Finished: 09 PM Thu 24 Sep 09 UTC
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Pot: 722 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by renate (430 D)
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: And since you're trying to prove something, you might delay the game for the sole purpose of letting Turkey take Paris. There is little point in that though. One can always pull out of a territory and allow an ally to take it (IE: KIEL)
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: Actually, scratch that, even with Russia taking Paris, he's not guaranteed the game.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: It's just likely
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: You could move West Med->MAO right away, that would speed up France's demise. You can convoy through Gulf of Lyon.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: wait a minute if I Know all the efforts are on gascony then i can just not support hold at brest and instead hold gascony for one more turn while they invade liverpool and edinburg you seem more easily fucked than me, at least i have options to delay
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: this is providing neither of them stabs the other, and that they bypass me and go for you
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: by the end of this turn i might still have two scs whereas you will only have one
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: Nope, you don't. Your support can be cut from MAO.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: At the end of this turn, you should still have all 3 of your SCs.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: But by next Fall, you'll be dead.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: If they know what they're doing, we both should be.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: In summary:
Next turn:
Turkey takes Port from Spain and convoys an army to Spain and puts fleet in MAO (from West Med). You can't stop any of that.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: Turn After, you lose Gascony due to 3 on 2 (MAO, Mars support Spain)
Turn after that you lose Brest to MAO Gas combo and Paris to Pic Bur combo.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: Unstoppable
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: They CAN do something else, but then they're just maneuvering so Turkey takes Paris.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: And then, at that, they're really just toying with you.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: Sorry dude.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: I also would also think that it could be possible that Turkey could say to Russia, "Those orders look interesting, let's try that".
Then Russia would say, "No, do it my way"
If Turkey takes a stand to do something different than what Russia wants, Russia will take Austria for the win.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: Prove me wrong.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: The beauty of those moves is that even though Russia and Turkey force France to disband on turn 3, it is the Spring and Russia COULD back out of Paris for Turkey to take for turn 4, but Russia, being who he is would Never act so selflessly.
Prove me wrong.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: he has to be in MAO first
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: He can move there from West Med this turn. Doesn't need it to convoy.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: If he tries to attack Paris with Bur supported by Pic he opens himself up to have Pic displaced and disbanded. If he leads with Pic, it it easily countered.
02 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1907: I dare Russia to lay out a different plan in an oppen channel. It must be better than mine (win in less than 3 moves). I guarantee I can offer France a defence.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: HAHAHA!!! You didn't convoy to Spain!!!!!
Now you can't attack from Spain and be guaranteed victory. Granted, France has to choose which to lose, Gas or Paris, but if you had another army, there would be no choice. Here's to following blindly!
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: France still dead in 2 turns
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: And IF you move from MAO to English channel, France lives but you'll have directed 5 fleets to take on my 1. If you do this, you've just proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're on a vendetta against me, vs actually playing the game.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: So seriously? Is that it? Can't beat me in a 4 on 1?
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: And WHAT THE??? You Used Clyde to secure Edi????
HAHAHAH!!!
There was NO WAY you needed to do that!
You should have taken Liverpool!!!!

BESM, you can't write orders worth a damn.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: Why didn't you convoy, or support the move to Spain from Mar? If Gas had attacked Spain, then there would have been a bounce and Frace would be no worse off than he is now.
Seriouly, you did that just to show me that there was another way, albiet one that could have been countered? You cannot win by next move, so this tactic is definately not better.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: And if France had attacked Bur supported by Gas, you would have been forced to retreat. Learning anything, BESM?
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: Dear England, you really do ramble on. You are down two more centers this move. YOu are going to lose move soon. You have cleverlyl stuck you fleet where it can't do anything. You have demonstrated poor tactical and diplomatic skills. But the worst thing of all is that you have absolutely no sense of humor or decorum. Bad style for a looooooozer to try to tell other people what to do.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: By the way, rather than writing so much drivle, you might want to think about which single unit you're not going to destroy after these moves. If You had asked, I would have suggested not moving Den to see what was open in for your retreat or movinig to Nth to supt or attack sommething. Still, you are so smart, you stuck that fleet exactly where I was hoping to move it.. Great job.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: You didn't have to attack Denmark this turn. I'm vastly outnumbered. It was dead unless I took a risk. No regrets. Must be nice to have options.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: And just because you're able to predict something, does not make it wrong. If there's a sports game (take your pick), and you predict the loser - are they wrong for trying?
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I really don't have a bad sense of humour. I'm laughing at your mutual hold in Ven-Bud!!!! Why bother? He can't 2-1 any of them!!
PS: You still haven't proven your point.
02 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I guess you are right. Hope you are able to enlighten other players in other games and eventually end with more the 100 points. thank you for donating to this game. You still didnn't tell me why baltic was better than just waiting to retreat or going to Nth. Still, you are consistly ignorant of much other than what you think you know. So I am tired of bothering you. Goodbye. Will be best when you are gone from the game.
03 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: The Czarina is running a pool on which unit the brilliant queen of england will be leaving on the board after the builds. Please submit your guess to NoMorePink.com.
03 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I moved to Baltic since there was a chance you would move Kiel to Denmark. Just a chance though. Then Berlin would have been vulnerable. See, not so dumb.
03 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I see you still did the mutual Vic-Bud hold, even though it's a give-away to your skill level.
03 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I have called you out. You did not meet my challenge. BESM, know that when we meet next I will wipe the board with you.
03 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I look forward to it. But I hope they have adjusted your meds by then. Good luck though. I don't what challenge andI don't know why you seems so angry or undiplomatic. Nor do I understand why you still think Baltic was a good idea. I guess you skill leve is beyond me. More good luck.
03 Oct 09 UTC Autumn, 1907: I do look forward to the 3 exploding English pieces.
03 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1908: I don't even think you realize what's wrong with your strategies and movements.
If you are "teaching" Turkey how to play the game, you're doing an extremely poor job of it.
You've unnecessarily diverted units away from France to attack me.
France will be around another 2 turns now because you couldn't mount an effective strategy against him, when I _gave_ you one.
Of course I'm dead. It was 13-5. You shouldn't be so proud of that victory, it's not hard.
Nothing I've seen you do is hard, tricky or particularly intelligent or strategic. I can justify all my moves. You're still doing pointless mutual holds. Big talk, but you've got nothing.
You probably don't think convoying units is ever a good idea.
Why you told Turkey to go to the Irish Sea this turn from MAO instead of the English Channel is beyond me.
I'd like to talk strategy with you, BESM, and I've tried, but you're just not capable. For the love of God, drop the Teacher facade, that's why I'm pissed at you. Don't give the profession a bad name by pretending to be one.
03 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1908: Did you say something?
03 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1908: I call on everyone to celebrate the passing of the English player from the game. I speak fondly of a player of such diplomatic and tactical skill that he has managed to get himself elminiated from the game. A genius in his own mind, he shall always be in mine as a shining example of what happens when patients don't take their anger management medictions. I wish him luck in his other games.
03 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1908: Oh look, Turkey just took Rum and Bre and will take Lon this move. 18 units for the win. Nice game everyone. Nice survivall France. Nice death England.
04 Oct 09 UTC Goodbye England. Wish I could say it was fun, but you reallly are the poorest loser and almost the poorest player I've met on this site. Grow up and learn to play.
04 Oct 09 UTC goodbye and good luck to all.
04 Oct 09 UTC Dateline London: Queen Pocina I spoke defiantly in the fact of the ovwhelming Russian and Turkish forces at her palace gate. "They can my country when they pry the last pink piece from my cold dead body."
Russian Commanders replied, "We can arrange that."

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Turkey
renate (430 D)
Won. Bet: 100 D, won: 383 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
Russia
BESM (18622 D)
Survived. Bet: 100 D, won: 319 D
15 supply-centers, 16 units
France
Survived. Bet: 100 D, won: 22 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
England
poco_mike (129 D)
Survived. Bet: 100 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Austria
Apexion (180 D)
Defeated. Bet: 22 D
Italy
da (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Germany
Tinkerbull (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Civil Disorders
The_Master_Warrior (10 D)Austria (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
da (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1904) with 3 centres.
Tinkerbull (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1903) with 0 centres.
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