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Finished: 02 PM Sun 20 Jan 13 UTC
Private Fall/Autumn 2012 : League A* - Game 3b
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1915, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
24 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Umad?
24 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: dontbemadbra
24 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: IBRAGIN...or I was, anyway, lol...

It looked to be a good Niners/Seahawks shouting war in the bar, but the Niners side got quieted quickly, and by the end of the 3rd, it was a Seahawks bar...sadness...
24 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: wow I really kicked both your asses this turn austria and russia.
24 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Hey now, the Bengals have their second straight 500 season and secured a playoff spot also for the second straight year! Andy Dalton and AJ Green make a pretty good team!
25 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Yeah, kudos Turkey.

We're all very proud of the Bengals, but the Seahawks are better, so not really.
25 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: ho ho ho Merry Xmas
26 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Well played turkey, I have to admit.
26 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Did I seriously just do that.
26 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: ?!
26 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Russia is such a fool! hehehehehehehe
26 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: That's what I get for entering orders on my phone. Damn Christmas, ruining my diplomacy. Bah! Humbug!
27 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Maybe you should die and decrease the surplus population.
27 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Awww, that's so sweet.
28 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I bet Austria wishes he had helped keep Italy off of me after all. Then I might still be fighting and able to help him. Alas, he was selfish and now he dies.
28 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: And it only took nine years for something to happen in the East... Ugh.
28 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I bet France wishes he had helped keep England off of me after all. Then I still might be fighting and able to help him. Alas, he was selfish and now he dies.
28 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: lol
28 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: LOL! Touche Germany!
28 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: ;) Heh. alright so what kind of crazy solo is Austria gunna pull out from this point.
29 Dec 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I predict 3-way draw: ERI.
30 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1910: In all fairness Draug, I was caught up in a mess in the east, and I didn't think it made sense to embroil myself with Italy as well. Looking back, though, you are correct, I should have just bit the bullet.
30 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1910: It was still a fun game and Alderian played me.perfectly. I really thought he and I would stand side by side at the end then he stabbed.
31 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1910: I really enjoy the English/Russian alliance and this Russia was up for it too.
31 Dec 12 UTC Spring, 1910: Yeah, I had never tried it before, it was fun and different.
01 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1910: Holy shit! Poor Austria just got gang raped up the ass!
01 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: watch your mouth kiddo!
01 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: 'scuse me? I turn 47 years old in a couple weeks. I ain't no fucking kiddo! ;-)
02 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: History repeats itself. I have to fight another circus.
02 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1910: And I misordered again.
04 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1911: the devil is amongst us.
I kick ass for the lord!
10 Jan 13 UTC Spring, 1913: At this point I would like to congratulate obi for soloing the game.
Nobody expected that. Probably not even he.
Remember I told so Jan 10 and don't complain when it's a done reality :P
14 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I want to publicly thank Italy.
Your lack of diplomatic skills proves that after all luck does play a role in diplomacy!
:-)
15 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: Damn I wish I could +1 global posts! That was so perfect!
15 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I talk quite a bit on the forums, people don't care for it...
I'm more reserved in-game, people don't care for it...

Well, I suppose I SHOULD break my silence and ask--

Once the Turkey's finished, are we all ready to stick a fork in this one and call it done?
15 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: *I* am perfectly happy to...
15 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I love it when people come to peace due to me.
It's something like the quality of the winner gives worth to the defeat but in this case it's the quality of the defeated that will give value to the lousy 3 way draw.
You have all proven yourselves. You all had your chance to a solo but you were to cowards to perform it.
I leave the game with pleasure cause at some point I maneuvred each and every one of you despite my many stabs to all of you (blame your lack of communication for that) while causing the death of austria.
some people get the draw some others are calling the shots. I prefer being the leader than the winner.
last but not least that's the last game I play with obi. [last league game will be of no importance with regards to what country we play or not. call it metagaming I don't give a fuck]
Argo fuck yourself!
15 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I am planning on drawing once we are down to three and collecting my 4 league points.

Hindsight it is easy to see where we had opportunities to solo. For myself, I could have pushed towards an E/R/A triplet instead of E/R/I which might have allowed me to get Tunis. But who knows how that would have played out?
15 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: hmm so after autumn 1910 when austria got eliminated you played 8 turns to eliminate me and now it's over. Can't really call that a good game :P
16 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: Yeah. I've enjoyed the leagues a good bit, but the structure really encourages games like this.

And the webdip system already encourages games like this. I'd like to try a 0 point game which doesn't count against your stats or GR (only creatable by experienced players) and a hardcore WTA game where the eliminated are included in the draw (but CD countries are not) to see if either or both of those encourage more exciting games.
16 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I'm ready to draw too.

I'm definitely going to agree about the leagues, it's not that special of a system, and the games haven't bee as great as I had hoped.
16 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I think a number of people who didn't belong in A*/Premiere got put here. In fact, I would say some of those in A deserve A* more than a few here. I would probably have gotten dropped to A or B if I hadn't win an A league last season guaranteeing my promotion. But this proves GR doesn't mean shit to real skill as the holes were filled by GR.
16 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: I don't think all of the holes were filled by GR, I think several of them were filled by people with previous league experience who hadn't earned the promotions.
16 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: Not playing all four games with the same six others definitely killed the leagues for me this year. I'm encouraging ora to go back to the 7 player one but with more demotions so that the top level (A*/Premiere) only has one person repeat: the winner. And have two A leagues with 3 promotions each for the 6 demotions and 3 demotions from each of the A leagues filled by 2 promotions from each of 3 b leagues so only 1 person from each A league stays. I think the guaranteed demotion if you don't win premiere will make it more interesting and reduce the metagaming that drove the players better than most of us away.
16 Jan 13 UTC Autumn, 1914: imagine a football league with teams playing random teams instead of one another.
It's just stupid. League requires at least some metagaming. Otherwise you can call it a cup but not league. In any case I m going to kill obi in the last game.
18 Jan 13 UTC So we draw now?
18 Jan 13 UTC We may not get a chance to "Get Obi" or "Kill Obi vol. 1&2" as he still hasn't joined game 4 despite *two* PMs to the chicken shit. Hey Obi! You don't join and you will just get banned from next seasons leagues. That's always been the punishment in the past fro dropping from the leagues mid season.
18 Jan 13 UTC I have voted draw.
18 Jan 13 UTC Please do kill him in game 4. I'm adding him to my personal blacklist. That was awful.
19 Jan 13 UTC Oh, well, that's not fair...

First, I'm not the one holding up Game 4 (well, not anymore, I joined, and one person has yet to) and second...

Your personal blacklist?

For WHAT?
I drew, as promised, and while in the lead at that...
I took Ankara, but whatever, you drew and got your share anyway, does that really matter?
Really? O.o

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Italy
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
14 supply-centers, 13 units
England
Alderian (2425 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Russia
ghug (5068 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Austria
Zachattack413 (1231 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
WarLegend (673 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
hellalt (113 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
France
Draugnar (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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