , also my cut and paste seemed to work lol
19 Jul 15 UTC I agree, it was probably Spain.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Ukraine
Smokey Gem (154 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 66 D
20 supply-centers, 16 units
Spain
bruckner85 (147 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 66 D
19 supply-centers, 17 units
Russia
sanfi (1709 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 66 D
15 supply-centers, 18 units
Italy
LeinadT (146 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 66 D
10 supply-centers, 11 units
Britain
Joba (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 14 D
Egypt
Jefe (100 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
France
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Germany
CrispyNinja (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Poland
Ozcar (378 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Turkey
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Civil Disorders
Atrum (458 D)Britain (Spring, 1995) with 6 centres.
Caesar iuvenalus (135 D)France (Autumn, 2001) with 0 centres.
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