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President Eden (2427 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
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Dems/progs, are y'all really running Zuckerborg in 2020?
I know I know, insert "lul ReTHUGlicans nominated DONALD TUCKING DRUMPH xDDD" memes here.
Why is Zuckerborg on the short list of nominations right now though?
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MamaLama (212 D)
30 Nov 17 UTC
Mafia Style DImplomacy
What if we had a game type where everyone was completely anonymous such that no one knew what country anyone else was and it was global chat only
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Smokey Gem (189 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Australian Icons we have stolen.
What can you think of?


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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Must See Movie Reccomendations
So I like movies a lot and one of my goals in life is to watch every movie that is worth watching. I've seen most of AFIs top 100 and I have a to-watch list that is 168 films and counting. As such, I was curious if anyone here has some must-see movies that I may not know about.
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WyattS14 (0 D (B))
29 Nov 17 UTC
Music major?
I've considered pursuing a music major.. is the outcome worth the cost? It seems like the stereotype for music majors is that there's no real future.
What ARE the possibilities?
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Durga (2658 D)
23 Nov 17 UTC
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Where do you get your news from?
I'm curious as to where you guys are getting your information from, and what you read on the regular
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Claesar (2996 D Mod)
27 Nov 17 UTC
High-bet full-anon full-press game
Peace has come at last to the great Bunny Kingdom! Lead your clan of rabbits to glory by gathering resources and building new cities across the land!

gameID=211221
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brainbomb (474 D)
28 Nov 17 UTC
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The Arab Spring was a horrible failure
Can you name any countries that benefitted from the Arab Spring? Libya is literally a slave-state, Egyptians overthrew one leader only to overthrow the next, Iranian arab spring failed, Syria is a bloodbath. Is there a single positive that came from this movement?
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Durga (2658 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Liberal tops Conservative Game Board
gameID=206622 facts only or fake news
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Literary Pugilist (291 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Why no love for Sum of Squares scoring?
Personally, I'm not a big fan of Draw Size scoring, because it rewards the power that hung on with one dot the same as the 17 SC power that was a hair away from the solo.

What I've noticed is that almost every new game is Draw Size Scoring. Is that just because it's the default option or are players here just not fond of it.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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It is precisely because that stubborn small power shares equally in the draw that makes draw size scoring better than sum of squares where they get practically nothing for their effort.
One thing I've seen a lot of when looking through old games is the four way, five way draw. It seems like a lot of people are just playing for the draw. A scoring system that encouraged players to try for a higher SC count and thus more points, like Sum of Squares, might encourage players to not just take a draw as soon as a few powers were eliminated.
Octavious (1717 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Sum of Squares is a hideous system for the reason Jeff mentioned. I can understand its value in face to face events when there isn't enough time to play a game properly, but for online play with no such restrictions I really don't understand why it exists
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
5-player draws are weak. 4-player draws are pretty standard because two pairs make it to that stage. The trick is going to the next which often requires that extra diplomatic flair and persistence.
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Most people just play the default. PPSC was the most popular method of scoring when it was the default, and there wasn't so much as a single word of dissent when that was removed :).
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
Also, it is common for the player with the most SCs to get more than half of the points at stake with sum of squares scoring. That is just plain wrong.
Literary Pugilist (291 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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"Also, it is common for the player with the most SCs to get more than half of the points at stake with sum of squares scoring. That is just plain wrong."

That's a fair criticism. It just seems like Draw Size Scoring encourages draws. Maybe the alternate method proposed by Mercy would be better. The largest power gets half the pot, the rest is split between the survivors.
SkiingCougar (953 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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^^ http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1524356#1524356 I rly like this idea, please feel free to have your say and I'll do my best to defend this scoring system
bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
24 Nov 17 UTC
Draw Size Scoring encourages solos, not draws. Once a solo is stopped, it encourages people to cut the size of the draw, which I think is a little bit unfair. The risk of going for a solo is sometimes a bigger draw.
SkiingCougar (953 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
Except in the game I'm in at the moment where I started to go for a solo, but screwed it up. so instead of eliminating Austria who's on 2 sc's for the 3 way draw they've decide to eliminate me...
MajorMitchell (1033 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
I don't mind SoS scoring & nice bit of provocative bait HR. I just would like one, non default scoring system that wasn't winner takes all when someone solos. Why ? Because wta encourages a back stab when two players have a successful alliance, whereas if there was a non wta scoring system, then a "loyal lieutenant" can support his captain to a WIN and share in the success.
sevenbrokenbricks (100 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
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@MajorMitchell Never mind how the points would actually be split up, this system would reward second place for taking a dive, which seems contrary to the spirit of the game.
Durga (2658 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
i'm probably never going to play DSS again if I can avoid it tbh
swordsman3003 (12721 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
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I hate sum of squares and refuse to play.

I can’t stand playing any type of board game where a player is still a part of the game but has no chance of winning. In SoS the difference between getting elimated and having 1 center is almost nothing. In draw-size scoring, only one center is required t share in a draw (not a “win” per se but still something).

Nihilism sets in for near-dead players in SoS. In DSS they fight like wounded animals.
chluke (8515 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
I think SoS could be useful for limited duration tourney games that expect to typically end before a solo or full stalemate, but otherwise, DSS is is the only way! If you can make yourself crucial to the stalemate draw, then you deserve an equal part of the pie, and if not, you should be eliminated and get nothing..
Durga (2658 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
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I personally think cutting the draw is a long, tiring, and boring process that kills my desire to play diplomacy. Play to win. And if you don't win then who cares what the draw size is
Durga (2658 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
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Also, if you're topping the board I think that deserves to be recognized.
chluke (8515 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
I think far far too many players don't give the endgame their full attention, and I think this is usually the most exciting part of the game. Will you survive? Will you solo? Will someone try to cut you out? Do you throw, or can do you still have one more move to secure your place in the draw? Will someone else throw the solo before they are eliminated? Every move can be life or death for every player! So many players lose interest if the opening or mid-game doesn't go their way, and are missing out.
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
SoS is great until you have people on a couple of SC's who have absolutely nothing to play for. I'm not really a fan of DSS, but I do prefer it to SoS because of that.
chluke (8515 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
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So what system are you a fan of, HR? PPSC?!?
Durga (2658 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
HR is about that carnage scoring
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
Carnage is pretty decent tbh.
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
25 Nov 17 UTC
ManorCon works pretty well though. Basically SoS with a top-up for survival to allay the weakness of SoS with small powers.
chluke (8515 D (G))
26 Nov 17 UTC
How does Carnage scoring work?
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
26 Nov 17 UTC
Having played a fair bit of manorcon, I don’t think it results in different play incentives.

Carnage is essentially a ranked system- ranking players by SC count and then by eliminations. It’s a good system for shortening a game with a foregone non-solo conclusion- if your ranking won’t change you have no incentive not to draw.
Enriador (100 D)
26 Nov 17 UTC
I really like Sum-of-Squares. It's simply a different philosophy from Draw-Size.

In SoS, when you draw you get what you had, relative to the strength of the other powers. A 17 center power is much closer to a solo than a 4 center one, and as such points are divided proportionally.

I would defend Draw-Disvaluated Scoring as an alternative.
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
26 Nov 17 UTC
I think ManorCon and SoS probably have smaller differences in FTF because games have realistic time limits, whereas here games keep going forever. And it's also far easier to completely checkout online as opposed to a FTF event where you're hopefully enjoying yourself regardless.
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
27 Nov 17 UTC
BRING BACK PPSC!!
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Nov 17 UTC
oh hello, jamiet. what do you want now?

Abandon Omaha and #Give Oklahoma back to Native Americans!

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1516559#1516559
fourofswords (536 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
The funny thing is, why must the "Highlander" attitude? You know, "There can only be one!"...."It is the time of the quickening! Only one form of scoring can exist!" It's like saying that vanilla shakes cannot exist because chocolate shakes are better! What if the were.................3! 3 types of scoring! Would that be a drama tragedy mockery of a sham? Anyone ever heard the phrase, "to each their own"? How about the phrase, "quit bitchin' and play the game!" Sorry, folk, RL has ne down lately.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Get rid of Sum of Squares scoring and institute Sum of Square Roots scoring!
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
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HR: games here only go forever when you’re in them.
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
29 Nov 17 UTC
Those are live games :D

I was never in that World Cup game.
eturnage (601 D (B))
29 Nov 17 UTC
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SoS is necessary. First, it prepares you for playing in ftf events where it is now the standard. Second, most of you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. You see the smaller powers getting few points. However, the proper way to look at SoS is to consider how you can use the points as an argument for other people to switch their alliance. SoS creates an environment that is much more dynamic. More alliance changes. More stabs. It is a superior system when people are skilled at understanding how the points work and use the scoring system to argue their way into fluid alliances.
Condescension (10 D X)
29 Nov 17 UTC
SoS games last too long and losing players tend to just give up
yavuzovic (240 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
No, strong countries doesn't work to kill 1SC countries so games ends faster.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Right, because small countries give up. CDs are easy to eliminate.


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TrPrado (436 D Mod)
29 Nov 17 UTC
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ATC about to reach for a beer from the fridge
Anyone else excited?
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LeonWalras (419 D)
29 Nov 17 UTC
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The Paris Uprising of 1832 was a horrible failure
Can you name any characters that benefited from the Paris Uprising of 1832? Éponine is literally and figuratively heartbroken, Jean Valjean overcame Javert only to die of old age in the next bloody act. Is there a single positive that came from this musical?
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WyattS14 (0 D (B))
29 Nov 17 UTC
What's ATC?
As soon as I saw it I thought American Trans Club, but I was a little confused as to why they were reaching for a beer in the fridge..?
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
29 Nov 17 UTC
Who Are The Real Dinosaurs In Congress?
Republicans do a better job of promoting younger members, in part because they limit, to six years, the length of time a member can be chairman or chairwoman of a committee. Democrats do not impose term limits on committee leaders or so-called ranking members, the top slot for lawmakers who are in the minority.
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zultar (4170 D Mod (P))
24 Nov 17 UTC
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KansasBoyd has been banned.
For those interested.
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Smokey Gem (189 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
The Time between the darnkess.
There is darkness before and darkness after.

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c0dyz (100 D)
27 Nov 17 UTC
New game
Lookin to get a game goin. 1.5 day phases, full press, draw size scoring.
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WyattS14 (0 D (B))
27 Nov 17 UTC
Wood USB drive boxes?
Does anyone know where I can find some wood USB drive boxes or pull door handles made specifically in China?
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yavuzovic (240 D)
27 Nov 17 UTC
Are there any reader Josh Malerman?
I read Birdbox and Black Mad Wheel and I loved them.
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Ethanol (1780 D)
22 Nov 17 UTC
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Check boxes for Variant at Search function
Hi,

i would be happy if the search function gives the ability of picking a number of different variants due to check box.
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Stressedlines (1509 D)
08 Oct 17 UTC
Anyone here make their own beer/wine?
I have been doing this for many years, and was curious if anyone else did such. It is easily my only hobby I have that I care about..lol
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Tom Bombadil (4134 D (G))
01 Nov 17 UTC
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Mafia XXXII:Mountainous Cannibals and Friends
This thread is for Mafia XXXII Participants only
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Yoyoyozo (187 D)
23 Nov 17 UTC
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Happy Nondenominational Autumn Festival That Isnt About Killing Indiginous People
Happy NAFTI AKIP everyone
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ishirkmywork (1407 D)
25 Nov 17 UTC
My least favorite time of year.
http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/husband-of-hunting-accident-victim-her-life-was-cut-way-too-short/
http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/authorities-pick-up-shot-after-hunter-allegedly-mistakes-it-for-deer/
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Fluminator (496 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
Epic story: 3rd and final part of the trilogy.
Brainbomb
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zultar (4170 D Mod (P))
23 Nov 17 UTC
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New mobile website coming and happy Thanksgiving to those in the US
We are hoping to push a mobile website for webDip next week. If you want to check it out, it has been implemented on Vdip. We are very much looking forward to this change as it has been requested for multiple times and it looks pretty good. Let us know what you think.
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Heywood Jablowme (3 D)
26 Nov 17 UTC
Ranking?
How do I get a ranking in this game? I am sick of being a political puppet.
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MajorMitchell (1033 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
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Old Masters, New player names with fake IDs, Liniments & Tonics, etc,
Cheap nuclear weapons & perpetual motion machinery from wizzbang North Korean suppliers, do it yourself dentistry & surgical procedures kits for spouses, kids & let's. All available & More at the Sketchy, Dodgy & Fly~by~Night Warehouse Emporium.
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Yoyoyozo (187 D)
19 Nov 17 UTC
"Biggest Game of All Time" EOG
This thread is reserved for discussion of the gunboat game "Biggest Game of All Time" in which the some of the best gunboat players on the site slogged it out to see who would reign victorious
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President Eden (2427 D)
24 Nov 17 UTC
Gunboat musings
I have been playing a couple of gunboats lately and spectating a few more. None of these thoughts concern ongoing games, so I think this should be safe to post.
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