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Durga (3659 D)
30 Jan 17 UTC
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HDV as default
I'm wondering if the mods would consider making HDV the default setting because no HDV is trash.
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Chaqa (4027 D (B))
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Ideas for resistance
what should we be doing as WebDippers and internet citizens to combat creeping mod fascism?
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Jamiet99uk (443 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Trump to publish weekly list of crimes by immigrants
This will include crimes involving *legal* migrants, not just illegals. Does it feel like mid 1930s Germany yet, or what?
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Matticus13 (3111 D)
30 Jan 17 UTC
Odds on Trump Serving/Not Serving Full Term
Current odds on Trump being impeached/resigning: 11/10
Serving full term: 8/11

Hypothetical: You have to bet one. What's your money on?
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captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
30 Jan 17 UTC
Petition to make Hidden Draw Votes the Default Setting
See title.
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Chaqa (4027 D (B))
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Petition to ban petitions
1. Chaqa
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Jamiet99uk (443 D)
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Petition to ban petitions to ban petitions, but permit all others that are not spammy
1. Jamiet99uk
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brainbomb (325 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Unprecedented silencing of EPA, USDA, what is next
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?
Our national parks are being blocked from posting climate change data? The USDA, EPA are being bullied? What is this gestapo fucking horse shot?
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fiedler (1293 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
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MAGA - what a great speech! Future looks bright.
Must be exciting to be an american today. Prosperity and optimism and winning are so much more fun than divisive bullying and globalist theft and war with russia. Plus Barron is hilarious. Glorious stuff! Good on you democracy.
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2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Chat on mobile bug?
When I open the in-game messaging window on mobile (Chrome, iOS) my country messages have been "resetting" to a past (earlier) message spontaneously, forcing me to scroll down in the tiny chat window to read the latest message. Anyone else seeing this?
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brainbomb (325 D)
10 Jan 17 UTC
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9 days sober
I feel different. Alot different. My anxiety is not as bad. I dont feel super angry
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leon1122 (170 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Trump effort to defund sanctuary cities is a success!
Miami mayor has revoked the city's sanctuary status!

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article128984759.html
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yavuzovic (601 D)
29 Jan 17 UTC
Why I cannot create a Known World 901 game at the moment?
There is not choice. Could online players look at the game creator?
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Frothly (159 D)
29 Jan 17 UTC
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US judge temporarily halts deportations due to Trump's executive order
The ruling prevented the removal from the US of people with approved refugee applications, valid visas, and "other individuals... legally authorized to enter the United States".
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brainbomb (325 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Site feature request
I was wondering if one of the programmery type mods could go into the source code for my account, and create an auto mute for me for any thread that contains a letter string of "Tr".
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Condescension (10 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Hey, conservatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Literally everything you need to know about why your economic theory is bunk.
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ghug (5031 D (B))
03 Feb 15 UTC
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ADVERTISE YOUR LIVE GAMES HERE
Advertise your live games here and only here.
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captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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1v1 Showdown Stats
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DhYZtnNINPxREZGAVYY2vnFZtPPNmto180cUMNCJXfc/edit?usp=sharing

It's still very early on, but these will be updated as the 1v1 Showdown progresses.
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Chumbles (904 D (S))
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Feeling Crumpled and Trumpled?
Then send out your gunboats abd rule the world: No in-game messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring!

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189779
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Chaqa (4027 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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Trump using police to steal candy from babies
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! We can't let this stand.

#NoCandyForBabyTrump
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JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@Manwe Sulimo

yes, but Trade Agreements between countries can create a non-open trade markets.

In terms of "free" i'm talking about fees and tariffs.

non-open trade openly restrict some products, as decided by the countries. THIS can be effective through negotiation and compromise.

It depends on how you define your terms, but with tariffs you are 99% correct

(sometimes they work to create self-sufficient markets in a country, such as nigeria and agriculture)
brainbomb (325 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
Fielder reminds me of the types who supported ammon bundy.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
i hope fiedler doesn't have a gun. he'll shoot his eye out
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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"you know we have internal tariffs, sale tax."

yes but we don't say "WHAT? a tax??? I'm going to go spend my money in a different country. it still stays within our economy

"if we use tariffs as a revenue source i am on board."

yes but counter-tariffs will make us lose net-exports. i don't want to help the gov't revenue at the expense of businesses!

"especially when it is combined with the loss of our technological advantage."

in response to complaints about Germany dominating the auto industry, one spokesman replied "make better cars"

don't whine, take action.

"a good stiff tariff on cheap chinese solar panels and anything made there by apple is on my list."

Trade agreements that RESULT in a tariff i'd be more fine with, but one sided tariffs almost always lead to a trade war.
fiedler (1293 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
sigh...tariffs are essentially a political tool....
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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wow bb it looks like a nice place: Garden Cafe is a premier bakery, restaurant and caterer in Omaha NE since 1985.
brainbomb (325 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
Yep. Were the best catering in the omaha area for 2016.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Owens Corning was on board to make the glass for the i phone but Jobs decided to choose cheap labor to supplant them and then pocketed the profits. the jobs at an apple store are a joke as far as wages are. a little tariff bump is not a bad thing
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
27 Jan 17 UTC
You can't pay for government with "a little bump"
brainbomb (325 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
I dont hate republicans. I hate racist idiots. Trump is just a fuckstain that republicans decided fit their idea of what conservativism should be. (Winning)
brainbomb (325 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
Literally Trump could sign an executive order calling for FGM and Republicans would look bleary eyed with joy.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
"@Manwe Sulimo

yes, but Trade Agreements between countries can create a non-open trade markets.

In terms of "free" i'm talking about fees and tariffs.

non-open trade openly restrict some products, as decided by the countries. THIS can be effective through negotiation and compromise.

It depends on how you define your terms, but with tariffs you are 99% correct

(sometimes they work to create self-sufficient markets in a country, such as nigeria and agriculture)"

Even if the tariff serves a purpose as you claim it does in Nigeria, I guarantee that there is a dead-weight loss there, most likely coming from lost consumer surplus. Math doesn't lie.

Sales taxes should be eliminated in my opinion. And many poorer governments do have higher tariffs for the sole reason that they are easier to collect than thinks like income or sales taxes which people can lie about. But doing so harms the consumers more than it helps the government.
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@CAPT Brad

Steve Jobs wants to use cheaper iPhone screen material

Scenarios:

US Gov't sets tariff: Jobs still gets iPhone material from overseas at approximately the same price or less, Chinese economy still profits form trade, US profits from trade, US business loses

US Gov't sets tariff: Jobs doesn't get iPhone material from overseas, because the tariff is so high it's not economically practical, so the US business gets the deal and wins. China upset they're losing on trade, and raises tariffs on some of our exports, some of which might be industries that are weak.

US Gov't contact China. They agree that they will still recognize China as a NME for the WTO for another year if they increase taxes on US businesses moving in, trying to economically dissuade them, while still reaping other benefits.


scenario 1 US business loses and we don't like it. scenario 2 US business wins but at the expense of other US business. scenario 3 US business wins and no other businesses have to take losses on their exports.
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@Manwe Sulimo

yes it did create a dead-weight loss, but the social impact was invaluable. They're potentially done with the previous cycles of military regimes takeovers because of food independence and stability. That from an economic standpoint could prove invaluable.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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hey if we stopped shipping money the chinese they couldn't afford to buy our government bonds and notes then the damn congress couldn't get anyone to buy the debt and then might have to cut spending when there wasn't enough to pay for everything.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
As of September 2014, foreigners owned $6.06 trillion of U.S. debt, or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public of $12.8 trillion and 34% of the total debt of $17.8 trillion. The largest holders were China, Japan, Belgium, the Caribbean banking centers, and oil exporters.
National debt of the United States - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt

@CAPT Brad

don't lecture me on the foreign debt, also, China has been SELLING our debt. I'm leaving a link at the top of this comment for the most up to date Treasury report
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@CAPT Brad

liberal economics don't generally fix the problems that liberal economics create
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
In scenarios 2 and 3 above, U.S. consumers lose more than U.S. businesses so that the U.S. loses overall if a tariff is put in place no matter what. I think that is important to include.

"@Manwe Sulimo

yes it did create a dead-weight loss, but the social impact was invaluable. They're potentially done with the previous cycles of military regimes takeovers because of food independence and stability. That from an economic standpoint could prove invaluable."

The proper thing should have been to use the U.N. to enter the country if humanitarian issues were afoot. All that was done was to replace one wrong with another. If tariffs were needed to help producers survive, that means the population could previously obtain food easier from trade.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
"more than U.S. businesses gain" it should read
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
27 Jan 17 UTC
the UN is as useful as a flat spare tire
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
"the UN is as useful as a flat spare tire"
Agreed, they are terrible at accomplishing much of anything.
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@Manwe Sulimo

"In scenarios 2 and 3 above, U.S. consumers lose more than U.S. businesses so that the U.S. loses overall if a tariff is put in place no matter what. I think that is important to include."

actually this is not correct.
in scenario 1 the price is so much lower for Jobs so he takes it, the Us gov't gets revenue, Chinese economy grows, the US business loses, US consumer gets a cheaper product.
BUT China still will try to compensate feeling sightly cheated from tariffs, so they raise theirs nonetheless. the US business that didn't get the contract, PLUS the new tariffs affecting businesses overall hurt the consumer more on aggregate than the short term gain from a cheaper iPhone. ALSO, there's no such thing as a cheaper iPhone. They calculate the quantity demanded at certain prices beforehand, and they try to cut EVERYWHERE on costs. if the chinese deal doesn't go through, they won't raise the price, because that will lower demand. They have to stay. This isn't a matter of narrow profit margins:

Apple finds the max price they can get with still full normal demand, and they cut costs. If they can't cut as much as they wanted, they can't just up the price, because demand will lower.

Your theory only works with MASS BULK products on THIN margins.


"The proper thing should have been to use the U.N. to enter the country if humanitarian issues were afoot."

NO. If Nigeria had done THAT, they'd still be dependent on a foreign country to feed their people!

"All that was done was to replace one wrong with another. If tariffs were needed to help producers survive, that means the population could previously obtain food easier from trade."

yes, right up until those foreign producers started abusing their influence by demanding political favors or else they'd increase prices on food, starving the population. self-sufficiency is best.
TrPrado (461 D Mod)
27 Jan 17 UTC
Arguably, without the UN the Cold War wouldn't have been so cold :)
WolfsBane626 (245 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Trump is a nationalist. All he wants is to help all legal citizens in the USA. He wants t help the people in Chicago, the people in the city, the people getting raped in the south west.
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
To clarify on my Apple point

they think the iPhone will cost $100 to produce

they look at past prices, consumer price index for inflation, they do multiple polls, and create a demand schedule

000$ - 100% Demand (it's free)
100$ - 50% Demand (it's still cheap range, but profits aren't here.
200$ - 30% Demand (now they see that doubling price, doesn't cut demand in half. therefore it's GOOD to continue raising price.)
400$ - 20% Demand (still doubling price doesn't cut demand in half. we're almost at optimal
800$ - 05% Demand (oh no too far!)
500$ - 20% Demand (no change from 400... let's see if this is the threshold [this effect is caused by a contingency by BRAND that Apple has created, which will continue to buy, and has a different threshold than the normal populous])
600$ - 10% Demand (okay that was the threshold, let's look for the rate of change)

so let's assume they do more polls within the 500-600$ range and they find 500$ is in fact optimal.

Increasing the price 1% will lower demand more than 1%, so it's BAD.

However, if suddenly your base expenses are at 150$ because you can't get cheap glass in china, let's see what we can do...

raising prices to make up for profit, loses aggregate income because of lowering demand!



What you're advocating is kind of like pseudo-supply side economics, which isn't very smart as fiscal policy. Prices and Supply don't always act consistently because of the nature of Demand interfering, whereas Demand is more easily measured in its changes. Only in cases of small profit margins do we see this effect really occur.
Praetorian72 (100 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
10 bet, 12 hour phases, full press
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=190151
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
http://www.mhhe.com/economics/pugel12e/keygraph/keygraph2m.jpg

Take a look at this image. For country to be importin g a product, that must mean that the price charged by a foreign country is less than the price charged by home firms in equilibrium. A tariff will cause the price of all products, regardless of the seller, to rise by the amount of the tariff. When this happens, area A turns from consumer surplus to producer surplus, area C turns from consumer surplus to government revenue, and area b and d move from consumer surplus to nothing, this is the dead-weight loss. Home businesses will gain, foreign businesses will be hurt, government will gain, consumers will lose more than businesses and government gain. This will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happen no matter how you change up the scenario. If this is the only tariff put in place, then b and d is the dead-weight loss. If the foreign country retaliates with a tariff of their own, then a new b+d dead-weight loss will be created and so on. The more counter-tariffs produced, the more the countries harm their own citizens.

Apple deciding what price to sell and how many to sell is an entirely unrelated topic, but to clear it up, they will sell where their marginal revenue equals their marginal cost because that will always lead to profit maximization for any firm. The price will be whatever point on the demand curve this quantity corresponds with. Profit margins will result from this process but aren't used during it.

""The proper thing should have been to use the U.N. to enter the country if humanitarian issues were afoot."

NO. If Nigeria had done THAT, they'd still be dependent on a foreign country to feed their people!

"All that was done was to replace one wrong with another. If tariffs were needed to help producers survive, that means the population could previously obtain food easier from trade."

yes, right up until those foreign producers started abusing their influence by demanding political favors or else they'd increase prices on food, starving the population. self-sufficiency is best."

I'm actually 100% for free basic food and basic housing being offered to any citizen who needs it, with the U.N. filling in when a country could not uphold its commitments, so being dependent on food from another country would never be an issue if I were deciding what gets done and what doesn't. But, that would be my solution, not tariffs.
Nikov (410 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
Quick question: How and why did we change from a joke about stealing candy from a baby to a serious debate on the feasibility of tariffs?
Yoyoyozo (177 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Feidler,
It is against the rules to make abusive and/or degrading posts target specific members, or groups.

Since you were previously warned for forum rule infractions, you have been silenced for 48 hours. Please refrain from making abusive comments.

webDiplomacy Moderator

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dannystores (0 D X)
28 Jan 17 UTC
Apple iPhone 6S Plus – 64GB Unlocked == $500
Apple iPhone 6s Plus 128GB Unlocked == $520
Apple iPhone 6S Plus – 64GB Unlocked == $500
Apple iPhone 6S Plus – 16GB Unlocked == $470
Contact: jjconrow1(@)gmail.com
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
27 Jan 17 UTC
Is Trump manipulating foreign currency markets?
Trump makes announcements that affect the Mexican Peso (usually negatively) and yet his financials are a mystery. Is it possible that he is personally trading on the markets that he can influence so much or am I being paranoid?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
DOOMSDAY IS HERE
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/science/doomsday-clock-countdown-2017.html?_r=0
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goldfinger0303 (3155 D Mod)
26 Sep 16 UTC
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Announcing the 2016 WebDiplomacy World Cup!
Come one, come all! This storied tournament is a clash of nations, so gather your pride and some comrades in arms to show this site why YOUR Country/Region is better than the rest!
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
27 Jan 17 UTC
Gun boat classic game 16 hour phases
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=190232
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brainbomb (325 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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THa Govarnment is full of Jipsees, Tramps and Theieves
Prasident Tramp plans to is ban abba, jipsees and all origami from entering America. #Freedom yo
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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CIA and ongoing covil disturbance in the US...
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/seymour-hersh-blasts-media-for-uncritically-promoting-russian-hacking-story/

Tl;dr the CIA posted an opinion piece, the media incritically reported it as true.
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Yoyoyozo (177 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
Yoyo live gunboat series.
Gunboat. 5min/phase. Every Sunday at 4pm CST. I'll post in this thread when a new game goes up, with in dept End of Game Analysis at the end, for open discussion. Post here or PM me to express interest.
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djnogueira (240 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Last turn of a certain dead player can capture province?
Consider Autumn turn. A player has a single original supply center. His last unit is somewhere else.
His last supply center is captured. He will be dead when Fall begins. However, he is in a position where he can capture one of my many supply centers. Will I lose that supply center in the Fall if he moves to that providence?
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principians (881 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
why is switzerland so rich?
First video in english of this channel, you might find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLs5G4SPP4
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