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PonkWilliams (177 D)
24 Jun 16 UTC
WebDiplomacy policy on restarting a game
I'm sure this type of topic has happened before. One of the players in "Friendly Mediterranean Variation" managed to 'ready' without any units being ordered. All units were held. Major screw up. Hurts the balance of the game. We are still kind of discussing the ramifications and what to do about the moves... but is it possible to either fix the moves for him? or restart the game with everyone playing the same countries?
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
20 Jun 16 UTC
Multivitamins for a 25-year old overweight male
Y/N? Are you on any? which?
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Merirosvo (302 D)
23 Jun 16 UTC
Most Well Known Current Leaders?
I was wondering what the most well known current leaders of the world are and realized that I actually didn't know very many. So my question for you guys is how many current world leaders do you know and which ones are they? Also, what country are you from?
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Peregrine Falcon (2201 D (B))
22 Jun 16 UTC
Worst Mistakes in Diplomacy
I'm curious to know what people consider their worst mistakes in their entire Diplomacy career. Is it failing in a guaranteed solo? Messing up a secure draw? Being eliminated when you shouldn't have?
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faceeater (445 D)
22 Jun 16 UTC
Know Your Enemy
gameID=180478 Password 1234
Started a game with people I've played with before.
Looking for a few more players. Otherwise standard Diplomacy
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Tolstoy (1958 D)
22 Jun 16 UTC
Leading Antiwar Progressives Speak Favorably of Aspects of Trump’s Foreign Policy
Let the hysteria pass over you.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/john-v-walsh/antiwar-left-likes-trumps-foreign-policy/

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ghug (5046 D (B))
21 Jun 16 UTC
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The ODC Has Ended
Congratulations to Octavious (and to his home site, webDiplomacy, which will be taking credit for him whether he likes it or not), the first ever online Diplomacy champion.
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Maniac (344 D (B))
10 Jun 16 UTC
The Euros
Any predictions?
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Blaz_Adam (81 D X)
21 Jun 16 UTC
Upcoming Tour de France
Anyone else getting excited?
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Octavious (1717 D)
18 Jun 16 UTC
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Diplomacy walk-on music
It's the year 2030. Diplomacy has finally taken its rightful place as one of the "big four" global sports, along with soccer, twenty20 cricket, and ultimate frisbee. The first million dollar tournament opens with hordes of screaming fans straining to glimpse you as you stroll to the game board, your walk-on music reverberating through the arena...

What is that music?
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
04 Jun 16 UTC
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The Death of a Legend
As above, so below
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brainbomb (474 D)
18 Jun 16 UTC
College World Series - Predictions
Game 1 Oklahoma State vs University of Cal. Santa Barbara.
Game 2 Miami vs Arizona
Game 3 Texas Christian vs Texas Tech
Game 4 Florida vs Coastal Carolina.
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Franz_o_Sissy (292 D)
17 Jun 16 UTC
Nuby - Nobie to this site
As of yesterday I have joined DiplomacyWeb. Also started a game right off, but I haven't got a clue how the digital side of playing is run.
Can anyone inform me (in the FAQ there wasn't any discription as to e.g. who is alotted to which country, where is the TAB to decide whether contestants can or can't mail to each other, etc) ?
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
British MP murdered in right-wing terror attack
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jo-cox-shot-live-latest-news-updates-birstall-shooting-stabbing-labour-mp-west-yorkshire-a7085561.html
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leon1122 (175 D)
19 Jun 16 UTC
What the hell are you talking about, Tolstoy? I can't find anything that says Fortuyn's assassin, Volkert van der Graaf, is Muslim.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
19 Jun 16 UTC
Volkert van der Graaf is no Muslim to my knowledge and I think I would know. Left extremist is probably a safe categorization. I say 'was' because you could call him a success story of reintegration: he's embraced back into society and he's supposed to avoid press etc., but he's really embracing his second chance it seems.

Back to Tolstoy, I don't see how implying Van der Graaf is an extreme leftist and the other extreme can do bad things too suddenly suggests that he defined civilized behaviour. That makes no sense to me. The point was merely that this isn't somehow unique to right-wing, which is true and good to point out just to emphasize how weak using this tragedy as an argument is.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
19 Jun 16 UTC
To clarify: even if he is Muslim, that hardly matters because he was born and raised in The Netherlands and his motives had nothing to do with Islam.
Nebuchadnezzar (483 D)
19 Jun 16 UTC
UK is adopting third world country policies, apparently there is a huge support for isolationism, even some people do not want to see and accept this. The UK has been changing a lot. I am not suprised with the shooting. I just hope that it wont be a permanent part of this new emerging Britain. Nonetheless, I think British people should be worried about lack of tolerance, radicalisation and nationalism in its multi-cultural society.
Octavious (1717 D)
19 Jun 16 UTC
Don't worry, Nebuchadnezzar, we're a long way from turning into a new Turkey.
leon1122 (175 D)
19 Jun 16 UTC
"apparently there is a huge support for isolationism"

And what exactly is your problem with that? Isolationism prevents wars and provides social harmony.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
19 Jun 16 UTC
How does it provide social harmony?
Genuine question.
Gobbledydook (1389 D (B))
19 Jun 16 UTC
The theory is that if you don't have immigration then you don't have problems like culture clash.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
19 Jun 16 UTC
Except A) there already are immigrants and B) disallowing immigration clashes with British culture..
Gobbledydook (1389 D (B))
19 Jun 16 UTC
I'm not saying it's a good theory. But xenophobia was never rational.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
19 Jun 16 UTC
Yeah I know. I wasn't attacking you. I'm just still baffled and voicing why that theory makes no sense.
Blaz_Adam (81 D X)
19 Jun 16 UTC
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Xenophobia... I sincerely hope you're joking. A) we don't want isolationism just because we want to leave the EU there are some leavers that do want it some that don't. and B) it's not xenophobic to want to control your borders. The UK is very overpopulated, we don't have enough houses, enough jobs or enough space to build houses without destroying the undervalued green space that prevents us losing the ozone layer (obviously not just UK green space contributes to the ozone layer, before some idiot says something sarcastic). With the current rate of immigration unemployment will rise as well as the number of homeless. It's just sensible to want to reduce immigration to an overpopulated country, not xenophobic, so please don't exaggerate.

Another point this thread seems to be diverting from the original point...
Tolstoy (1958 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
"What the hell are you talking about, Tolstoy? I can't find anything that says Fortuyn's assassin, Volkert van der Graaf, is Muslim."

Meh, I got my Dutch political assassins mixed up. My point still stands.

"I don't see how implying Van der Graaf is an extreme leftist and the other extreme can do bad things too suddenly suggests that he defined civilized behaviour. That makes no sense to me."

You utterly failed to get my point, and bought into leon's instead, who was suggesting that right-wingers assassinating political opponents is somehow not that bad since a left-wing assassin assassinated a right-wing politician once, and therefore somehow it's all good. That is a tu quoque argument, and an implicit surrender of any moral high ground which his side might have held. It is a terrible argument that leads inevitably to a spiraling justification of increasingly immoral conduct.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 Jun 16 UTC
Can't speak for leon, but for me the point is definitely that every assassination is very bad and totally unacceptable but not an argument against anyone who does not maintain the view that opposing politicians need to be killed. There are many arguments against Brexit, but one idiot who decides to kill is not one of them.
leon1122 (175 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
"A) there already are immigrants and B) disallowing immigration clashes with British culture"

I assume most immigrants to Britain in the past were from other European countries. Islam presents a significantly greater cultural clash than the cultures of other European countries.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 Jun 16 UTC
You didn't get my point. The point is that immigration is part of British culture, so being against immigration means you clash with British culture.
leon1122 (175 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
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How exactly is immigration part of British culture? I can see an argument for that with the US but not for Britain. Sure, there has been immigration, but for the most part Britain used to be a homogeneous society.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 Jun 16 UTC
It just occurred to me that I'm apparently arguing against the guy who I supported yesterday now :-)

Never mind, I'm done arguing about this.
Nebuchadnezzar (483 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
@Octavious I dont know why you want to make a comparison with Turkey, or I dont know if you are referring to the new influential ideas of "new Turkey". But dynamics or Britain and Turkey are completely different. In the end I do not think Britain can ever become something like "Turkey". But it has become another kind of abomination.

Also I want to emphasise, I am not saying it might become. I am saying the transformation has already started and visible in many areas.

The judicial check is removed in key ministerial decisions. Revoking the ECHR is becoming a very popular idea. However, such thoughts does not follow a desire to create an even stronger Human Rights mechanism. The intention of the government is just getting rid of an obstacle in the way of the decision making mechanisms of ministries. This is just one example...

Finally, Isolationism has never prevented wars, it only postpones problems, let things build up and then before you even realise you just end-up with a huge war against another country. Besides isolationism always brings human rights breaches against other country nationals.

As I said, the Britain you believe in, the Britain you know, may sound different. But it is not about what you believe Britain is, it is mainly about what Britain have been doing and a little bit about what the influential majority in Britain is planning to do...
You may disagree with what has been going on in Britain, it does not mean it is not happening.
leon1122 (175 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
"It just occurred to me that I'm apparently arguing against the guy who I supported yesterday now"

We will agree on things and disagree on others. That is inevitable.

"Finally, Isolationism has never prevented wars, it only postpones problems, let things build up and then before you even realise you just end-up with a huge war against another country. Besides isolationism always brings human rights breaches against other country nationals."

Each nation should mind its own business. Look at what has happened when the US abandoned isolationism and went to bring "democracy" to the Middle East. There's a cultural clash. Isolationism also doesn't necessarily mean violating the rights of foreign nationals. What rights did the US violate during the post-WWI isolation?
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 Jun 16 UTC
"We will agree on things and disagree on others. That is inevitable."

I agree. It just surprised me in this case. I shouldn't, but I guess I assumed there would be a side that got it all wrong and a side that got it all right from my perspective in this particularly discussion, but I seem to disagree and, more surprisingly, agree with various sides on this issue.
leon1122 (175 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
"I seem to disagree and, more surprisingly, agree with various sides on this issue."

That's an illusion created by this thread going off-topic. You agreed that assassination of politicians shouldn't be used for political narratives. You disagreed that isolationism is desirable.
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
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@ leon: Do you think that racial purity is desirable?
Nebuchadnezzar (483 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
"Look at what has happened when the US abandoned isolationism and went to bring "democracy" to the Middle East."

Oh I know what happened when the US abandoned isolationism that was the NORMANDY INVASION. :D I dont know why you jumped like 80 years for no reason xD

Secondly, I suggest you study the difference between isolationism, interventionism and internationalism. You may also consider an interventionist strategy called "just war theory".

If you think by isolationism the UK can reach its old imperial strength, I remind you that that strength was gained through pure interventionism. Of course if you know the difference between these words, you would realise that I am defending here internationalism not interventionism.

Finally, your message only shows how people are supporting the third world country policies of the UK. You actually are an example of what I said. :)
orathaic (1009 D (B))
20 Jun 16 UTC
@Leon: "
I assume most immigrants to Britain in the past were from other European countries. Islam presents a significantly greater cultural clash than the cultures of other European countries."

No, large numbers of irish immigrants, and sure we are in the EU now, but also massive numbers of Indian and Pakistani immigrants in the UK (over the last hundred years) and all due to Empire. That is a mix of Hindu, Muslim and Catholic migrants from three former colonies.

So muslim migration to the UK is not a particularily new thing.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
20 Jun 16 UTC
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Oh I know what happened when the US abandoned isolationism that was the NORMANDY INVASION. :D I dont know why you jumped like 80 years for no reason xD "

I was thinkin something similar, but US intervention in the middle east oil interests goes back to world war 2. I'm pretty sure that propping up the Shah of Iran, which eventually lead to the Iranian revolution, and taking over from British Petroleum in Iraq and, whatever deal was made with Saudi Arabia, was all happening between the early 1940s and late 1950s.

Messing up the middle east was a purely European thing from the point the Ottoman Empire collapsed, until the US decided it would much rather do the messing...
Octavious (1717 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
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@Leon: "
I assume most immigrants to Britain in the past were from other European countries. Islam presents a significantly greater cultural clash than the cultures of other European countries."

You're quite right. The majority of immigration traditionally came from places like Ireland, that has a near identical culture. Muslim immigration was virtually nil until the 1960s, and the vast majority of Muslim population growth has happened in the last couple of decades.
Nebuchadnezzar (483 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
@Orathaic: I couldnt agree you more. I was just directly thinking the Gulf war when I give said 80 years. But under any circumstances, Post WW2 interventionism was due to the fact that the USA have risen from the WW2 as a super power, along with USSR and the whole world became their play-field for a while.

@Octavious: Yes the islamic culture is so different, so unacceptable and so new in the UK that the people of London decided to elect a muslim mayor... I mean can you believe it, these muslims must have immigrated like 40-50 years ago. I guess you think that the first mosque in the UK was build in 1860, all because of the time machine and islamic world domination in the future. :)

You know I hear people saying islam is so different than Christianity, then people come up and say Anglicanism is so different than catholicism... Then there is actually that conservatives are so different than labour class... Then there are goths, and Beliebers, punks, chavs... All so different...

When will you understand? This is not about being so different, it is about being tolerant...


peterlund (1310 D (G))
20 Jun 16 UTC
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"When will you understand? This is not about being so different, it is about being tolerant."

Best thing said here so far! +1

Tolerance and democracy go hand in hand. Everyone living in a democratic country need to be tolerant, and this applies to both natives and immigrants.
Octavious (1717 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
@ Nebuchadnezzar

I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. There is no difference between Islam and Christianity. They are both eastern desert religions built around people who wandered off into the vast desolate wastes on their own and started seeing visions.

The cultural differences are far more east vs west than Christian vs Muslim. I have far more in common with western Muslims such as the London mayor than I do with a Coptic Christian in Egypt, or those who hang around Bethlehem.

It seems clear to me that where there are significant cultural differences immigration should be kept at a controllable rate, giving time for the immigrants of the foreign culture to adjust and integrate into the host communities without subjecting them to undue pressure.


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principians (881 D)
20 Jun 16 UTC
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Once again, mexican gov. shooting civilians
And maybe you won't watch in the news, nor see any 'prayformexico' hashtag as the 'prayforvenezuela' one...

Maybe you don't give a shit, buy just so you know
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Frost_Faze (102 D)
18 Jun 16 UTC
7 more players!!!
Need 7 more players, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=180330 modern diplomacy!
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Wanted: Thoughtful Discussion
I'm working on a project where I have to document the process of having a discussion with someone whose views I disagree with. The point of the assignment is to examine my own biases, and find ways to address them. So, since I consider myself liberal in most social and economic policy, I'm looking for an open-minded conservative to debate and discuss politics with. If you're interested, shoot me a PM. Thanks.
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eturnage (601 D (B))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Beekeeping: What is Your Favorite Style of Bee Husbandry?
Hello. Are there any other beekeepers among us? I've been working Warre style hives in Lang medium, 8-frame boxes at my place here in western NC.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
17 Jun 16 UTC
Oh Magical Mods
Could you pause a game, as I won't be here this weekend?
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Frost_Faze (102 D)
17 Jun 16 UTC
Come Join Modern Diplomacy II
Hey guys, come join this new game.
gameID=180306
Modern Diplomacy II must have 34% reliability at least.
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Fluminator (496 D)
30 May 16 UTC
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MXX: Trouble in Amish Paradise
We're at 20 folks!
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WiseJazzer (133 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
Supporting others on a Gunboat
Is it common to order support to a move from some player against another player on a Gunboat game?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Jun 16 UTC
Liberal Brains vs Conservative Brains
Because this came up elsewhere...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-un8rHP14
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brainbomb (474 D)
15 Jun 16 UTC
Working on a new album
So ive been recording a ton this summer. Heres some of my new songs: https://m.soundcloud.com/mothlion
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
16 Jun 16 UTC
Ecuador V USA
21:30 UTC -5

Anyone down to live discuss?
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
Voting in 1970s Britain
An interesting article about the 1975 referendum:

http://scarfolk.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/voting-in-1970s.html
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
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Favourite Ancient Empires
Byzantine.
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Maniac (344 D (B))
12 Jun 16 UTC
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Gun control
Webdip has changed so much, back in the day after a mass shooting we'd have a thread within a minute, argue for days and then nothing would get done. Now we just leap straight to doing nothing. I miss the old times.
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Classic Game LF5M
A user has asked me to advertise their anonymous game which includes two coworkers.
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brainbomb (474 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
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Glass Eating: What is your favorite glass eating experience?
Im looking to get into competitive glass eating. Was wondering if anyone on webdip has done this and what the best venues are for glass eating.
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