Flum i thought you liked martin van buren. English was his second language. He was the first democrat hack and 'community organizer'

Van, Van, is a used-up man.

Flum likes JFK? The fuck?

He stopped Operation Northwoods which showed he had a bit of a conscience unlike most presidents.

"Awful person but decent president Tier:
L. B. Johnson"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"decent president"

you have got to be fucking kidding me

Just because he was a sociopathic bully who got off on intimidating people, doesn't mean he was a bad president.

"Let's fund this major social program AND a full scale war effort AT THE SAME TIME"

At least he funded them....unlike Dubya.

It's so much "smarter" to continually fund wars and a massive military, transfer wealth from workers and the middle class to the wealthy, make corporate welfare the biggest teat being suckled and ignore pressing social needs ...

@MajorMitchell: Perhaps you missed my point. The war in Iraq was never funded. It was paid for by massively ramping up the national debt. If U.S. citizens were told honestly what the cost of war would have been, it never would have happened.

I should say, told the cost and asked to pay for it with revenue increases (aka taxes).

Trump is the best US President.

This guy's got jokes.

Trump has the worst approval ratings of any president at this time in office. So much for his promised awesome 200 days.

So much winning...

Washington and Lincoln make up the God-tier. FDR is great in my book but can't touch the top level because of his criminal internment of Japanese Americans. My pick for the most underrated President of all time would be Ulysses S. Grant. Most overrated would be Theodore Roosevelt. Overall worst? Tough race between Andrew Johnson and George W. Bush.

Of course a lot of this is based on your politics.

Can't get on the liberal bandwagon for JFK or Johnson because despite representing probably the peak of the US domestic welfare state (a very good thing imo) they were both awful war criminals.

Most forgotten is Buchanan and he's definitely the worst.

Yeah, probably a tight race for worst between Buchanan, Johnson, Hoover, Bush II. I was trying to do a contrarian take.

Nah Obama takes the cake when it comes to one of the worst.. probably tied with Carter.

Trump is at about 50% approval according to Rasmussen.

Obama left with 60%. *thinking face emoji*

Wait, you seriously think Obama and Carter are worse than presidents like Pierce, Buchanan, Nixon, and Johnson?

I mean Carter was pretty damn awful.

Yeah, but at least he was a good person.

I am working on a list for you all

Everything great Carter did came after he left the office.

Reagan was a good person but his decency was maligned by liberals as bafoonery. Yet his policies, reduced nuclear arms for the first time, reformed the tax code, us sure in prosperity, increase tax revenues, virtually ended the cold war, brought decency and style to the whitehouse, turned a demoralized military into a formidable force and did all of this without full control of congress meaning he did it in a bi-partisan manner.

*Ushered in prosperity

ND’s List *for real*


God Emperor Tier:
Donald J. Trump aka God Emperor
Andrew Jackson: Preserved the Union, broke up bank of the United States, and fought for the common man.
The Founding Father(s) Presidents: Started the United States and created the USA!

Excellent Tier:
Ronald Reagan: Reagan Revolution! Began the process which ended the evil empire ‘Soviet Union’.
Calvin Coolidge: Ever hear of the Roaring Twenties and the amazing economy and times of peace?
Warren G. Harding: Above, but not as much

Good Tier:
Abraham Lincoln: Preserved the Union, good guy, first GOP President
James Polk: Texas, heck yeah. Never stopped working and worked for the people

Got a Bad Rap, but was actually pretty good Tier:
Richard Nixon: Great Foreign Policy and actually wanted to end Vietnam by the end of his term. Got a bad rap for the Watergate stuff which looks like child play after all the news about the how Obama surveilled Trump and unmasked his people like Flynn.

Average Tier:
Dwight Eisenhower: Interstates, heck yeah.
Harry Truman: Fought the Communists and ended the war in Japan.
FDR: Won WWII, but Great Depression policies created a lot of big liberal gov't policies and mess.

Honorary Mention for most Corrupt Tier and forgettable:
Ulysses S. Grant: Good General, but corrupt has hell.
Most of the 1870s-90s Presidents fit the category for corrupt and forgettable

Above Bad, but not Good:
Teddy: Progressive Republican which helped start part of the problems that exist today. Did some good stuff with some of the natural parks though.
Taft: Okay, I guess

Bad Tier:
Andrew Johnson: Fiasco couldn’t do anything following the end of the Civil War.
James Buchanan: Fiasco couldn’t prevent the Civil War.
Martin Van Buren: There is a reason the term ‘Van Ruin’ exists.
Herbert Hoover: Couldn’t stop Great Depresison.
JFK/Lyndon Johnson: Part of the reason we are in such a mess all this big liberal welfare state stuff today. Started Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, bad foreign policy.
George H. Bush: No more taxes, yeah right. Lied.
Woodrow Wilson: Terrible. Lied about WWI.

Not Terrible but pretty bad tier:
George W. Bush: Warmonger and lied about WMD’s

Terrible and couldn’t get anything done Tier:
Obama: Pen and the Phone President. One accomplishment is Obamacare which is hurting millions of people.
Ford: Did nothing
Carter: Did nothing
Millard Fillmore: Do Nothing President lol