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Finished: 08 PM Sun 03 Aug 14 UTC
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16 hours /phase
Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1904, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
26 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1901: Does that mean that if I am familiar with the tendencies of an opponent, I can't act based upon that knowledge?

Or does that mean that if my experience in past games taught me which other country (not person), is best suited to ally with, I should disregard that too?

It's difficult to ignore what we've learned, and think maybe I understand what you mean, but perhaps a specific example would help me.

Thanks
26 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1901: Or maybe you mean not to share what we've learned in past games about a player with other players. That makes sense I suppose.
26 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1901: I think everyone here, or at least those I've played with, are experienced enough to not carry old stabbing around, etc. should be a really good game
26 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1901: If someone in this game has stabbed me in the past, I shouldn't base my moves on revenge. Is that the gist of the rule?

Because I was going to say, the site has player stats, reliability rating, etc, per player.

It doesn't have my actual board game stats though, which I love to remind people, are quite impressive. Ooooooh. Aaaaaah.

That's how old I am. I played this with a board and little fleets and armies. So old. Ugh.
26 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1901: If someone in this game has stabbed me in the past, I shouldn't base my moves on revenge. Is that the gist of the rule?

Yes
26 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1901: Pretty much everything else you mentioned is, as you said, not unlearnable.
26 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1901: No retribution for past games. Got it. Thanks.

What a shame. I've never seen Germany, Austria or Italy do well when any of the 3 fight one another. And I'd love to see what success they could have when all 3 work together. Maybe next time.

Cheers to lots of stalemates while the edge countries grow strong.

I now predict a France - Turkey final two.
26 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1901: Italy has a mind of its own and his will shall be crushed
26 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1901: Italy also has a bowl cut
27 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1901: Italy is also pretty clearly basing his moves after a desire for revenge against Germany for something, perhaps a previous game. Maybe it's an a old girlfriend thing.

I voted Cancel.
27 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1901: Can't be, Italy doesn't like girls
27 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1901: Or you, apparently. He went after you with reckless abandon. And without regard to the fact that he wasn't going to take any of your SC.

Which makes me wonder what he wants more? To win, or for you to lose?
28 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Geeze. I guess England and France aren't all that excited about our new jobs.
28 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: France got a new job too!
28 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Yeah, this is a waste of time. First Italy says to me, "Oh hey, yes, I want an alliance and let's be friends. Sorry if it looked like I was attacking you. That was unintentional. England and France miss 2 turns in a row. Like I said after the first move, Cancel and start over.
28 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: The chips didn't fall Italy's way once France was come. Don t buy into the back pedal!
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: First I thought, "maybe this is gamesmanship?" Then I saw the extremely fruitless moves and realized it's not. He might need medical attention.

Thankfully he turned west. It doesn't matter to me.

I'm going down in a few moves anyhow. I was unlucky enough to draw Austria nearby 2 of 3 players who actually cared to play and now as opponents.

This game is a complete joke. Final check in for me. Germany, of you want any of my SC's I will hold them off as long as possible and walk out if you can get there before Turkey and Russia do.

I love the "integrity of the game" lecture followed by 2 straight no-shows. Classic.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Oh. Actually he "left the game". He's serious about the integrity of the game thing and not basing moves in revenge.

How do I leave a game? Just not show up for a couple of turns?
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Yes, if you miss two turns you are removed from the game.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: But please make this move before you decide to quit, if you do.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Of course I decide to quit. This was a total joke from the start.

Let me know if you find some dudes who want to play and understand the concept of things like, 1 space at a time and 2 beats 1 and 3 beats 2 and 1 versus 1 is a stalemate. Game isn't complicated but apparently moreso than I thought.

Sorry to you dudes. I've been up since 3:30 am and in rental cars or airports since. A bit tired.

Btw, the "integrity of the game" is ruined by the internet. Try looking someone in the eye before you stab them in the back. Or zoning out for a day and half and forgetting to negotiate/collaborate. The real game is face to face. This internet shit is for pussies.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: I understand.

Can you make this move real quick? Then stop playing. Your the only one with a move right now.

Other nations, should we cancel this game and start anew? I don't care too much either way.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: I don't care. It's pretty much a race for the vacant players territories. A draw or cancel is fine with me
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Or we could keep playing and watch the Ottomans sack Europe.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Austria, you didn't have to join the dicks. You could have made that simple move real quick and then stopped.

Let the rest of us decide whether or not we want to continue.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: I vote we keep playing. If for nothing else, to maintain the tradition of spite that has spread across Europe.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: I vote we keep playing too. Four way free for all.
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: I'm good
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: Why is Austria taking his butthurtness out on those who stayed in the game?
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: He's trying to leave the game. I guess the only way to do that is to miss two turns.
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1902: He is very butthurt though.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1903: Let's just end this and start a new one.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1903: Let's finish Austria off first. He doesn't deserve a draw
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1903: ok.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1903: After Austria misses this next turn, I'm pretty sure he'll be removed from the game automatically.
although I now see that he won't have any units anyway.
31 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1903: Are we going to draw?
31 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1903: Are we going to draw?
01 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1903: I just voted to draw.
01 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1904: Yo, Germany and Russia, let's start anew.

This game is FUBAR.
01 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1904: Sooooo, we're moving forward? Am I talking to myself?

Anyone there?

The game really has lost its integrity.
01 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1904: Does Turkey have nukes?
01 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1904: No they are still the sick man of Europe
01 Aug 14 UTC Yo, Russia. You just told me you were going to draw.

I'm sure you'd like to play since you are the main benefactor from the quitters, but the game really isn't a game when nearly half of the players walk away.
01 Aug 14 UTC Fight it out quitters
01 Aug 14 UTC What are ya Turkey....yella???
02 Aug 14 UTC Ha. Germany, you just suggested a draw prior to last move because we had three countries quit?

All three of you suggested a draw. Now that you benefit from the abandoned countries you change you mind?
That's weak.
02 Aug 14 UTC Hold up!!!

Italy and I missed a move because you said we were drawing after Austria was out. You can't seriously say you are going to "fight it out" after that. . This game is over. It's a draw.

Start a new one. Let's go.
02 Aug 14 UTC Russia never quit so I wasn't either.
02 Aug 14 UTC Check Russia's text messages. He agreed to draw.

That's pretty effed up that you'd agree to draw, but when both Italy and Turkey don't move as a result of that agreement and you make gains you decide to keep playing.
02 Aug 14 UTC Could you complain just a little bit more? A draw is a draw right?

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Russia
77thinfantry (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 35 D
12 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
ButchPlease (184 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 35 D
10 supply-centers, 8 units
Turkey
bschluep (57 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 35 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
bamasam09 (346 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 35 D
4 supply-centers, 7 units
France
PKissinger (312 D)
Resigned. Bet: 20 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
England
dwhorton (141 D)
Resigned. Bet: 20 D
0 supply-centers, 2 units
Austria
aschluep (257 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
aschluep (257 D)Austria (Spring, 1903) with 2 centres.
PKissinger (312 D)France (Spring, 1902) with 5 centres.
dwhorton (141 D)England (Spring, 1902) with 3 centres.
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