Finished: 06 PM Thu 23 Apr 15 UTC
Private PJ GB 1
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by podium (498 D)
22 Apr 15 UTC Congrats, VB!
22 Apr 15 UTC Ouch, I meant podium!
22 Apr 15 UTC well played, russia! too bad france and england just couldn't reach an agreement
22 Apr 15 UTC Congrats Podium!
22 Apr 15 UTC What on earth was France doing at the end destroying defense? Taking two of my centers with no build possible? Crazy.
22 Apr 15 UTC GG. All. First time I've ever done anything with Russia.
22 Apr 15 UTC Well done podium!

VB, what on earth were you doing 1907-1911? First attacking me while I was obviously just trying to hold Russia. Then constantly taking centers from France, wasting both your and his fleets. You weren't gonna be eliminated when I turned back. You were never gonna become a major power instead.. Could have just been a part of the draw. This isn't PPSC.
22 Apr 15 UTC Let’s see … 1904 you (Germany) invade my island and take EDI. 1905/06 you force yourself into NTH and eject me from BEL reducing me to two centers. 1907 France invades my island while I am desperately trying to avoid elimination and end up retaking EDI & HOL. 1908 I am desperately trying to hold off France’s attack while staying alive in BEL; I would love to leave you alone, but I have to have a center somewhere to survive. 1909 France has 2 of my 3 home centers and I survive by taking BRE. 1910 France appears to recognize the Russian threat by defending EDI rather than bouncing me in LON and in 1911 I signal acceptance of the status quo by supporting him in BEL and preparing to rotate out of Iberia (trading SPA for POR). You (Germany) are long gone by this point, and while I appreciate your stance against Russia, the fact that you started by attacking EDI combined with the fact that France was forcing me out of the home island, meant that one of us was going to die, so I chose you. In 1912 I abandon Iberia, expecting to be allowed back into LVP so I can contribute fleets to the north while freeing France’s Iberian fleet. But no. France retakes BRE and bounces me in LVP reducing me to 1 SC while he has no place to build for his gains. France is the one who needs to be reminded that this is not PPSC.
22 Apr 15 UTC Podium played well though ... GG
23 Apr 15 UTC Congrats to podium on a good game, strong throughout. Looks like you had builds just about every turn, way to steamroll to a solo.
To Italy, good job defending my attack. Thought I might have been able to deliver a knockout shot, you recovered quickly and slammed the door on me. Good job also in realizing what we needed to do to stop the solo and breaking off to try against Russia.
To Germany, sorry I went for Italy when I did. Trying to pull off something dramatic, should have just ground down England then and gone from there afterward. I like games where France and Germany work together, makes for a pretty tough to beat alliance.
23 Apr 15 UTC Congrats to podium on a good game, strong throughout. Looks like you had builds just about every turn, way to steamroll to a solo.
To Italy, good job defending my attack. Thought I might have been able to deliver a knockout shot, you recovered quickly and slammed the door on me. Good job also in realizing what we needed to do to stop the solo and breaking off to try against Russia.
To Germany, sorry I went for Italy when I did. Trying to pull off something dramatic, should have just ground down England then and gone from there afterward. I like games where France and Germany work together, makes for a pretty tough to beat alliance.
23 Apr 15 UTC As for England, all I can say is that we have a different view of what happened in this game. The key year for this game was 1907. At this point, Russia had made 12 SC's and was clearly the only player with a chance to solo. Austria/Turkey realized this and made an excellent defense of their remaining 5 centers (held out to the end -- well done). Italy and I realized this and managed to disentangle ourselves, pressure Trieste, and defend the Italian home centers until the very end. I rotated my fleets northward, Germany abandoned Bel/Hol to stave off the Russian attack..... and England stabbed Germany in the back in Bel and Edi. In my book (and most others I've played with), it's pretty much unforgivable to stab a player who is holding down the most important part of a potential stalemate line. If you make moves like those, you should expect to receive similar treatment from others players -- my move Nao-Lvp in the fall would have been Nao S Nwg if you had not moved the way you did. Your assertions that you were "desperately trying to hold off elimination" are somewhat laughable; if you wanted to avoid elimination, moves like Ech s Nts, Nts s Ska (or Nwg, or Ska-Nwy) in S 07 and beyond would have done the trick, as they would have shown you to be actively participating in an attempt for a draw which could have worked pretty easily at that point. Instead, you attacked Germany in S 07, F 07, S 08, F 08, ensuring a Russian breakthrough; then the 'Drive for Iberia' began, and the game was basically blown. By 1910, I just wanted you off the map when all was said and done.
28 Apr 15 UTC Not sure why Germany abandoning the front against Russia to invade EDI is not interrupted as trying to eliminate me, but me retaking EDI is stabbing Germany. ??
30 Apr 15 UTC Not sure if you're being facetious or truly don't understand how games flow, so I'll give a quick explanation in case the latter is true. When Germany took Edi (and you first took Bel) in Autumn 1904, there WAS no front against Russia to abandon. Russia was at 9 SC's and concentrating on the southern part of the map, Austria still had a chance to defend, and you two were fighting and taking SC's from each other; that's part of normal game play -- I would interpret that as Germany trying to eliminate you, and vice versa. When you took Bel and Edi in 1907, Russia was clearly dominant and a threat to solo, Germany recognized that and tried to form a stalemate line. You stab Germany, the stalemate collapses, and Russia wins. That's the difference, hope this helps.

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Russia
podium (498 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 70 D
20 supply-centers, 17 units
France
genghiz (13352 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
AlexNesta (239 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
3 supply-centers, 4 units
Turkey
Zmaj (215 D (B))
Survived. Bet: 10 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Austria
pjmansfield99 (127 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
England
VirtualBob (242 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
Sherincall (326 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
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