Commander Steele

Profile Information

  • Last visited: 26 Oct 15 UTC
  • Joined: 25 Feb 14 UTC


Ranking Info Help

    PointsD:
  • Available: 100
  • In play: 0
  • Total: 100
  • Ghost Rating Overall:
  • Rating: 160
  • Peak: 189
  • Position: 1,816
  • Ghost Rating Live:
  • Rating: 146
  • Peak: 173
  • Position: 440
  • Ghost Rating Gunboat:
  • Rating: 98
  • Peak: 120
  • Position: 12,828


Game Stats
  • All Game stats:
  • Game messages: 5,094

  • Won: 7 ( 6% )
  • Drawn: 47 ( 39% )
  • Survived: 12 ( 10% )
  • Defeated: 41 ( 34% )
  • Resigned: 13 ( 11% )
  • Total (finished): 120

  • Civil disorder: 54
  • Civil disorders taken over: 2
  • Classic:
  • Won: 7 ( 6% )
  • Drawn: 47 ( 40% )
  • Survived: 12 ( 10% )
  • Defeated: 40 ( 34% )
  • Resigned: 12 ( 10% )
  • Total (finished): 118
  • Classic Press:
  • Won: 5 ( 7% )
  • Drawn: 31 ( 42% )
  • Survived: 6 ( 8% )
  • Defeated: 22 ( 30% )
  • Resigned: 10 ( 14% )
  • Total (finished): 74
  • Classic Gunboat:
  • Won: 2 ( 5% )
  • Drawn: 16 ( 36% )
  • Survived: 6 ( 14% )
  • Defeated: 18 ( 41% )
  • Resigned: 2 ( 5% )
  • Total (finished): 44
  • Classic Ranked:
  • Won: 7 ( 6% )
  • Drawn: 47 ( 40% )
  • Survived: 12 ( 10% )
  • Defeated: 40 ( 34% )
  • Resigned: 12 ( 10% )
  • Total (finished): 118
  • Variant stats:
  • Defeated: 1 ( 50% )
  • Resigned: 1 ( 50% )
  • Total (finished): 2


Reliability Rating: 100%

Reliability Explained:

What is Reliability?

Reliability is how consistently you avoid interrupting games. Any un-excused missed turns hurt your rating. If you have any un-excused missed turns in the last 4 weeks you will receive an 11% penalty to your RR for each of those delays. It is very important to everyone you are playing with to be reliable but we understand mistakes happen so this extra penalty will drop to 5% after 28 days. All of the un-excused missed turns that negatively impact your rating are highlighted in red below. Excused delays will only negatively impact your base score, seen below. Mod excused delays do not hurt your score in any way.

Live Game: If a game had phases 60 minutes long or less any excused missed turns will only impact your rating for 28 days total. The penalty is the same, 5% long term and 6% short term, except the long term penalty is for 28 days and the short term is for 7 days.
System Excused: If you had an "excused missed turn" left this will be yes and will not cause additional penalties against your rating.
Mod Excused: If a moderator excused the missed turn this field will be yes and will not cause additional penalties against your rating.
Same Period Excused: If you have multiple un-excused missed turns in a 24 hour period you are only penalized once with the exception of live games, if this field is yes it will not cause additional penalties against your rating.

What happens if my rating is low?

Many games are made with a minimum rating requirement so this may impact the quality of games you can enter. If you have more then 3 non-live un-excused missed turns in a year you will begin getting temporarily banned from making new games, joining existing games, or rejoining your own games.

  • 1-3 un-excused delays: warnings
  • 4 un-excused delays: 1-day temp ban
  • 5 un-excused delays: 3-day temp ban
  • 6 un-excused delays: 7-day temp ban
  • 7 un-excused delays: 14-day temp ban
  • 8 un-excused delays: 30-day temp ban
  • 9 or more un-excused delays: infinite, must contact mods for removal
  • Live game excused turns are penalized independently for temporary bans. 1-2 un-excused missed turns in live games will be a warning, and the 3rd, and any after that will result in a 24 hour temp ban. The 2 warnings reset every 28 days resulting in significantly more yearly warnings for live game players then the normal system.


    User relationships

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    • 1. Allow users who have a relationship outside of the server to disclose and register the relationship.

      This lets other players account for possible bias in-game, lets players set their games to exclude close relationships between players, and helps the moderator team ignore otherwise suspicious usage patterns (e.g. a family / school using the same computer / network).
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      This gives the suspected user a chance to explain before needing moderators, allows users to exclude suspected-cheaters from their games, gives an extra mechanism to help moderators identify cheaters by taking the suspicions of many users together, provides a single place where a suspicion can be discussed directly, and allows repeat offenders to be tracked across new accounts and excluded without requiring bans.

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    Commander Steele's games

    Showing results 1 to 20 of 120 total results.

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    Finished: 06 PM Mon 26 Oct 15 UTC
    The Long Knives Night
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 210 D - Spring, 1917, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    England
    simenfur (194D(B))
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    Italy
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    France
    kmdra06 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Germany
    nnfolz (2D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Austria
    Middelfart (1196D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Turkey
    ejb0527 (1012D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Russia
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)Russia (Spring, 1914) with 1 centres.
    ejb0527 (1012D)Turkey (Spring, 1915) with 1 centres.
    Finished: 12 PM Sun 05 Jul 15 UTC
    World War-36
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 105 D - Spring, 1902, Finished
    Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Russia
    Tropico5 (0DX)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    France
    dilmao (0DX)
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Germany
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Italy
    Drawn. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Austria
    EvanInc (102D)
    Drawn. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    England
    nickste89 (1811D)
    Resigned. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Turkey
    vonotar (86D)
    Resigned. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Civil Disorders
    vonotar (86D)Turkey (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    nickste89 (1811D)England (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 05 PM Mon 01 Jun 15 UTC
    The Gunner's Dream-2
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 210 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Chatnoir (1266D)
    France
    Chatnoir (1266D)
    Won. 22 supply-centers, 16 units
    Turkey
    SpaceDip (768D)
    Survived. 10 supply-centers, 13 units
    Austria
    Obscurity (677D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    ejb0527 (1012D)
    Resigned. 0 supply-centers, 1 units
    Italy
    White-rhino (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Germany
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Russia
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)Russia (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
    ThatBuhlLarry (100D)Germany (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
    ejb0527 (1012D)England (Autumn, 1904) with 6 centres.
    White-rhino (100D)Italy (Spring, 1906) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 08 PM Tue 19 May 15 UTC
    Winx-3
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 210 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    England
    cb6000 (100D(S))
    Drawn. 12 supply-centers, 12 units
    Turkey
    Yaniv (1380D(S))
    Drawn. 12 supply-centers, 12 units
    France
    ksindelar (123D)
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 8 units
    Italy
    ND (879D)
    Drawn. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    Germany
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Austria
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Russia
    raz_mataz13 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 30D
    Finished: 04 PM Tue 19 May 15 UTC
    Afternoon Gunboat-6
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 82 D - Spring, 1922, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    Austria
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Drawn. 10 supply-centers, 9 units
    Italy
    grtek (610D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    England
    svitank (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 2D
    Germany
    Miguel1612 (286D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Turkey
    Gabbie (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Russia
    ChippeRock (2554D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Civil Disorders
    Miguel1612 (286D)Germany (Autumn, 1909) with 2 centres.
    Ron_Swanson (100D)Russia (Spring, 1906) with 10 centres.
    ChippeRock (2554D)Russia (Autumn, 1916) with 0 centres.
    Gabbie (100D)Turkey (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 04 PM Mon 18 May 15 UTC
    Live Gunboat-391
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Russia
    The Czech (41800D(S))
    Drawn. 14 supply-centers, 14 units
    Italy
    Drawn. 9 supply-centers, 8 units
    France
    Yaniv (1380D(S))
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 6 units
    England
    Drawn. 3 supply-centers, 4 units
    Turkey
    quarryman (5466D)
    Drawn. 1 supply-centers, 2 units
    Germany
    starlord (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Austria
    curtis (8870D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Civil Disorders
    starlord (100D)Germany (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 12 PM Mon 18 May 15 UTC
    Live Gunboat-390
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Zmaj (215D(B))
    Italy
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 17 units
    England
    ejb0527 (1012D)
    Survived. 14 supply-centers, 15 units
    France
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Russia
    Dharmaton (2398D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Germany
    giorgio. (3634D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Austria
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Turkey
    Ron_Swanson (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)Austria (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
    Finished: 10 AM Sat 16 May 15 UTC
    Live afternoon-5
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by quarryman (5466D)
    Germany
    quarryman (5466D)
    Won. 20 supply-centers, 15 units
    Turkey
    zsspanther (230D)
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 4 units
    Italy
    boylee (2103D)
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 4 units
    Austria
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    MichiganMan (5121D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Russia
    Yaniv (1380D(S))
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Finished: 07 PM Fri 15 May 15 UTC
    Fast Europe-416
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1906, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Italy
    Arminius (1514D)
    Drawn. 11 supply-centers, 12 units
    Russia
    boylee (2103D)
    Drawn. 9 supply-centers, 7 units
    Germany
    Strauss (1872D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    SpaceDip (768D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 6 units
    England
    Ben K (383D)
    Resigned. 2 supply-centers, 3 units
    Austria
    ChippeRock (2554D)
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Turkey
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)Turkey (Spring, 1903) with 2 centres.
    Ben K (383D)England (Autumn, 1906) with 2 centres.
    Finished: 06 PM Wed 13 May 15 UTC
    live gunboat-386
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by bagatur (1598D)
    Germany
    bagatur (1598D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 15 units
    Austria
    WalterWhite (100D)
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Turkey
    Strauss (1872D)
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Italy
    Arminius (1514D)
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 5 units
    England
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    France
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Russia
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Finished: 08 PM Mon 11 May 15 UTC
    gunboat happy stabby time
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 8 units
    Italy
    Valis2501 (2850D(G))
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 8 units
    Germany
    horse (263D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    Turkey
    wjessop (100DX)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    England
    nikhil (908D)
    Resigned. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Austria
    ChippeRock (2554D)
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Russia
    Defeated. Bet: 20D
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)Russia (Spring, 1902) with 4 centres.
    nikhil (908D)England (Autumn, 1906) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 06 PM Mon 11 May 15 UTC
    half past
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 245 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Russia
    naked (4955D)
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 8 units
    Germany
    shwinny (100D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    France
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Italy
    wjessop (100DX)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Turkey
    ChippeRock (2554D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    England
    Drawn. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Austria
    TheNo (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 35D
    Civil Disorders
    TheNo (100D)Austria (Spring, 1903) with 1 centres.
    Finished: 02 PM Mon 11 May 15 UTC
    Gentleman's Club
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 198 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by carne (490D)
    Turkey
    carne (490D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 17 units
    France
    Survived. 14 supply-centers, 15 units
    Italy
    cb6000 (100D(S))
    Resigned. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    BigEgo (0DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Germany
    psychosis (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 23D
    Austria
    wjessop (100DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Russia
    wawlam59 (0DX)
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Civil Disorders
    wawlam59 (0DX)Russia (Spring, 1906) with 1 centres.
    cb6000 (100D(S))Italy (Autumn, 1909) with 3 centres.
    LannisterLion (100D)Germany (Autumn, 1906) with 11 centres.
    BigEgo (0DX)England (Spring, 1903) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 10 AM Mon 11 May 15 UTC
    Live Game -- 1 more needed!
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 245 D - Autumn, 1904, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Austria
    wjessop (100DX)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 6 units
    Germany
    cb6000 (100D(S))
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Turkey
    eliwhitney (107D(G))
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    JamesYanik (548D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Russia
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    England
    ChippeRock (2554D)
    Resigned. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Italy
    Bobua (100D)
    Resigned. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Civil Disorders
    Bobua (100D)Italy (Spring, 1904) with 2 centres.
    ChippeRock (2554D)England (Autumn, 1904) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 04 PM Fri 08 May 15 UTC
    Neon Hotel
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 245 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Bohonk (1918D)
    France
    Bohonk (1918D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 17 units
    Russia
    Tutti (545D)
    Survived. 9 supply-centers, 9 units
    Turkey
    frohman (0DX)
    Survived. 5 supply-centers, 4 units
    Italy
    Resigned. 2 supply-centers, 3 units
    England
    Zmaj (215D(B))
    Defeated. Bet: 35D
    Germany
    nikhil (908D)
    Defeated. Bet: 35D
    Austria
    Defeated. Bet: 35D
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)Austria (Autumn, 1902) with 1 centres.
    Kruschtschow (96D)Italy (Autumn, 1910) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 08 PM Wed 06 May 15 UTC
    Live-224
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 140 D - Spring, 1902, Finished
    Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    yth1983 (203D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Germany
    Ranscott47 (2874D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Austria
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Turkey
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Italy
    Drawn. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    England
    Resigned. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Russia
    nickste89 (1811D)
    Resigned. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Civil Disorders
    Commander Steele (100D)England (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    nickste89 (1811D)Russia (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 06 PM Mon 04 May 15 UTC
    Quckfire
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1910, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Germany
    eliwhitney (107D(G))
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 13 units
    Turkey
    MichiganMan (5121D)
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 16 units
    Italy
    ejb0527 (1012D)
    Resigned. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    France
    lambda (2128D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Austria
    ANIMUS123 (156D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Russia
    Niven (138D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5D
    Civil Disorders
    lambda (2128D)France (Autumn, 1905) with 0 centres.
    Commander Steele (100D)England (Autumn, 1908) with 0 centres.
    ejb0527 (1012D)Italy (Autumn, 1908) with 6 centres.
    ANIMUS123 (156D)Austria (Autumn, 1905) with 0 centres.
    Finished: 08 PM Fri 01 May 15 UTC
    Live-223
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Hellenic Riot (1626D(G))
    France
    Hellenic Riot (1626D(G))
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 14 units
    Russia
    Polemarch (202D)
    Survived. 8 supply-centers, 12 units
    Turkey
    Survived. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Germany
    Strauss (1872D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    England
    Dharmaton (2398D)
    Resigned. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    Italy
    Niven (138D)
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Austria
    Ron_Swanson (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Civil Disorders
    Dharmaton (2398D)England (Spring, 1904) with 4 centres.
    Niven (138D)Italy (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
    Finished: 03 PM Fri 01 May 15 UTC
    Pattontastic-3
    5 minutes /phase
    Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1906, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Arminius (1514D)
    Italy
    Arminius (1514D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 14 units
    Germany
    PedroGoneto (100D)
    Survived. 10 supply-centers, 9 units
    England
    Ra_Ishtar (100D)
    Survived. 0 supply-centers, 1 units
    Russia
    mrbagina (100D)
    Resigned. 4 supply-centers, 5 units
    France
    quarryman (5466D)
    Resigned. 1 supply-centers, 0 units
    Turkey
    dsrwd5 (227D)
    Resigned. 1 supply-centers, 2 units
    Austria
    Defeated. Bet: 25D
    Civil Disorders
    quarryman (5466D)France (Spring, 1905) with 5 centres.
    dsrwd5 (227D)Turkey (Autumn, 1906) with 1 centres.
    mrbagina (100D)Russia (Autumn, 1905) with 5 centres.
    Finished: 01 PM Thu 30 Apr 15 UTC
    Quick game-111
    10 minutes /phase
    Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1906, Finished
    Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    michfarr (987D)
    Drawn. 12 supply-centers, 12 units
    England
    Arminius (1514D)
    Drawn. 11 supply-centers, 11 units
    Turkey
    Drawn. 11 supply-centers, 11 units
    Italy
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Germany
    whitmitch (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Austria
    bangbang300 (100D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Russia
    CrazySon (332D)
    Defeated. Bet: 10D
    Civil Disorders
    Cricket Master (100DX)Italy (Autumn, 1905) with 0 centres.
    bangbang300 (100D)Austria (Spring, 1903) with 4 centres.
    CrazySon (332D)Russia (Spring, 1904) with 3 centres.
    whitmitch (100D)Germany (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.

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