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WiseJazzer (123 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
Supporting others on a Gunboat
Is it common to order support to a move from some player against another player on a Gunboat game?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Jun 16 UTC
Liberal Brains vs Conservative Brains
Because this came up elsewhere...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-un8rHP14
leon1122 (190 D)
15 Jun 16 UTC
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In other words, liberals accept every new sensational thing they hear at face value, while conservatives think them through before making a determination.
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
15 Jun 16 UTC
No, no, centrists think them through. Conservatives tend to fear new things. Because I'm the Ubermensch.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Jun 16 UTC
In other words, there are structural brain differences which are better predictors of your political affiliation that knowing your parent's political affiliation.

No in exactly those words.

What would be interesting is studying those same brain areas across cultures (ones with different political groupings) or age ranges (as 'conservativeness' has been suggested to change with age) or 100s of other interesting question you could ask about this...
leon1122 (190 D)
15 Jun 16 UTC
People who say they're centrists mostly just want to feel good about themselves. You, for one, are as far left as anyone else I've seen on this forum.
leon1122 (190 D)
15 Jun 16 UTC
"better predictors of your political affiliation that knowing your parent's political affiliation"

Children inherit genes from their parents that determine brain structure, so parents are likely to pass on their political affiliation as well.
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
15 Jun 16 UTC
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OR, maybe leftists and rightists are all assholes in my eyes and everyone is a leftist in yours because you've got no fucking clue how political science works.
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
15 Jun 16 UTC
Centrists are the superior ideologically because they tend to hold the most logical positions.
leon1122 (190 D)
15 Jun 16 UTC
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Everyone thinks their positions of logical. That means absolutely nothing.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Jun 16 UTC
@leon, yes and understanding wherher that brain structure is genetic or environmental is a fascinating question, because it leads us to wonder can you change a person's brain structure (and thus political alignment) through environmental conditions.

Why does the 'conservative' mind** appear to be more risk-averse? Why does the 'liberal' mind appear to be less conscientious? And can they be sculpted? Can you choose to do a course to make you more liberal?

**these categories are not solid and only roughly define anything, there are likely many edge cases. At Least 30% of humans...

And we know that, for example, Buddhist monks, who meditate for four hours a day have thicker brain regions (or more activity in some brain region, i forget the details) and these region are thinner (or less active) in people with depression.

How long before we are literally changing our minds? And how flexible are people's minds in the first place?
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
15 Jun 16 UTC
Centrists are built up on being logical. We logic our way to decisions. That is how we choose things, and we realize that liberals are off on points, and conservatives are off on points. We look at every issue that comes up and we put thought into it, whereas the liberal or conservative goes "HERE'S MY ANSWER I DON'T NEED TO SPEND TIME WITH IT ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!!!" That's not logical.
ghug (5068 D (B))
15 Jun 16 UTC
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Prado, you can consider every position independently and come to very liberal or very conservative opinions on most or even all. Just because some people blindly align themselves with a particular political party without considering the issues doesn't mean that no liberal or conservative is considering things logical.
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
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Prado, your position on political logic is so silly you've gotten me to +1 something leon wrote. Centrists don't have a monopoly on political thoughtfulness. There's nothing logically privileged about being in the middle of your culture's Overton window.

As always, xkcd is relevant:
https://xkcd.com/774/
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
16 Jun 16 UTC
You're just naive. If weight is given to all issues with careful thought and logic, you won't find yourself on the political left for each one, or on the political right for each one.
ghug (5068 D (B))
16 Jun 16 UTC
I had told myself that I wasn't going to make fun the smug naivete of people younger than me until I was a good deal older, but Prado makes it very difficult.
ghug (5068 D (B))
16 Jun 16 UTC
Like, do you realize that claiming that people of your political alignment are the only ones who think rationally is *exactly* the same thing you're constantly shitting on everyone else for?
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
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In many ways, Prado, the 'political left' and 'political right' aren't even coherent terms at the level of abstraction you're striving for. Are you a centrist in the US? That'd make you a raging conservative in most of western Europe, 'careful thought and logic' and all. (Meanwhile, Putin33 would consider the liberals of western Europe raging conservatives, and clearly leon views you as a raging lefty.) Through which window should I evaluate your so-called centrism?

Of course, there are few positions so liberal or so conservative that you can't find nutbags who are more liberal/conservative than you and declare yourself in the rational middle. But in that case, the rational 'middle' is filled with liberals and conservatives with substantial and systematic disagreements, rendering the term rather pointless.
Gobbledydook (1389 D (B))
16 Jun 16 UTC
The reason why so many topics are up for debate is because there is no correct answer. To suggest that you can rely on logic and facts alone to reach the 'correct' alignment is inane.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
16 Jun 16 UTC
But the brain structures... wait. TrPrado provide me a shred of evidence that centerists are more logical.

I have provided ample that suggests personality differences, and ACUTAL structural brain differences between left and right. (and fear-driven conservatives vs conscientious/care free liberals happens to make some sense of their emotional conclusions about, lets take a random topical issue, gay rights, for example)
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
16 Jun 16 UTC
By the very nature of being centrist. We are defined by logically coming to political conclusions with realistic solutions. Center-left and center-right aren't inherently illogical, but they are plagued by their emotional decision making to some degree. We see some ideas on the left and right for any given problem, see them hound over each other saying their idea is the best path without giving real credence. A centrist is the one who takes in all of it, looks down the road for end results, calculates out, and delivers pragmatism.
abgemacht (1076 D (G))
16 Jun 16 UTC
These aren't even absolute terms; it's all relative. Is a centrist in Mass as logical as a centrist in Mississippi? I think you'll find they wildly diverge on policy, despite both being centrist.
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
16 Jun 16 UTC
Yes, of course. Just as one would expect an ultra-conservative in Saudi Arabia to be afraid of new things as an ultra-conservative in the United States.
Octavious (1705 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
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The international element of this is interesting. An awful lot of British Conservatives would be considered liberal if they moved to the US. Quite what you'd expect their brains to look like I'm not sure.

The brain, just like every other part of the body, changes with use. Someone living in the country will have different uses from someone in a dense urban environment. For that reason alone you'd expect to see differences between conservative and liberal brains.

Also, it's a well known fact that true lefties have their eyes too close together ;)
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
One might as well say centrists are merely wafflers who can't articulate a coherent vision for the direction of their society. It'd be no less correct than your sneering depiction of non-centrists. Argument by stereotype (not to mention flattering self-image) is no way to arrive at a convincing conclusion.
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
In fact, I propose that your attitude towards non-centrists is itself more emotional than logical, a product of frustrating experience with relentless partisans rather than a cold-blooded analysis of logic and emotion across political spectra. If I am wrong, let's see the analysis. Goodness knows what you've provided so far doesn't qualify.
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
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And after all, what you've argued for the definitions of being 'left' or 'right' isn't all that accurate. The left isn't composed of people who are uniformly and universally left. The right isn't composed of people who are uniformly and universally right. A person may logically conclude that their positions on the few issues they consider most important are left-wing or right-wing, and this is not more or less logical than a person who concludes that their most important positions are some left, some right--or down the middle. But then, you haven't distinguished between 'centrism' as people who tend to take moderate positions, and 'centrism' as people who tend to take a mix of left-wing and right-wing positions, so this last point is perhaps premature.
Lethologica (203 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
(For an analysis of the significance of that distinction, see:
https://people.stanford.edu/dbroock/sites/default/files/ahler_broockman_ideological_innocence.pdf
)
steephie22 (182 D (S))
16 Jun 16 UTC
I aspire to be rational and pragmatic in politics, as TrPrado describes, but the thing there is that you can't judge the value of something if you don't know what your goal is. By TrPrado's definition, I would call myself centrist, but the goals I wish to achieve center around helping people. As such, I decide rationally, without caring whether a policy is left or right, what option helps people most in the end.

In practice, that means I'm more likely to support left plans concerning social support etc.
I would never turn down a policy on the basis of it being right, though. I judge it on its own values.

As such, I'd be mostly left (by European standards, so perhaps a radical communist by American standards), but I'd get there by judging the individual value of a policy based on what policy furthers the goals I consider important most.

As such, if I have to pick between left and right with no other options I say left for sure, but I still prefer to call myself a centrist as well, which I think is indeed a useless term if I get to call myself that.

Can I just call myself a left-leaning pragmatist? :-)
orathaic (1009 D (B))
16 Jun 16 UTC
Pragmatism may be logical, but logic doesn't have to be pragmatic.

Along the pragmatist-ideological spectrum, emotion and logic can play their parts.

You could fall in love with an idea and promote it despite it never being close to possible; or you could logically deduce that an ideological stance is worth fighting for despite it being impossible because the conversation is important to have and that is the end.

Or what Lethologica said about "a product of frustrating experience with relentless partisans" and pragmatism.

@"The international element of this is interesting. An awful lot of British Conservatives would be considered liberal if they moved to the US. Quite what you'd expect their brains to look like I'm not sure."

That is a really interesting question, my bet is they would look more like the conservatives in the US even when agreeing more with the liberals.

And that is because i think you grow accustomed to what is; that one you have (say) marriage equality for 10 years, it becomes normal and safe. So conservatives don't feel threatened by it anymore - so your brains can accept different realities/ideas, and still be pre-disposed towards hyper-alert to danger (or whatever way you want to characterise them)

But... i would much prefer to see data rather than me making stuff up ;)


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brainbomb (325 D)
15 Jun 16 UTC
Working on a new album
So ive been recording a ton this summer. Heres some of my new songs: https://m.soundcloud.com/mothlion
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CommanderByron (863 D (S))
16 Jun 16 UTC
Ecuador V USA
21:30 UTC -5

Anyone down to live discuss?
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Jamiet99uk (795 D)
16 Jun 16 UTC
Voting in 1970s Britain
An interesting article about the 1975 referendum:

http://scarfolk.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/voting-in-1970s.html
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
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Favourite Ancient Empires
Byzantine.
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Maniac (189 D (B))
12 Jun 16 UTC
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Gun control
Webdip has changed so much, back in the day after a mass shooting we'd have a thread within a minute, argue for days and then nothing would get done. Now we just leap straight to doing nothing. I miss the old times.
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Valis2501 (2750 D (G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Classic Game LF5M
A user has asked me to advertise their anonymous game which includes two coworkers.
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brainbomb (325 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
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Glass Eating: What is your favorite glass eating experience?
Im looking to get into competitive glass eating. Was wondering if anyone on webdip has done this and what the best venues are for glass eating.
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rm63 (100 D)
13 Jun 16 UTC
NEW ENGLAND PLAYER WANTED FOR WWI TEAM GAME!
England has gone into civil disorder so we need a new English player. This is a team game where the allies (Britain, France and Russia) fight the axis (Germany, Austria and Turkey).. England has missed a couple of phases but is still in a good position. The game ID is 179879. It is called "World War One team game". The password for the game is "shellshock". Once you have joined have a look at the other thread on the forum called "WWI team game" to get familiar with the rules.
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MKECharlie (1926 D (G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Fencing: What is your favorite weapon, and why?
Also, if you're American, did you vote in the recent USFA election? Do you think it'll have any affect on the tournament selection process in the New Jersey division?
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JEccles (421 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
New Classic Game
Just started this up. 50 point buy in, anon, 1 day phases.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=180213
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c0dyz (100 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
Farewell
Farewell kind folk. Summer approaches and my school friends and I will depart from the merry making until next year.
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principians (881 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
There are muslim creationists too
An I found very funny that they deny the big bang too https://www.scienceislam.com/pdf/Big_Bang.pdf
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Jamiet99uk (795 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
Sanders voters disenfranchied in California
Anyone in the US know how accurate this report is?

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/
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rm63 (100 D)
06 Jun 16 UTC
New World War I team game - played as 2 teams. Starting soon!
I've been wanting to do this for a long time. I'm not sure if it's been done before. Apologies if it's already been done. I've created a game called "WWI team game" and the idea is that we will recreate world war one by playing the game as 2 teams; the triple alliance consisting of Austria, Germany and turkey and the triple entente consisting of England, France and Russia.
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brainbomb (325 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
College World Series
Starts June 18th. Definetely as far as atmosphere it is among the finest sports events in the country every year. And its right here in Omaha.
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ssorenn (0 D X)
09 Jun 16 UTC
3 game gunboat tourney
post here or PM me if interested
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SLOTerp (100 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
NWO: Mushroom clouds forecasted in coming year.
The NWO game at Redscape is about to get a bit radioactive. If you haven't seen or played this massive variant, take a look. The GM and a few players put out some high quality press as well.
http://www.redscape.com/viewforum.php?f=141
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Musoeun (133 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
(Poll) How Many Draws Equal a Solo
I'm working on a project (may submit it to a zine, may just be for my own amusement) and I'm trying to find out what various Diplomacy communities view as the relationship in accomplishment between draws and solo victories.
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Hamilton Brian (696 D (B))
09 Jun 16 UTC
Revisiting the Key Lepanto that works
I want to see a game where it actually worked.
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brainbomb (325 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
Stanford Rapist
Ok can someone who understands law explain to me how this guy got off so easy?
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VirtualBob (242 D)
09 Jun 16 UTC
Ghost Forecast?
Just wondering.
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bo_sox48 (4992 D Mod (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Pet Peeves
It's pouring, the parking lot is flooding, and they just turned on the sprinklers for irrigation.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
08 Jun 16 UTC
Looking through some old games...
and I noticed that there was some feature called "All survivors win" from a game in 2010, why doesn't that exist anymore, why are there no units, and what are the rules?
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CommanderByron (863 D (S))
09 Jun 16 UTC
quality game
gameID=179917

PM for PW
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Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
27 May 16 UTC
Gen. Lee to host 2016 Confederate Grand Ball
Invitation inside.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
I know I did this before...
and that this is a forum on a webdiplomacy site that is meant for people to talk about random non-diplomacy based things, but what's everyone's favourite country?
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bo_sox48 (4992 D Mod (G))
08 Jun 16 UTC
Mel Carnahan 2016
They did it once, we can do it again!

#StillWithMel #RatherVoteForTheDeadGuy
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