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Ogion (4375 D)
04 Oct 17 UTC
Hurricane Nate to hit Alabama?
oh, look another hurricane!

This one is tropical depression 16, but may pick up to hurricane strength.
Bo, thoughts?
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Condescension (10 D X)
01 Oct 17 UTC
Rival/hatred game variant
I'd like to play a game mode where each player is secretly given a unique rival (so no two players share a rival), and the only players counted at the end of the draw are those who have both survived and eliminated their rival. A solo doesn't need to eliminate their rival and rivals aren't necessarily symmetrical.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
In the 21st century...
Is the government right to use violence against its own citizens?

orathaic (1009 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
Really i'm thinking about Catalonia, but the Catalonia thread has been heavily derailed.

So lets talk about state violence. Police attacking protesters (these could be fascists, Black Bloc, or No DAPL protesters) or to take a less recent example, union busting thugs and national guardsmen being sent in to attack protesting coal miners (where eventually federal troops were sent in to stop the abuse by state actors)
orathaic (1009 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
When is it ok to use violence against your own people?

And when should the international community step in? (Or the EU in the case of an EU member state)?
Pompeii (683 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
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If those citizens violate laws which violate the rights of other citizens, or violate terms dictated in their nation's constitution.
StevenC. (1047 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
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When is it ok? In my opinion it's when citizens form mobs and start rioting, attacking bystanders, and destroying property en masse. However, even then there should be limits to state violence. In Catalonia for example, police were firing rubber bullets at people attempting to vote. That's way too heavy handed under those circumstances.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
@StevenC

So you take it that property is more important than human life? (kinda playing devil's advocate here, not because i've taken a specific side, but to clarify your views... which may help clarify mine)
Pompeii (683 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
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@Orathatic that's sort of a strawman. He's not saying property is more valuable than human life, but if they start to damage that then police have the right to use whatever means to bring them into custody. The way you presented it makes it seem like he's willing to have people be killed to protect property, which is not the case.
Randomizer (0 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
St. Louis police are being sued for going after people recording police violence against protesters.

http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/second-lawsuit-filed-against-st-louis-over-police-tactics-in/article_4be5bbc2-a364-11e7-80a9-573631a2478b.html
StevenC. (1047 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
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No, I don't think property is more important than human life. When people smash windows, light cars on fire, and attack random passer-bys, then the state should have the power to stop them (within reason) and arrest them for commiting a crime.
leon1122 (175 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
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Members of society should be helping to build it rather than destroy it. If someone is destroying property, they are a net negative on society and should be removed from it through any means necessary.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
@Leon, it is entirely plausible that a new walmart moving to your town has ruined the economy, has killed local businesses and that the property rights which walmart enjoys are destroying that community.

I'm not advocating FOR the destruction of property, but i can entirely see why a small local community would want to see Walmart 'run out of town'.

And in the more generic sense, there are people who see faceless multi-nationals as doing more damage to their community and society than they add.

Now i'm not expecting you to take this position, but i can see why some people do.

@Pompeii its not a strawman, it was a question. I didn't claim StevenC said something he didn't and then attacked (the strawman) for him saying thus. I merely enquired IF he was building that, for clarification (less the attacking step).

@StevenC So if property rights aren't more important, then should state violence be used to kill rioters?

I believe i have said violence is only justified in self-defence and defence of others. So i'll agree with you that 'attacking random passers-by' would justify the use of violence to stop it. I was more curious about the 'lighting cars on fire' and 'smashing windows' part...
leon1122 (175 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
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That's a moot point, orathaic. The vast majority of riots thus far have destroyed small businesses. The people who are rioting have no such higher goals for their rioting. They are rioting for the sake of rioting because they enjoy causing mayhem.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
03 Oct 17 UTC
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Nope.
JamesYanik (548 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
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This is dealing with property rights again. If the police aren't allowed to depend people's property, then am i allowed to defend my home if someone tries to burn it down? should i be allowed to use violence to protect physical property?

adding the police into the equation is just an extra step and that's messing with people's heads
Octavious (1717 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
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It's also worth pointing out that one can't destroy or steal property without inflicting a large range of other consequences. A looted shop has a terrified family living above it. A car set on fire has the potential to spread the fire further and put lives at risk. Let's not pretend that there exists a kind of rioting with purely financial consequences.
Ogion (4375 D)
04 Oct 17 UTC
How about property that is killing people?
Ogion (4375 D)
04 Oct 17 UTC
Orathaic, the state uses violence all the time to enforce various laws.

The question is where that authority ends

I think attacking peaceful protestors is a sign of authoritarianism. I think that if someone in a crowd breaks property the police would be justified to arrest that person only. Arresting people who are otherwise peaceful or just walking by is out of bounds. Shooting people who pose no threat is murder.

And sometimes destroying property is justified in self defense or the defense of others.

Say: a bomb.
Ogion (4375 D)
04 Oct 17 UTC
Octavious, that's a good point, which means the kinds of injustice that cause rioting also ought to be against the law
orathaic (1009 D (B))
04 Oct 17 UTC
@'The question is where that authority ends'

Yes, that is what i'm asking...


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gyroelongated (100 D)
04 Oct 17 UTC
Unknown Player in Anonymous Private Game
I'm completely new to Diplomacy and this website. I made a private game and explained to my friends how to join my private match. Though only 2 people say they've joined, I have 3 anonymous players other than myself registered. Is it possible one of them joined twice? I know by the time stamps that it was one of the first two players who joined the game, the times are only a minute apart, and I am wondering if the small time frame is just a player joining twice.
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cspieker (18223 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
HTML hack the "move preview"
Is this why I always lose?
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captainmeme (1126 D Mod)
11 Sep 17 UTC
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Mafia 31: Deja Vu
This thread is for participants of Mafia 31 only.
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Deeply_Dippy (388 D)
02 Oct 17 UTC
Issue #139 (Fall 2017) of Diplomacy World is now available
Highlights include various tributes to the late Jim-Bob Burgess as well as his last ever article, an interview with Siobhan Nolen.

Get it while it's hot! http://www.diplomacyworld.net/
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HBbuc (113 D)
03 Oct 17 UTC
Battle for McDonald's!!
Join the battle for McDonald's across the plains of America, the seas of the Caribbean, and the tundras of Canada!!
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Smokey Gem (184 D)
27 Sep 17 UTC
Australian 1v1 Title match
Are you an aussie living in aussie or overseas ( must be Australian not a tourist). I am looking to establish the best 1v1 player we have.
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Hamilton Brian (732 D (B))
14 Sep 17 UTC
Hamilton Brian Invitational
Dippers! I am looking at setting up semi-anonymous ranked WTA games @20 points each. There will be one each of full press, gunboat, and public press. Ideally the RR% will be at or better than 85%. PM me if you are interested in joining. Once I have the 6 candidates, games will be set up and passwords will be sent.
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MajorMitchell (1033 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Vale Hugh Hefner
Hugh Hefner dies at age 91. A controversial character, extremely successful businessman, championed some Liberal causes, gay rights, marriage equality, Native American rights, gave many authors a break, eg Alex Haley, but also it has to be said, contributed to the objectification of women and exploited women for financial gain.
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bo_sox48 (4844 D Mod (G))
27 Sep 17 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
Claesar has agreed to join the mod team. Please join me in thanking him for volunteering to help us keep the site cheater free and wish him well as he sacrifices any semblance of a social life in the name of making webDip great again.
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Condescension (10 D X)
26 Sep 17 UTC
German opening strategy
What are your thoughts on German opening strategy? Apart from the west, how do you try to manipulate the eastern sphere?
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lalalandfg99 (102 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
How to actually put the commands for a support move?
Hey guys its been a while for me and I was wondering if someone could go into depth about support moves and holds?
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captainmeme (1126 D Mod)
24 Sep 17 UTC
Top FvA Players - What's your nationality?
See inside...
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
14 Sep 17 UTC
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Official Webdipia Game Thread (Sim 3)
This thread is for players of "Alternative History Simulator 3: A New World"
-All standard forum rules apply
-To join PM CommanderByron and he will give instruction.
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Enriador (100 D)
26 Sep 17 UTC
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[Suggestion] Alternate winning conditions
vDiplomacy has a way to set up "alternate winning conditions", e.g. to customize how many turns are played and/or how many SCs need to be conquered before a winner is declared. For example, we can have a game of Classic running for 14 turns (Fall 1907).
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AnawerCZ (108 D)
30 Sep 17 UTC
links in private massages
Is it legal to post links in messages between countries?
5 replies
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YanksFan47 (190 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Secret Hitler Take 2 Sign-Up Thread
Game 1 has been scrapped, and thus we are trying once more. See inside for details.
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Condescension (10 D X)
18 Sep 17 UTC
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Secret Hitler Game 1
Please only post in this thread if you are playing. Players, please learn all the rules of the game. Watch let's plays or something as well. Ask me questions in PMs ONLY.
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Qacper (1122 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
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Polish speaking players
Hi all,
I am trying to set up a game with Polish as a communication language. Is there anyone interested?
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Amaruq (100 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
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FFS WHY?
Why does online Diplomacy give me Germany to start with in every single game I sign up for?
Seriously, does it use region-based IP-checking? Because I'd really like to try out different countries and strategies.
And no, taking over Leavers doesn't count because you always get a losing position way past the point of getting a proper strategy rolled out (that's why the original player threw the game)
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captainmeme (1126 D Mod)
08 Aug 17 UTC
1v1 Showdown - An Update
110 players entered. After 8 months, 11 are still fighting for the title, and of those 11, just 2 remain undefeated.

That number is about to become 1.
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yavuzovic (255 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Spambot. What does it mean?
I saw two players banned for Spambot. What does Spambot mean? I can't remember this from Rules.
4 replies
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Question for the mods (and ex-mods)
What's the strangest / worst excuse you've received in response to a cheating, metagaming, etc. email?
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ubercacher16 (259 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Force draw.
How would I go about asking the mods to force draw a game which has gone on to long?
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Royalty (0 D X)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Hello Still Searching the solution is here
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HBbuc (113 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
New GUI
I don't know much about updating graphics for websites, how much work do you think it would be to update the GUI of this website. And if it is easy, should they or do people prefer the current graphics?
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leon1122 (175 D)
28 Sep 17 UTC
Movement Question
Say Country 1 has units A and B and Country 2 has units C and D. What would happen if A supports B to C, and C supports D to B at the same time? Do the moves cancel out, or does B move to C (dislodging it) and D moves to B?
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
27 Sep 17 UTC
Who can be a GM
If my High school History class plans on making a private Webdip game, is it possible to have the teacher be the GM or can only mods do that.

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