webDiplomacy is proud to announce that we now support gameplay with artificial intelligence! For information regarding this one-of-a-kind game mode, click here. To hear more in an interview from jmo and pw, click here. To sign up for the Terminator Tournament, click here. Read the underlying AI/ML research here.

Forum
A place to discuss topics/games with other webDiplomacy players.
Page 403 of 412
FirstPreviousNextLast
President Eden (2427 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
Dems/progs, are y'all really running Zuckerborg in 2020?
I know I know, insert "lul ReTHUGlicans nominated DONALD TUCKING DRUMPH xDDD" memes here.
Why is Zuckerborg on the short list of nominations right now though?
12 replies
Open
MamaLama (212 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Mafia Style DImplomacy
What if we had a game type where everyone was completely anonymous such that no one knew what country anyone else was and it was global chat only
17 replies
Open
Smokey Gem (189 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Australian Icons we have stolen.
What can you think of?


22 replies
Open
VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
Must See Movie Reccomendations
So I like movies a lot and one of my goals in life is to watch every movie that is worth watching. I've seen most of AFIs top 100 and I have a to-watch list that is 168 films and counting. As such, I was curious if anyone here has some must-see movies that I may not know about.
73 replies
Open
WyattS14 (0 D (B))
29 Nov 17 UTC
Music major?
I've considered pursuing a music major.. is the outcome worth the cost? It seems like the stereotype for music majors is that there's no real future.
What ARE the possibilities?
17 replies
Open
Durga (2658 D)
23 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
Where do you get your news from?
I'm curious as to where you guys are getting your information from, and what you read on the regular
43 replies
Open
Claesar (2996 D Mod)
27 Nov 17 UTC
High-bet full-anon full-press game
Peace has come at last to the great Bunny Kingdom! Lead your clan of rabbits to glory by gathering resources and building new cities across the land!

gameID=211221
6 replies
Open
brainbomb (474 D)
28 Nov 17 UTC
(+4)
The Arab Spring was a horrible failure
Can you name any countries that benefitted from the Arab Spring? Libya is literally a slave-state, Egyptians overthrew one leader only to overthrow the next, Iranian arab spring failed, Syria is a bloodbath. Is there a single positive that came from this movement?
138 replies
Open
Durga (2658 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Liberal tops Conservative Game Board
gameID=206622 facts only or fake news
45 replies
Open
Literary Pugilist (291 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
Why no love for Sum of Squares scoring?
Personally, I'm not a big fan of Draw Size scoring, because it rewards the power that hung on with one dot the same as the 17 SC power that was a hair away from the solo.

What I've noticed is that almost every new game is Draw Size Scoring. Is that just because it's the default option or are players here just not fond of it.
37 replies
Open
TrPrado (436 D Mod)
29 Nov 17 UTC
(+4)
ATC about to reach for a beer from the fridge
Anyone else excited?
8 replies
Open
LeonWalras (419 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
(+4)
The Paris Uprising of 1832 was a horrible failure
Can you name any characters that benefited from the Paris Uprising of 1832? Éponine is literally and figuratively heartbroken, Jean Valjean overcame Javert only to die of old age in the next bloody act. Is there a single positive that came from this musical?
2 replies
Open
WyattS14 (0 D (B))
29 Nov 17 UTC
What's ATC?
As soon as I saw it I thought American Trans Club, but I was a little confused as to why they were reaching for a beer in the fridge..?
11 replies
Open
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Who Are The Real Dinosaurs In Congress?
Republicans do a better job of promoting younger members, in part because they limit, to six years, the length of time a member can be chairman or chairwoman of a committee. Democrats do not impose term limits on committee leaders or so-called ranking members, the top slot for lawmakers who are in the minority.
4 replies
Open
zultar (4170 D Mod (P))
24 Nov 17 UTC
(+15)
KansasBoyd has been banned.
For those interested.
247 replies
Open
Smokey Gem (189 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
The Time between the darnkess.
There is darkness before and darkness after.

17 replies
Open
c0dyz (100 D)
27 Nov 17 UTC
New game
Lookin to get a game goin. 1.5 day phases, full press, draw size scoring.
13 replies
Open
WyattS14 (0 D (B))
27 Nov 17 UTC
Wood USB drive boxes?
Does anyone know where I can find some wood USB drive boxes or pull door handles made specifically in China?
2 replies
Open
yavuzovic (240 D)
27 Nov 17 UTC
Are there any reader Josh Malerman?
I read Birdbox and Black Mad Wheel and I loved them.
1 reply
Open
Ethanol (1780 D)
22 Nov 17 UTC
(+3)
Check boxes for Variant at Search function
Hi,

i would be happy if the search function gives the ability of picking a number of different variants due to check box.
15 replies
Open
Stressedlines (1509 D)
08 Oct 17 UTC
Anyone here make their own beer/wine?
I have been doing this for many years, and was curious if anyone else did such. It is easily my only hobby I have that I care about..lol
50 replies
Open
Tom Bombadil (4134 D (G))
01 Nov 17 UTC
(+7)
Mafia XXXII:Mountainous Cannibals and Friends
This thread is for Mafia XXXII Participants only
2750 replies
Open
Yoyoyozo (187 D)
23 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
Happy Nondenominational Autumn Festival That Isnt About Killing Indiginous People
Happy NAFTI AKIP everyone
13 replies
Open
ishirkmywork (1407 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
My least favorite time of year.
http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/husband-of-hunting-accident-victim-her-life-was-cut-way-too-short/
http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/authorities-pick-up-shot-after-hunter-allegedly-mistakes-it-for-deer/
27 replies
Open
Fluminator (496 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
Epic story: 3rd and final part of the trilogy.
Brainbomb
40 replies
Open
zultar (4170 D Mod (P))
23 Nov 17 UTC
(+6)
New mobile website coming and happy Thanksgiving to those in the US
We are hoping to push a mobile website for webDip next week. If you want to check it out, it has been implemented on Vdip. We are very much looking forward to this change as it has been requested for multiple times and it looks pretty good. Let us know what you think.
23 replies
Open
Heywood Jablowme (18 D)
26 Nov 17 UTC
Ranking?
How do I get a ranking in this game? I am sick of being a political puppet.
6 replies
Open
MajorMitchell (1033 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
(+3)
Old Masters, New player names with fake IDs, Liniments & Tonics, etc,
Cheap nuclear weapons & perpetual motion machinery from wizzbang North Korean suppliers, do it yourself dentistry & surgical procedures kits for spouses, kids & let's. All available & More at the Sketchy, Dodgy & Fly~by~Night Warehouse Emporium.
8 replies
Open
Yoyoyozo (187 D)
19 Nov 17 UTC
"Biggest Game of All Time" EOG
This thread is reserved for discussion of the gunboat game "Biggest Game of All Time" in which the some of the best gunboat players on the site slogged it out to see who would reign victorious
28 replies
Open
President Eden (2427 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
Gunboat musings
I have been playing a couple of gunboats lately and spectating a few more. None of these thoughts concern ongoing games, so I think this should be safe to post.
President Eden (2427 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
* England and/or France opening to the English Channel in S01

I have seen this in the majority of GB games I've observed/played in lately and I just do not understand what is going on here. Every time this has generated significant mistrust between England and France, and I think in only one case out of the five that I saw did the power entering the Channel actually have ill intentions for the other. This has overwhelmingly been used as a path to make a power play on Belgium, but Germany has ended up with Belgium by the end of 1902 in nearly all of those games.
I am partial to other openings as both powers -- with England, I like opening to Norwegian Sea / North Sea / Edinburgh, and with France, I like opening to Burgundy with support and Mid-Atlantic Ocean. When I do open to the Channel with either power, it's because I am absolutely going after the other power and will order an army toward the Channel for convoying purposes.
I don't get why people "hedge" by going to the Channel but NOT setting up a way to attack the other power with it.

* Germany supporting Russia to Sweden in A1901

I have seen this play a lot in these games, and I love it.
The German-Russian situation in gunboat is much different than in full press. In full press, Germany can extort Russia with Sweden and compel Russia to take certain diplomatic stances and angles. In gunboat, the lack of press eliminates that option, and eliminates a lot of nuance that Germany can exploit with the option to bounce. Your options in Denmark in 1901 are essentially:
(A) punish Russian aggression in Silesia or Prussia
(B) stick it to Russia and bounce him without provocation
(C) explicitly signal to Russia that you're going to be her friend by supporting him into Sweden
Furthermore, because of Russia's relative weakness in gunboat -- unable to coordinate with her natural ally Italy, unable to mount meaningful offenses against Austria or Turkey without someone else deciding to jump in on the fun -- Germany essentially has all the power in the relationship. If Germany wants Sweden for himself, forcing that issue isn't hard, and Russia has very little meaningful recourse.
However, what I noticed in games where Germany DOES bounce Russia out of Sweden is that as the games progress onward, it's England who ends up with the advantage in Scandinavia. Allowing the English to maintain a foothold in Scandinavia is a scary prospect, since it's very hard to kick the English out once they're established with a 5-6 center base of operations.
If Germany DOES allow Russia to have Sweden, then Russia seems to reciprocate most of the time with an army build in St. Petersburg (and especially if Russia got two builds or if Russia's starting army in Warsaw is stuck there due to bouncing). It's a natural defensive reaction to English presence in Norway that simultaneously starts an English-Russian fight in Norway almost every time, which usually ends with Russia taking Norway and not making any further progress, and England tying up a lot of units trying to get somewhere.
This gives Germany a ton of leverage -- they can attack France without worrying about England rallying to France's aid, they can attack England with France and try to knock England out early, they can turn on Russia and force their way into Scandinavia with English help (but from a stronger position than if they'd allowed England to get a head start in Norway).

* Italy attacking Austria in 1901

I've seen this happen twice recently and both times Austria absolutely skullfucked Italy for it. And I'm not talking "letting Russia and Turkey have the centers," I mean Austria actually counterattacked Italy and obliterated them. The problem that Italy has had with these attacks is that they just don't work unless you commit to them in S1901, before you can know whether Russia or Turkey are going to give Austria problems. Surprise surprise, in both games Turkey picked a fight with Russia and left Austria completely unfettered. Austria also went +2 in both games, once due to a pretty hot read (Serbia S Vienna - Trieste to counter Tyrolia S Venice - Trieste!) and once because Italy just haphazardly tapped Trieste in A1901 which got blocked by A Vienna.
Mainly what I learned here is that Austria is fucking terrifying when it's not checked by Russia or Turkey from the outset. I don't necessarily think either power must commit to checking Austria as a consequence, although perhaps Turkey should (Russia is in a better position to work with Austria, Turkey ends up cornered too quickly). But it does mean that picking a 1v1 against Austria is pretty inadvisable and waiting to see how things shape up is the smarter approach for Italy.

* Italy moving to Piedmont in S1901, whether as a feint or a genuine attack in A1901

I never really considered this move too much, but I'm starting to love it as I see it played out. France is never in a position to punish it (probably because of the Channel shenanigans, see the first bullet point), and if they don't have overtly hostile neighbors after the first turn, you can always swing into Tyrolia and pretend it never happened. But the tempo that France can lose from overreacting to this army (and it does happen) is huge, especially since the common opening is for France to be in Burgundy and Marseilles after S1901. Moving to Piedmont incentivizes Burgundy - Marseilles - Spain in A1901, which leaves all of France's units clogged up around the Mediterranean, but not in a position to counterattack you for your S1901 move, and also takes away the leverage that France gained on Belgium. That invites England or Germany to get frisky, especially if they saw your move to Piedmont and assumed they might have a friend, and at the very least makes it likely for Germany or England to get Belgium, setting the stage for a less explosive French game and buying you time to get things done elsewhere.


If I had to come up with one key takeaway from all of this, it's the following credo:

*** Don't attack first! ***

Gunboat players as a group are strikingly aggressive and proactive. I think the lack of press makes you think that you have to be, since it's the only way to send a strong message about your priorities.
But I swear I see so many promising games derailed in the first year, because a player put their eggs in the "Attack X" basket, and it turned out that the diplomatic situation was really bad for an early attack on X. Italy attacking Austria only to find Turkey opening to Armenia, England and France butting heads over the Channel only to find Germany supporting Russia into Sweden, etc. Your whole plan for the game can go up in smoke because another power understandably didn't do exactly the one strategy you needed them to do for your attack to work.
Gunboat games are almost always long grindy slugfests to 18 rather than quick sprints to the finish line, so there should be no reason to rush into commitment to fighting one power. All that does is give away leverage to another neighbor, while not appreciably speeding you up toward a victory.
MajorMitchell (1033 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
I might have some provocative comments about grubby old gunboat games and your comments about England, France and Germany.. But I have to wait until some games finish. And they're Anon, so looking at my current games won't reveal anything, unless you're an Almighty Mod
2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
24 Nov 17 UTC
(+1)
I love Italy's Ven-Pie move in 1901 and I will also add that it has the additional effect of reassuring Austria that the army is no threat and thus frees up your one obvious ally to make a bolder play in the fall when they otherwise might need to consider covering Trieste.

I also agree that gunboat success does not come from being aggressive early on. Certain moves can drastically alter the state of the board from the very beginning of the game (such as a move to the Channel by either E or F) so it doesn't make sense to commit to an attack before seeing how the balance of power will rest after 1901 or even 1902.

If you don't know who the sucker is in a gunboat game by F1901, then it's probably you.
I think your take on the Italian French attack is right on. In Gunboat things don't seem to move as fast because allies can't coordinate attacks and steam roll a power, so strategies that aren't as viable in Full Press become a better option in Gunboat.

Even though I agree with your assessment about the EC, I have to disagree with your "Don't attack first!" analysis. I think the Russian Attack for Turkey is a much better strategy in Gunboat than it is in Full Press. You can absolutely wreck someone when you get the jump on them and they really have no way to call for help. They key is making sure you're getting the jump on them and not just pounding your head against the wall while someone sneaks in your back door.
Good post, P. Eden.


5 replies
Page 403 of 412
FirstPreviousNextLast
Back to top