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Finished: 01 PM Sun 24 May 15 UTC
Private League B1: Winter 2015 - Game 3
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 38 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
03 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: You could email the mod email address if you care that much. I hit pause but its fruitless...you need Mod intervention. And then a replacement that wants to join into a losing position which will take weeks.

Your best bet is to just take advantage of the NMR. You seem extremely mad about the fact you will be able to walk into 2-3 SC's without resistance. Normally I would hate to see you gain 2 free SC's but thats preferable to an infinite pause.
03 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yes yes and everyone is just exactly as stupid as you think they are.
03 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Not sure why you are so pissed at me. I wish he didNt NMR. I pressed pause as you requested and I am advocating for you to take advantage of the situation. I just dont really want an infinate pause while they find someone who wants to join a game ina losing situation.
But hey.....go on being mad.
03 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Now you see why I think people are stupid...
03 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yes because I PMd 2 mods, got s response from 1, mailed the mid email address, made a fucking forum thread about it to which other kids responded, and STILL couldn't get a response for a tournament game.

Yes all my fault you opportunistic prick.
03 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Right...your fault was not putting in any orders.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yep no intention of playign out a ridiculous match determined by who can enter orders and not NMR rather than skill.

I literally give no fucks what you think and I guarantee you that your outrage would equal mine were our strategic positions reversed.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ruining your reliabiliy rating and throwing this game doesnt make anything better for you.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: 97% is fine mate - and I didn't throw the game - it was thrown for me. Again, if you want an empty and hollow victory for Team Dyager - knock yourself out.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I started playing Toiurnaments to play with some of the "better" players on this site and to hopefully limit the number NMRs I'd have to deal with - in a normal game you just roll with it and its the luck of the draw.

But all except one tournament has been rocked by game changing NMRs and I'm fucking sick of it. I did everything requested and expected of me to play out the match. If I do that and it still gets wrecked - then there is no reason at all to play.

So you can grandstand and get on your high horse all you like, but we shouldn't have to deal with this in tournaments, and as the only protest I can make in what amounts to now a meaningless game, then I'll make it.

Just deal with it, take your points and standings and cut the faux indignation at my stand, just say "thank you" and move along.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Tend to agree with Wusti here...
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: (goldfinger0303): Sorry guys. This past week was my finals week and I've been in the middle of turning in papers, taking finals, moving out of an apartment, and preparing for a move to NYC. I asked the mods to take care of this, but the fact that this hasn't been paused already is unacceptable. My sincerest apologies.

A sub will be found.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Just cancel it Goldie - and that stuff happens but the game is wrecked - get sub and restart would be the only way I will continue this match - sorry.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: (goldfinger0303): I could roll it back a phase easily enough. Not too sure I could go for two, but that may be an option. Just something to keep in mind.

I am not inclined to cancel and restart, but if the opinion is unanimous, I will respect that.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: No sub is going to want to take that spot. Rollback somewhat works except we all know the moves we are putting in...except for Wusti and Krellin who NMR'd on purpose thus making the situation worse in hopes of forcing a cancel. Krellin was the hold out on putting a pause in.

Perhaps drawing it is the only real option although I hate rewarding Krellin for his behavior.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: 2 Phase roll-back with sub would work for me. Also happy to restart, and Goldfinger - just so you know I don't bear you any ill will - you have others who could've fixed it given your schedule - but that thread has a suggestion from Peter Wiggin that has merit for the future.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Wusti and I dont agree on much but we agree on PeterWiggins suggestion.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I won't vote for a cancel. I will vote for a draw if we play one more phase.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Rewarding me for my behavior. Its a TOURNAMENT game with a CD. NOBODY should get credit for this game!!
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm burning down the game because of a prior injustice!!! I thought that's what all swarming little liberals in Webdipistan would agree is the best behavior. So you are damned right I should be rewarded for my bad behavior!!! (Unless you are racist....)
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Exactly my point. You made the situation worse because of the prior decision and because your about to be eliminated. That cant be rewarded
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Two different discussions, idiot. The game is flawed by a CD. Period. That doesnt mean "only petiole with greater than x survive". You just want the fucking draw because it benefits you, assmunch
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Everyone else had their Pause button pressed except for you. You chose instead to intentionally NMR to make the situation so bad they would be tempted to cancel. Thats my issue with you.
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Burning down the house Baby. That's how protests work, right? Bet you $10 you are all for such a strategy on the streets, right? But when it affects you....
04 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I want a fair game in a fucking Tournament. This isn't a fair game. Regardless of my position in this game, The OUTCOME OF THIS ONE AFFECTS THE NEXT. So having this game corrupted is BULLSHIT for the entire tournament. But sure that is too deep a concept for your feeble mind.
05 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Krellin the Cretin :P
06 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Perhaps....
07 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: (goldfinger0303): Okay, I would like to hear some clear answers from people. What do you want?

Steingrim - draw
Wusti - rollback
dyager - draw
Everyone else ?

I have ATC double checking tonight that its possible to roll back more than one phase without messing things up. Will let you know if its doable. But please could everyone say - definitively - what their preferences are.
07 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: (goldfinger0303): And yes, PW's suggestion is optimal, but we don't have that right now. As of now, my inclination is to draw the game as is. So if you cannot come to an agreement on a different solution, that is what is going to happen.
07 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: (goldfinger0303): (cue cut and paste message). hello everyone. This is just to inform you that due to some upcoming travels of mine, the 4th League game will not start until the 20th of May. Apologies for any inconvenience this deviation from the schedule may cause.

I will be away from the 8th to the 19th. If any issues come up during this time, please contact the moderator team at webdipmod@gmail.com
08 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Rollback would be great. If that's not possible, a draw is fine.
08 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Rollback 2 phases, if not possible, then Draw.
08 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Howdy all!

I'm the sub for Maher :)

I believe this is being rolled back, so I'll wait to send out messages until that's done.
09 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: This game has been moved back to Autumn, 1904
09 May 15 UTC Spring, 1904: GameMaster: This game has been moved back to Spring, 1904
09 May 15 UTC Spring, 1904: (A_Tin_Can): I've rolled the game back, and you're good to go. The SC counts at the bottom are a little messed up, but I think it will correct when the deadline hits.
09 May 15 UTC Spring, 1904: (A_Tin_Can): Let me know if anything weird happens.
09 May 15 UTC Spring, 1904: thanks ATC
09 May 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Fuck this
18 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Wusti showed up for those of us who were worried.
18 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Well this game sucked for me.
20 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'll be away for most of today as I have exams - I will get press out next phase. Sorry all!
21 May 15 UTC Just to save press time....I am once again promoting a 4 way draw scenerio. I made my stab at Austria but due to circumstances that did not work out as rosy as I had imagined.
21 May 15 UTC I meant that I am making that statement in global to save writing it 4 times
21 May 15 UTC I think I am also in favour of the four way now. I do not see any further powers being eliminated here.
22 May 15 UTC Works for me.
22 May 15 UTC I think if we let Dyager gain the draw he wins the League and im not prepared to rollover on that yet unless I receive strong arguments from Austria and France to the contrary
22 May 15 UTC Top three people move up to the A league. Winning doesnt matter...top 3 matters. I also dont believe Austria and I want to fight eachother while France and you move on us. In that scenerio Austria is more likely tp be eliminated that I am.
22 May 15 UTC Also, this puts dyager on 2.4 plus probably 4 for game 2 and 3 for this game = 9.4 - so if one of use solos in game 4 and he is eliminated then he's not automatically won, unless my math is out. Simple! Wusti and I will be on 5.4 if we draw this as it stands so not entirely out of the question we could get to 9.4 as well.
22 May 15 UTC GGWP all :)

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Russia
dyager_nh (619 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 10 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
France
captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
Drawn. Bet: 3 D, won: 10 D
9 supply-centers, 7 units
Austria
Steingrim (404 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 10 D
8 supply-centers, 7 units
England
Wusti (1573 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 10 D
6 supply-centers, 8 units
Germany
xpedior (707 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
Yoyoyozo (172 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
krellin (80 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz (42 D (S))France (Autumn, 1904) with 4 centres.
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