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MKECharlie (1926 D (G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Fencing: What is your favorite weapon, and why?
Also, if you're American, did you vote in the recent USFA election? Do you think it'll have any affect on the tournament selection process in the New Jersey division?
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JEccles (425 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
New Classic Game
Just started this up. 50 point buy in, anon, 1 day phases.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=180213
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c0dyz (100 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
Farewell
Farewell kind folk. Summer approaches and my school friends and I will depart from the merry making until next year.
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principians (881 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
There are muslim creationists too
An I found very funny that they deny the big bang too https://www.scienceislam.com/pdf/Big_Bang.pdf
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
Sanders voters disenfranchied in California
Anyone in the US know how accurate this report is?

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/
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rm63 (100 D)
06 Jun 16 UTC
New World War I team game - played as 2 teams. Starting soon!
I've been wanting to do this for a long time. I'm not sure if it's been done before. Apologies if it's already been done. I've created a game called "WWI team game" and the idea is that we will recreate world war one by playing the game as 2 teams; the triple alliance consisting of Austria, Germany and turkey and the triple entente consisting of England, France and Russia.
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brainbomb (474 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
College World Series
Starts June 18th. Definetely as far as atmosphere it is among the finest sports events in the country every year. And its right here in Omaha.
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ssorenn (3242 D (G))
09 Jun 16 UTC
3 game gunboat tourney
post here or PM me if interested
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SLOTerp (100 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
NWO: Mushroom clouds forecasted in coming year.
The NWO game at Redscape is about to get a bit radioactive. If you haven't seen or played this massive variant, take a look. The GM and a few players put out some high quality press as well.
http://www.redscape.com/viewforum.php?f=141
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Musoeun (133 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
(Poll) How Many Draws Equal a Solo
I'm working on a project (may submit it to a zine, may just be for my own amusement) and I'm trying to find out what various Diplomacy communities view as the relationship in accomplishment between draws and solo victories.
Musoeun (133 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC

Note: webDiplomacy doesn't seem to have a forum poll feature, but if you can give answers in the thread that's close enough - I can tally them by hand. Poll options in the other forum I asked the question were 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6+: that poll will close in a week and I'll tally results here then too.

I want to state emphatically that I am NOT interested in discussing this site's (or any other site's or tournament's) scoring, ranking, rating, or other numerical evaluation of game performance. This is merely by way of satisfying my own curiosity about what the community here feels about game results: what do you see when you're looking at another player's record (or your own)?

Consider two hypothetical players:

Player A plays some number of games, of which he solos one and loses the rest.
Player B plays the same number of games, and draws every one.

That is, after each plays 2 games A has 1 solo and 1 loss while B 2 two draws, after 10 games A would have 1 solo and 9 losses while B has 10 draws, etc.

After how many games played are the two players' accomplishments approximately equivalent? For the mathematically inclined, if s is the value of a solo win and d is the (average) value of a draw, for what number of games n is the equation dn = s true? (For the purposes of the question, assume they don't play each other but play exactly equivalent-difficulty opponents. Assume also that all of B's results are "good" draws: no early cop-outs)
peterlund (1310 D (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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I'd say that I prefer 1 solo win over 5 DIAS draws.
peterlund (1310 D (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
If I sort of win in a SoS draw it is better than taking part in a DIAS(=Draw-Size Scoring) draw. 2 "wins" in SoS draws = 1 solo
yoak (1348 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
It seems to be that the most relevant thing is how many people are in the draws. Three two-way draws seem better than six five-way draws. A naive approach would be to count a draw as 1/n where n is the number of people in a draw, so that 3 three-way draws would equal one solo, etc. I think this under-values solos, but it is a start. Another factor is the number of players who started. Would you count a 3wd the same in Ancient Med and World? But when you account for that, you're starting to come close to the point system you don't want to discuss. :-)
TrPrado (441 D Mod)
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Infinite. Only a solo will do.
Bob the Lord (292 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
I'd say that 3 draws is a solo because I see a "loss" as being completely eliminated, and I view that very poorly, but if it is survived (which I still don't really like), I'd say 5 draws. If in the draw the player is the "fattest" I'd say 3 no matter what, as I love to draw in SOS when I'm fat because everyone doesn't want me to solo, but I gain many points
Bob the Lord (292 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
And sorry for talking about points ;P
Lethologica (203 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
A loss is better than a seven-way draw. (Except that one time.) Meanwhile, a two-way draw is about as impressive as a solo.
Octavious (1717 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
@ Musoeun

I don't think that your question works. You're not comparing solos and draws, but solos, defeats, and draws.

In my mind I am happy if I have a solo for every two losses. Draws, outside of tournaments that value them, are essentially neutral results that carry no weight either way for me.
Octavious (1717 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Oh, except for 2-ways. 2-ways are worse than defeats.
ghug (5046 D (B))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Unless you want zaneparks in the semis, eh Oct?
Octavious (1717 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
Zane out-manoeuvred me diplomatically. He found a weakness in my game and exploited it magnificently. He deserves far more credit for that achievement than he got.
peterlund (1310 D (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
@octavious: 2- ways are incestuous!
@Leth: Only alliance-happy fools 2WD.
bo_sox48 (4844 D Mod (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
@PF ... which is worse - a 2WD or Austria soloing in Scandinavia?

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orathaic (1009 D (B))
10 Jun 16 UTC
1 solo = 1 win, infinite draws = 0 wins.

Since the game is to solo, any other result is a loss. Being good at surviving to force a draw is not the same being being good at winning diplomacy.

So if the question is, how do you measure how good someone is at diplomacy, then the clearest answer is, solo. Draws are worth nothing.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
10 Jun 16 UTC
@Bob the lord, if you are the fattest member of the draw, then you did really badly failing to achieve a solo. If you were eliminated than perhaps you never had a chance... so you didn't do so badly.

If you are small but stop someone else getting a solo that is far more impressive than if you are big. If you survive with 5 other bigger players to a draw, then you have done far better than if you were the biggest player in that draw.

This is the kind of thinking that diplomacy encourages. When thinking about your allies, do you want them to be strong or weak? is it better to have weak allies who have proven themselves less than able to protect themselves, or a strong ally who is then a potential threat?
Lethologica (203 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
@PF: Alliance-happy fools they may be, but they were fools who were good enough to win and simply passed on it, unless I misunderstand how 2WDs usually play out. Scum who play the game wrong? Probably. But good.
When done correctly, I would say that a 2WD is the result of two strong players who are working together on the elimination of the third remaining power. Each is eliminating the third power in the expectation/hope that the other large power will make a mistake along the way. That mistake might open the door for a solo possibility. If both players are savvy and diligent, the third power is in fact eliminated and the count ends at 17/17. If one screws up, then the other might take advantage and record a solo. The tricky part is that there is no control over what the small power being eliminated will do, so you have to take into account all possibilities including that the small power will attempt to throw the game to the other large power.
eturnage (601 D (B))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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I don't think they compare. A draw after playing an interesting game of Diplomacy is a fine feeling. But a win, now that is glory.


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Hamilton Brian (807 D (B))
09 Jun 16 UTC
Revisiting the Key Lepanto that works
I want to see a game where it actually worked.
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brainbomb (474 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
Stanford Rapist
Ok can someone who understands law explain to me how this guy got off so easy?
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VirtualBob (242 D)
09 Jun 16 UTC
Ghost Forecast?
Just wondering.
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bo_sox48 (4844 D Mod (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Pet Peeves
It's pouring, the parking lot is flooding, and they just turned on the sprinklers for irrigation.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
08 Jun 16 UTC
Looking through some old games...
and I noticed that there was some feature called "All survivors win" from a game in 2010, why doesn't that exist anymore, why are there no units, and what are the rules?
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
09 Jun 16 UTC
quality game
gameID=179917

PM for PW
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Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
27 May 16 UTC
Gen. Lee to host 2016 Confederate Grand Ball
Invitation inside.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
I know I did this before...
and that this is a forum on a webdiplomacy site that is meant for people to talk about random non-diplomacy based things, but what's everyone's favourite country?
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bo_sox48 (4844 D Mod (G))
08 Jun 16 UTC
Mel Carnahan 2016
They did it once, we can do it again!

#StillWithMel #RatherVoteForTheDeadGuy
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08 Jun 16 UTC
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peterlund (1310 D (G))
05 Jun 16 UTC
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Likes and Liked question
On my profile it says "Likes: 1 / Liked: 29" but I do not know what that means. I did not find anything about it in the help/FAQ pages either. How does it work? How do I like another account?
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Bertson95 (119 D)
03 Jun 16 UTC
Any suggests for a new player?
I've plaied something like 10 games and i'm not sure my way of playing is good.

Any suggests for improving?
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
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Daily Bible Verses
Look, buddy - this is the word of the Lord.

http://the-toast.net/2016/06/06/bible-verses-where-behold-has-been-replaced-with-look-buddy/
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
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Remember that story about the Ukranian pilot that downed MH-17?
Refresher
https://www.rt.com/news/217295-mh17-ukraine-military-plane/
https://www.rt.com/news/216871-ukraine-military-mh17-report/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/25/mh17-russia-claims-to-have-airfield-witness-who-blames-ukrainian-pilot
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peterlund (1310 D (G))
04 Jun 16 UTC
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Gordon Brown "Lead not leave"
An excellent and important statement for civilisation:
https://youtu.be/gPX9MLALjAE
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Al Swearengen (0 D X)
30 May 16 UTC
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The Truth about Matthew Shepard
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
11 Mar 16 UTC
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The 2016 Local Tournament - Round 2
The full ruleset is available here: https://tinyurl.com/webDip2016local-rules
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Smokey Gem (189 D)
03 Jun 16 UTC
Dumb Questions
How do you get the game ID number ??
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Tolstoy (1993 D)
04 Jun 16 UTC
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The Death of a Real Legend
Muhammad Ali, Greatest Heavyweight Boxer Ever, Civil Rights Activist, Draft Resistor, and America's Most Famous Muslim, dead at 74.
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05 Jun 16 UTC
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