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brainbomb (128 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
I just ate 4 pulled pork sandwiches
On a scale of 1-10 how ashamed should I be.
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Matticus13 (1159 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
Midterm election omen?
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/kansas-house-special-election-district-4
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goldfinger0303 (1032 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
2016 World Cup Finals
This thread will be for announcements and updates regarding the Finals of the 2016 World Cup
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Benjamin Franklin (717 D (G))
11 Apr 17 UTC
Join a father -son-son match
We want to legally play against each other, vut we need 4 more.
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=195764
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Commander Thomas (441 D)
10 Apr 17 UTC
Low Reliability Rating to join games
This is just a "what if scenario based question." If there are diplomacy players that have a reliability rating (R.R) that is extremely low, like below 10%... Is it still technically possible to join games even if all diplomacy site games have an R.R that is above a player's R.R?

In theory would that mean that the player would not be able to join Diplomacy games on this site?
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cspieker (8775 D)
10 Apr 17 UTC
procedure for getting a sub?
Hi all,
I'm going to need to get a sub to cover for me while I am on a vacation. The person I was thinking of is another member of this site. I am wondering if there is any procedure I should go through with the mods or something to make sure I don't get my sub in trouble for cheating.
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brainbomb (128 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
Is console gaming dying?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/25/news/companies/gamestop-stores-closing/
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brainbomb (128 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
US attacks Syria
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index.html
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10 Apr 17 UTC
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10 Apr 17 UTC
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10 Apr 17 UTC
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10 Apr 17 UTC
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Puddle (500 D)
09 Apr 17 UTC
U.S. Strike on Syria
Question within.
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Ultimate Game
I'm trying to organize a SoS World Diplomacy IX game, with a 100 pt. bet. SoS in World Dip (since there are so many centers) will yield some extremely high stakes for the highest scorers.
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Hauta (1592 D (S))
09 Apr 17 UTC
Republicans in favor of nanny state???
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/republicans-hope-trump-amenable-food-stamp-restrictions-46672888

Republicans in 3 states want to stop food stamps from being used to buy soda and junk food. When will the hypocrisy end? I'm all for such restrictions -- I'm just surprised that some Republicans are coming around to it!
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Puddle (500 D)
09 Apr 17 UTC
Coming back after a long break.
Had something to say, message too long, see reply (Had definitely forgot about this limitation, haha)
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DemonOverlord (469 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
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Friends
Come be my friend pls gameID=194126
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CommanderByron (699 D (S))
09 Apr 17 UTC
I need a Mod.
In honor of my fallen friend, DemonOverlord, I would like to request my name be forever changed to CommanderOverlord. Like the warriors of old I take the name of the warrior i most respect.
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ANimac (360 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
Waiting out the stalemate
What is the prevailing opinion as to when to accept a stalemate position?
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CommanderByron (699 D (S))
07 Apr 17 UTC
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Exodus
So there's been quite the exodus of old school, community members. Any thoughts on this development? Is it a culture issue, community issue, mod issue, or a combination of the above? Should we be concerned? How can we reverse this?
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Thaneofwhiterun (934 D)
05 Apr 17 UTC
WW1 reenactment?
Would anybody be down for a game where the Central Powers fight the Triple Entente? Italy would be a free agent in this case.

Rules would be that there can only be press between allies, and Italy can talk to everyone.
Allies cannot capture one another's centers, nor occupy them. Bouncing can be orchestrated if there is no possibility of taking an ally's center.
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Balduran (81 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
What Metagaming Is Acceptable?
Saw another thread on this come up, and go down again before it really came to a complete answer. Where is the line drawn?

Let's say I know a player who's a little stab-happy, and I find myself in a game with them. Is it wrong to give him a taste of his own medicine based off that, or should the knowledge not influence me to that degree?
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Lethologica (203 D)
06 Apr 17 UTC
As another example, you could be a very uninspired player who simply allies with Russia every time you play Turkey, and that wouldn't violate the rule about preset alliances. But joining a game as Turkey intending to ally with Russ Ian (who happens to be playing Russia) would violate that rule, even if you only did it once.
Hathkin (124 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
So, I want to put out some examples out to see if they break letter and/or spirit of the law so I can get an idea of the boundaries for this.

1) After looking at Germany's history, you post a global message "Germany's a Solo artist we need to stop them early on."

2) You post globally “I played with France a few times before and they are a bit stabby.” This could not be necessary true.

3) Same text as number 2 but privately to another player.

4) You post to another player “You should trust me because of that great draw we got last month.”
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
07 Apr 17 UTC
All inappropriate. Although you can do the same thing with less specifics and be appropriate.
Hathkin (124 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Thanks I thought the last one would be OK, but less specifics it is.
slypups (1394 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Really @Gen._Lee? All inappropriate? I'd like to hear from a mod on this one.

All four of those sound like comments based on a player's tendencies in past games (or lies about those tendencies), not entering a game with a preconceived strategy to ally with or attack a particular player. Take #1 for example - if you entered the game with intent to take out the German player, such a comment would definitely be wrong. But if you entered the game with no intent, drew Russia or France and wanted to attack Germany because that's your strategy, what's wrong with saying #1 to try to get others to join you in an attack on Germany?
Shenguin (189 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Surely 1) 2) and 3) are within the rules if they are lies?
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
07 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm no mod just posted my opinion. Why not just sell that you feel Germany is a really good manipulative player to others instead of point to their record or past games? Maybe it doesn't break the rules, but seems to break the spirit of it.

Same for 2, plant seeds about inconsistencies in their press or lie about what they've told you. There are other ways to acheive the same thing that are not as lame.

I don't see that line of reasoning working very well anyways except in the most noob filled game.
Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
07 Apr 17 UTC
I guess you are assuming it's a non anon game?
captainmeme (410 D Mod)
08 Apr 17 UTC
1,2,3 and 4 are all allowed by the rules (in non-anon games, anyway), but be aware that a large portion of the community frowns upon it, and by bringing it up, you may at best be making enemies, and at worst be giving those enemies a tool to use against you ("You don't want to ally with him, he's the kind of player who searches your game history for the one time you stabbed someone and then uses that against you").
Hathkin (124 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
I was only considering using 4, but I see the points about none of them being very subtle and the risk to your reputation.
CAPT Brad (1703 D (B))
08 Apr 17 UTC
Boner jams! Boner jams!
DemonOverlord (469 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
I sent the mods an email asking them to clarify a specific issue involving meta gaming in a game I was in until recently that they refused to cancel, pause, or remove any player in. For context I was accused of metagaming but this isn't the main subject of this post.

"I want answers to my questions as this impacts the integrity of the game.

I want to know how you're going to prevent [player 1] from unnecessarily attacking [player 2] without influencing him to attack someone else (aka me)

I want to know why muting someone right off the bat and attacking them doesn't constitute important enough meta gaming charges, yet whatever the fuck I did is apparently worth pausing the game for.

I want to know why [player 3] can get away with accusing me of meta 5 in game years after the issue

Please answer my questions instead of rudely dismissing them and maybe I won't quit your website."

I was essentially told that even though they didn't foresee any changes to the game they couldn't answer my questions. I just find it kind of weird for the mods to let the game proceed without being able to answer my questions. I was told the investigation was still ongoing. I understand mods have more context but if there's still doubt the game should be paused right? At least it seems unfair to me that my questions couldn't be answered and I was expected to continue in the game. I'm leaving this here with names blocked because I think it'll contribute to the discussion of what is meta and what isn't.

Question to community: Is it really fair to mute and target someone for out of game reasons? And if not should the person be removed from the game?
Claesar (84 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
@DO: I haven't read the whole text of your post, so don't consider this as my opinion on the situation you sketch. Escpecially since I haaven't read the other side of the story either.

I can answer your questions though.
Q: "Is it really fair to mute and target someone for out of game reasons?"
A: No, this is not allowed, as described in the rules.

Q: "And if not should the person be removed from the game?"
A: That's up to the mods to decide. Just like in real life, the judge decides the sentence even if the culprit is guilty.
Lethologica (203 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
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Yeeeeeah, I don't think you're actually revisiting the complaint that got the last thread muted as a way to "contribute to the discussion of what is meta and what isn't."

I *do* think you'll have a hell of a time establishing intent for player 1 or the facial invalidity of player 3's accusation, with or without mod-level access to chat logs.

I also think your demand that the mods intervene to prevent player 1 from attacking player 2, you, or (apparently) anyone else is nonsensical. Either there was metagaming and the game is DOA, or there was no metagaming and the game should proceed; there is no middle ground where it was *kind of* metagaming and therefore player 1 should be forced to play in a way that benefits player 2 and/or you. Getting the mods to fix the game for you is not an antidote to perceived metagaming, it's just another power play.

And I highly doubt the mods give a shit about your threat to quit the site over this clown fiesta.
Claesar (84 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
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I disagree on that last part, I think the mods are sorry to see her go. But that doesn't mean they'll let that influence their decision (and they shouldn't).
VillageIdiot (4310 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
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I don't really know your particular story nor can we really discuss it in specifics since it sounds like despite you being out of it it's still an ongoing game, but i will comment on my views regarding the process of it all.

The easy answer is that yes, anybody doing anything for reasons out of the game is meta. But something like that is often not the easiest to prove and even quite often theres an "in-game" true motive that sometimes gets improperly assessed as somebody doing things as cheating simply because it seems irrational. Those investigations are intentionally done 'behind the scenes' because doing something publicly such as outright pausing of games could easily have implications on the game and specifically the accused, which wouldn't be fair should they turn out to be an unsubstantiated concern. It's better to figure it out, regardless of if more damage gets done as a result of the lag, and then punting the player or cancelling the game or making it unranked or whatever the appropriate ruling turns out to be.

Speaking from personal experience i've had more then a few accusations of cheating towards me simply because i from time-to-time can manage to convince a naive player from doing unbelievably irrational things or other times myself and my allies put on an out-of-the-box charade towards something or other that some players can only muster to deduce that it could only possibly be foul play. I've likewise had similar thoughts regarding other players and requested investigations that turned out to be empty skepticism on my part.

I'm quite sure mods get it wrong from time to time and make wrong calls, but still worth having some understanding that there is some delicacy in how these matters get handled during active games without inadvertently giving away clues as to what's really going on or unfairly having an influence over the game.
DemonOverlord (469 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
I mean, on the topic of not influencing I would have preferred the mods to say "there is no metagaming happening the investigation is closed we can explain after the game is done" to "ongoing but we're gonna let the game continue" sounds weird.

On why I'm leaving, moreso because I realized getting angry over this is ridiculous and I need to take a serious step back (and I will once all replacements have been found).

Lethologica clearly didn't understand my post.

It only just seems weird to me that in a non-anon game where you see who's already in, you join a game with someone you immensely dislike and have muted. And then you continue to have them muted. I don't know, even if it isn't worth penalizing someone for I feel like a player should be replaced here. Those are my thoughts.
DemonOverlord (469 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
Like, I just want to clarify that while I'm not a fan of whatever particular mod was messaging me for the most part - on the whole the team is fine, if not maybe a bit socially inept in terms of dealing with players but I shouldn't really expect people opting to help run a diplomacy site to be. I'm appreciative of the work they do to catch cheaters and running the site, as I'm sure it's a lot of mundane work. I'm not quitting because of them lol
VillageIdiot (4310 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
I think somebody not talking to you in a game because of personal history, while douchey and annoying, probably isn't going to be enough to be actionable. These are just the human nature things we all need to try to navigate in these things. It's not that uncommon that there's at least one player in a game that's going to be a complete write off of somebody you can work with so you just need to identify it as quick as possible work with what you do have. That or stick to anonymous games.

That said, absolutely if it's more stress the fun then stepping back or completely stepping away is for sure the right call.
CommanderByron (699 D (S))
08 Apr 17 UTC
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I will find who's doing this to the love of my life and I will punish them with non-stop trolling.
VillageIdiot (4310 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
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Thanks Byron but I'm used to it by now, you don't have to defend me.
captainmeme (410 D Mod)
08 Apr 17 UTC
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Don't be gone for too long my dove ;)

I wait with bated breath for your return.
DemonOverlord (469 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
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Fuck off meme
CAPT Brad (1703 D (B))
08 Apr 17 UTC
you heard her meme; Fuck off!
CommanderByron (699 D (S))
09 Apr 17 UTC
Do not worry DO, they will never understand, for we are soulmates linked forever by the strings of the infinite abyss, we are but leaves on the winds of time, and while the wind may take up different places we may find solace in the thought that, if even for a moment, we shared something special. They will never understand the pains of sadness or the longing grief we will face; but i promise DO, should you ever return i will be here, and on that day I will smile once more.
CAPT Brad (1703 D (B))
09 Apr 17 UTC
Buck private Byron spews
CommanderByron (699 D (S))
09 Apr 17 UTC
Capt Brad,Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver’d, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril bitch
DemonOverlord (469 D)
09 Apr 17 UTC
I'm glad someone is having fun?
CommanderByron (699 D (S))
09 Apr 17 UTC
Capt Brad, Stop worrying about growing old. And think about growing up....... burn..... ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (okay maybe its time for bed, night webdip)


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Smokey Gem (157 D)
08 Apr 17 UTC
3-5 day phase moves vs whinging
Does a player have the right to complain that another player is taking 3 days too mve if the day phase is 3 days or 5 days ??
Does Rulebook press , full press, make any differnce ?
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Tom Bombadil (1380 D (G))
06 Apr 17 UTC
1v1 Games
Someone come beat me up in the 1v1 games. I haven't played them yet. Info below
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DemonOverlord (469 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Need replacement
gameID=194126 if you're willing to replace me in this and/or in the study group game please message me. It's a solid position if you can get past the meta that's totally not happening.
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CptMike (2229 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Elo in 1v1
I tried to understand but it was hard. In 1v1, is the following correct ?
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brainbomb (128 D)
01 Apr 17 UTC
Is Joel Osteen secretly evil?
Ive been wondering if hidden behind his smiles and sermons if this man is actually an evil homophobe. He very quietly was against the LGBT laws. And has never mentioned those views in his sermons.
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jwalters93 (288 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
I haven't been active on this site since 2014
lol here goes

I don't even know why I'm posting
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A_Tin_Can (1525 D)
31 Mar 17 UTC
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What are the good things about other sites?
With the ODC, we have a lot of players playing at PlayDiplomacy. And, I'm sure many of our membership play on other sites as well as webdip.

What are the features you really like from those sites that you wish webdiplomacy had?
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Claesar (84 D)
07 Apr 17 UTC
Please comment on my decision(s)
Gunboat last night.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=195502
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