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13 Jun 14 UTC	lol. Great game, NoFog!! Lando, why do you and I always seem to go head to head? SplitDiplomat, congrats on surviving. Yakoska, glad to make your acquaintance in this way. :-) Good game all.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Well done NoFog. Sucks that England skipped a few turns and didn't try to stop your expansion.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Gg. Long live to the United Republic of Ireland!:)
13 Jun 14 UTC	...guarded by the British navy,I forgot! Britain's nmr's were irrelevant,he was worse while he was playing. Italy had the solo anyways. I helped it by a terrible play as well. The same as all nine of us,you can't say who was more awfull. Congrats Fog!
13 Jun 14 UTC	I did not skip it - I couldn't fight Italy with Ukraine on my back, so I didn't see the point of wasting time. So thank you Lando for ruining the game, hope you are happy with your gains in Northern Russia.
13 Jun 14 UTC	GJ NoFog...
13 Jun 14 UTC	England - in Autumn 2007 you and Ukraine refrain from attacking each other and Italy is getting out of control and is a clear solo threat. Spain is on the ropes. What moves do you submit in 2008? You attack Ukraine and refrain from moving ships southwest to establish a stalemate line for when Italy breaks through against Spain.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Ukraine does not resume attacking you in 2008 or 2009 however. Then in Autumn of 2009 when Italy is starting to move North in the West you have a NMR. At that point the solo could still have been stopped. After that turn he had too much position against you.
13 Jun 14 UTC	He does attack you the turn after the NMR, presumably out of fear that you would continue to NMR and in hopes of maybe somehow being able to get enough fleets out there to pull off a miracle. Using "Ukraine on my back" as an excuse for your NMR doesn't fly.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Turkey you got it all wrong. We were fighting, then we stopped. Then I have lost an SC to Spain, so I needed to disband a unit. And I disbanded one next to Ukrainian boarder assuming he is not blind or stupid, so he knows it is last moment to put grudges aside. And in this very situation he attacked me. I repeat I disbanded a unit on his boarder to make my intentions clear and he decided to stab me. This is what I blame him for. True I kept fighting Ukraine a couple of turns after that, my mistake - should have just give it to Italy at the very moment Ukraine stabbed me.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Thanks for the great game! It was fun playing Italy, I had to deal with all players but Russia early on. Playing a two-front-game (Spain & Turkey) was also quite challenging. Though resistance was a bit low in the late game tbh.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Here are my comments on the game: Spain: I think, it was an error to stab France. Your new troops took too long to get into position. Even me losing Munich to France the same year turned out to be the best that could happen: it gave France the possibility to take revenge on you and thus ensure me getting all French SCs. Spanish-Italian British Isles :-) Russia: You never got into game. Thanks for your “survive-attack” on Turkey in 2002 which gave me a huge momentum against a then east-moving Turkey. ;-) Turkey (& Egypt): I dreamed of a perpetual Egypt-Turkey-War, so I could stay more or less neutral and focus on elsewhere. Unfortunately you turned hostile and it went down-hill for Egypt after 1999. But luckily dying Russia moved south and forced you to turn east. Finally I was able to resolve my two-front-war-problem by establishing a stalemate line with you in 2005. Basically your job was done then.
13 Jun 14 UTC	France: Sorry for the stab. I felt like, it would be too risky to let you have more armies in my north after you teamed up with Spain. Ukraine: I saw you as the first one who started to work against me to stop the solo threat (with this crazy army fighting in and around Saxony ;-) ). So I feared the motivation of your Spring 2010 attack on St. Petersburg was to give Ukraine the possibility to disband an army in Spring, so he could build a fleet after you retreat back to Gorky in Autumn. Luckily all that didn’t come true.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Germany & Poland: I have to admit that from the mid-game on I considered you as Minor Puppet states, whose job it was, to keep England and Ukraine away from me. In the late game it was fun to see how easily I could take territories which were between Germany and Poland or Poland and Ukraine, because cooperation between you was quite low.
13 Jun 14 UTC	England: I liked the idea of England luring Spain into Mediterranean Sea with the Gibraltar fleet. I didn’t understand why you started that attack on Poland in 2003 (in which Poland did a great guessing job) given your options in Russia. In Spring 2003 I’d rather expected you to convoy your army from Lapland to Urals and start a strong campaign against Ukraine (taking Moscow etc.). Latest in 2008 you should have gotten into position to stop my fleets which were sailing around Spain. You needed to trust Ukraine to not stab you. In 2009 you should have disband Murmansk and St. Petersburg, again hoping for Ukraine to not stab you. You needed fleets against me. Not doing so, reduced your chances for the draw, whether or not there is a stab. (I’m even not sure, whether it was an Ukrainian stab or a misunderstanding in 2010 (Lando is actually a good Gunboater).)
13 Jun 14 UTC	Italy - thanks for your input, I find your analysis very insightful. I have only one thing to add. You asked me why I decided to attack Poland? The answer is in line with your observations - in 2002: - I considered Ukraine my natural ally and didn't intend to go any further then Gorky - I considered Poland and Germany too small to servive, so I figured we (major powers, ie. Ukraine and me) need to take them over before, you reach for their SCs as an easy target. Ukraine didn't join this game (probably felt threatened byt my armies in the North), I don't blame him for this. He took Gorky and tried to reach further in the North - I don't blame him for this eather. But attacking me in stituation I am disbanding my unit next his boarder - that was game ender. What were you expeting Ukraine?
13 Jun 14 UTC	England, he did not attack you (once he stopped attacking you early) until immediately following the turn where you went NMR. Go scroll through the turns and you can see. He even did not attack you the turn immediately following the one where you did attack his units (which all just defended that turn and the next). You are making things up and/or misremembering what actually happened. This game was very frustrating for me as Italy and I had a stalemate line established early on that neither of us could break which left me stuck in the corner with nothing to do but watch most of the rest of you fail to cooperate to stop Italy.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Turkey, stop making things up - go and check Autumn 2009 - Spring 2010. There was no NMR in disbanding phase, I disbanded Barents on purpose to send a messege. The answer was an attack on Murmansk and St. P.
13 Jun 14 UTC	Autumn 2009 is your NMR. Spring 2010 is when he attacked you. In 2007 and 2008 he did not attack you even though you did attack him one of those turns. Not moving your units south and west in Autumn 2009 (in fact not moving at all) made the solo almost a certainty. Really your units should have been moving that way in 2008. By then there was only one country that was a threat to solo and you could not be cut out of the draw without giving him that solo so no risk to you in setting up the stalemate line in southwest at that time.
13 Jun 14 UTC	I have said it already, I repeat (last time) for you Turkey: disband Autumn 2009 was no NMR.