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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
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So apparently you can't join more than 10 games...
WebDip thinks I have a life. Funny
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ssorenn (0 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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My gunboats are over, time for some new ones
36h,dss, 25pt, gunboats
3 games--please join if you can play all three
Please ready if you can-----
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fourofswords (415 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Can we get 901 back?
Is it possible to get known world 901 variant back? with or without fixing bugs? It seems enough people like it.
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Condescension (10 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
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In less than 24 hours, a lunatic will be in control of the nuclear football.
We're fucked.
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The Ambassador (129 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Latest podcast of Diplomacy Games
New podcast episode of DiplomacyGames.com is now live on the website, iTunes & Stitcher. Kaner and I trade barbs over our 1v1 performance, we go down the rabbit hole about the direction of the various Dip sites and have a bit of fun discussing the Africa variant over at VDip. Enjoy!
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Jan 17 UTC
Thomas Sowell
The worst president ever

https://youtu.be/0UpiNiaak18
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TrPrado (461 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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Most Important Thread of the Year
The Oscars
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
14 Jan 17 UTC
Phantasmagoria?
I'm a little confused as to how you would use the word phantasmagorical/phantasmagoria/etc. I understand the words meaning, but would it be used as a negative connotation or positive connotation?
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Ezio (1731 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Most Elegant Stab
I am trying to find some examples of pretty looking stabs. I know people take pride in them, so what do you think is the best stab you've ever done on the site?
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0k0k0 (4755 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Why can't I create a Known World Game?
The option does not appear in the list of variants.
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sirKristof (15 DX)
23 Jan 17 UTC
901?
I've been unable to find or create any new 901 variant games for a while now. It's still listed as active though! Anyone else have this issue?
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
23 Jan 17 UTC
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US Election and Aftermath
I did this with my Asia Pacific thread. Let's see if a reasonable discussion on the possible outcome of this election could be. (Articles and counterpoints are more than welcome)
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captainmeme (1632 DMod)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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diplomacy.avi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAl7G4xLI
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brainbomb (295 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Why God probably isnt real
I decided to open my imagination
I prayed about something recently. I asked God to give me signs. God gave me all the wrong signs. Therefore I submit this as Exhibit A, God is eother an asshole or doesnt exist. Discuss
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Lethologica (203 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
"the 'flood' narrative is found in many cultures and beliefs"

Yeah, it's almost like floods are the most common natural disaster, and many cultures have their roots in floodplains and deltas and river valleys, and no one in the Stone Age actually had the scope of observation to realize that their flood didn't cover the whole world.

But nah, God did it. He also screwed with the sedimentary deposits to make it look like no global flood happened. I assume you are a proud exponent of the Omphalos hypothesis?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
20 Jan 17 UTC
my point is not about a global flood the point is about a deity that allows people to do things and allow the consequences to teach
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
I feel like this is an argument Descartes would LOVE to have
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
or at least the path it has gone down
wait brad you believe in a global flood?
oh it seems I miseread
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
20 Jan 17 UTC
i believe in the moral lesson of trust in a higher power
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
20 Jan 17 UTC
leathal to logic, you twist ideas to suit your own demented world view, shame!
Devonian (860 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@ jamie99uk, Regarding your statement: "I cannot conceive of god"

Ironically, I cannot conceive of you...not you literally... but anyone who claims they cannot conceive of god.

We are all born with a sense of God in us. This is why every civilization known has (or had) some sort of god in their belief system. Yes, many will deny that sense and claim God doesn't exist. But we all have it nevertheless.

But that begs the question: "If we are all born with a sense of God in us, why would anyone deny his existence?" Well... because if God exists, then we will be accountable to him for our actions. And we all know that we could not hold up to the scrutiny of a perfect being. And so, rather than admitting our failings, we deny God exists.
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@Devonian

"Ironically, I cannot conceive of you...not you literally... but anyone who claims they cannot conceive of god. "

1. that's not ironic. that is in no way contrary of what'd we'd expect of you.
2. way to INITIALLY state that you're close minded. that's a GREAT debate tactic

"We are all born with a sense of God in us."

No scientific evidence for this.

"This is why every civilization known has (or had) some sort of god in their belief system."

false logic. you're stating that the ONLY reason why ALL civilizations would believe in a spiritual deity of some sort is because a deity MUST exist. There is no formal proof for this, and a simple counter example would be that modern humans may have not developed together, but the initial customs passed down branched off into many different civilizations, so it would take MANY fewer initial social presuppositions. Humans are rational creatures, but when faced with the magnitude of existence and the earth all at once, without accumulated evidence to refute most assertions, things such as clouds and lightning and the sun and moon are all attributed to gods.

Does this NECESSITATE a god? no.

"Yes, many will deny that sense and claim God doesn't exist. But we all have it nevertheless."

you just can't prove it.

"But that begs the question: "If we are all born with a sense of God in us, why would anyone deny his existence?" Well... because if God exists, then we will be accountable to him for our actions. And we all know that we could not hold up to the scrutiny of a perfect being. And so, rather than admitting our failings, we deny God exists."

so are people who DO believe god exists just masochists? that'd explain Opus Dei, but most of my snobby friends who keep trying to get me the into their organized religion/cults tend to be PRETTY happy being subservient to some all powerful god figure. if i remember correctly, so were quite a few germans in the 1940s.
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@Devonian

notice that I'm not ENTIRELY disproving god. I'm able to refute any organized religion i see, but the concept or existence of some more powerful visceral being is not inconceivable.

I'm also fine with religious liberties in America
Devonian (860 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@JamesYanik, I am not trying to make a scientific proof for the existence of God. It may or may not be possible. That isn't my point.

What I am saying is that people will deny the existence of God to avoid being accountable to him. And, if God does exist, they will be accountable to him regardless of their belief.
pastoralan (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Devonian, I don't think it's accurate to claim that people only reject God because they're afraid of failing God's judgment. You sound like you're coming from a Reformed background, and one of the things Reformed theology teaches is that Christians aren't any better than anyone else. Most of the atheists I know were either raised as atheists or exposed to Christianity in a way that was morally bankrupt and/or intellectually weak. Telling people that they are atheists because they're afraid of their own moral failures isn't a good way to have a conversation, and it isn't true either.

JamesYanik: reading your posts, I thought, "This must be a kid in his first year or two of college." And...UT 2020. There's a reason "sophmoric" is a word. You are obviously very intelligent but your lack of perspective shows. As a Christian, I can say that Tulsa is pretty much the epicenter of the kind of Christianity I don't want anything to do with, so I have genuine sympathy, but seriously, when you say things like "I'm able to refute any organized religion I see" you're showing mostly that you don't get it.
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@patorian

I'm worse than a sophomore... I'M A FRESHMAN!!!

haha, but I was raised with a mix or Irish and Italian catholicism, and I've done my fair share of reading the bible, and more recently the Qaran. The more and more I look at religion, the less inclined I am to be a part of one. I also said in my earlier post that I'm fine with religious liberties AND I'm not entirely against the concept of god.

I ran cross country in high school and we had muslim, hindu, jewish but predominantly christian kids. My Mormon friend Kyle is literally the most amazing person in every way imaginable (just ask TrPrado he'll confirm that he's practically a god and deserves at least one cult following him). The teachings organized religions give are very valuable for many, though I don't like many of the more arrogant contentions.

Devonian's attitude towards religion is definitely along the lines of pretentious in my book.

plus, when I say "I'm able to refute any organized religion I see" i mean it.

I still have yet to find a convincing deist argument, the fact that it's near-impossible to disprove is the ONLY aspect still stuck with me
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@pastoralan

sorry for misspelling your name, I'm not sure why autocorrect thinks "patorian" is an actual word
Lethologica (203 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
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"leathal to logic, you twist ideas to suit your own demented world view, shame!"

It's not like there's another good reason for you to bring up the wide variety of flood myths out there.

As for demented, I'm not the one promoting a story about a deity upending the chessboard as an illustration of divine parenthood through allowing his creations to experience the natural consequences of their actions. Floods aren't really an "If you don't eat dinner, you'll be hungry until morning" kind of parenting style. Old Testament God wasn't much for waiting on *natural* consequences. He was more of a "bring on the plagues, send in the bears, pillar of salt, fire and brimstone" type.
CptMike (4384 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
In a discussion about the existence of god we should not mix religion and god. It is clear that the God of the religions do not exist and is just a human creation (not the contrary so).

After that, it is clear too that science didn't succeed in giving reasonnable explanations to everything and the hypothesis of "something more" is worth considering.
brainbomb (295 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Also, I fail to see why a coherent God would actively make belief in 1 God even harder by allowing: tower of babel, Abraham to neglect Ishmael...
brainbomb (295 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
God wants to be known. He allegedly wants his word to spread by the time he gets put on abilify in the new testament.
brainbomb (295 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Does the same God that loves all christians, muslims and jews also love hindu's, native americans, and buddhists or is God like, nah, they got it wrong.
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@ CAPTBrad: Describe God to me.
Devonian (860 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@pastoralan, "people only reject God because they're afraid of failing God's judgment"

Those aren't my words. Most significantly was the addition of the word "only". If you inaccurately revise what I say, you can't claim what " I " said was inaccurate.


"Telling people that they are atheists because..."

That wasn't my point either. I am trying to make the point that deep down, inside everyone, there is some suspicion that there must be something out there... some greater power... a prime mover... a creator... or God... something that made all this happen.


"You sound like you're coming from a Reformed background, and one of the things Reformed theology teaches is that Christians aren't any better than anyone else."

This doesn't seem to fit with the discussion. It sounds passive aggressive.
Devonian (860 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@Brainbomb, Those are all good questions, and I don't have the answers.

But if you were willing to pray for signs in the beginning of this post, perhaps you could ask God to reveal himself to you. I can't guarantee he will answer, but if he does, it will be a lot better answer than I could ever give you. If you are earnest and persistent in your prayer, I don't know why he wouldn't answer.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
20 Jan 17 UTC
@"
A "god of your mind" is not a part of reality... it is imagined... it does not exist (as an entity).
This is distinctly different from a God that does exist (as an entity); whether or not someone believes it. "

True, i'm all onboard here. I just happen to be discussing the god of the mind. The power it holds, and the (good or bad) effects we can see.

Like you say it doesn't exist, but we can see its effects. Like the wind, you know it is real because you can see its effects, even if you can't see the wind...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
20 Jan 17 UTC
@"e are all born with a sense of God in us. This is why every civilization known has (or had) some sort of god in their belief system. Yes, many will deny that sense and claim God doesn't exist. But we all have it"

Bullshit. Of the highest order.

I not only think no child has any sense of God, i further question your evidence.

We all have an inbuilt mechanism to identify agents. It is safer to assume a movement in the corner of your eye was a snake (and be wrong) than to assume it was a stick (when it was a snake).

We are the descendants of a long line of human who have survived. We are the ones who place agency behind every part of nature. Be it thunder (lots of cultures have a thunder god) or flooding.

It is wrong, many parts of our planets climate are not caused by any agent. But it was much to our benefit to be built looking for agents. Especially when the biggest killer of humans became other humans....
orathaic (1009 D(B))
20 Jan 17 UTC
As for the claim tha i 'reject god because i'm afraid of failing to...'

If god doesn't exist, then A) i'm not rejecting anything, just an idea. B) i'm not aftaid of judgement, except by the followers of that idea, who may infact kill me.
HafthorS (337 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
You are all wrong. We are living in a simulation.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
20 Jan 17 UTC
Again, 'the god of the mind' - which does exist, even if it is just an idea, just in some people head. Can be powerful and dangerous.

Though only through faith can it cause harm (or good).

I don't have a clue why you think the rest of the crap you've been spouting. Except that they are ideas which make 'the god of the mind' more effective at spreading and influencing people...
pastoralan (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@Devonian: OK, so there's nuance in your post. But you did say that the reason people don't believe in God was that they didn't want to be held accountable for their actions. I still think that's a terrible argument both because it isn't true and it insults people who don't believe in God.
pastoralan (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
@JamesYanik: the arguments for and against religion are complicated and nuanced. People have been gone through lots of arguments and counter-arguments over time. I guarantee you haven't gained complete mastery of all religious discourse. Just because you can refute all the arguments you've heard up to this point in your life doesn't mean you can refute all the arguments there are. And your belief that you already know all the arguments for religion is what shows your inexperience.

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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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"Alternative Facts"
Or, you know, what we used to just called "lies".
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Ezio (1731 D)
16 Jan 17 UTC
aaron rodgers is a god
I told everyone
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
23 Jan 17 UTC
Let's Keep It Real
Conservatives- Resistant to change, confident in the status quo.
Liberals- Supportive of change, dissatisfied with the status quo.
If we stopped attacking each other for a few minutes these traits could be complimentary.
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Condescension (10 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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Conservatives are socially awkward
I think I just figured it out. Conservatives are just fucking socially awkward. That's the only reason you could possibly not figure out that privilege is a thing.
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evanej (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
How are you welcoming in Trump?
It is time!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
NEW WORLD RECORD
after only 4 hours, #alternativefacts is already being overused, just beating out the previous record held by #fakenews.

we fully expect to endure this for the next few days, until it to dies, or develops into something else (such as #bullshitnews)
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brainbomb (295 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
I dont believe in the alphabet or languages
I think God did not actually create the alphabet. People did. People also made the tower of babel. Im agaist taxes being used to teach people the alphabet. God didnt create it, so its not important
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
20 Jan 17 UTC
Does math Exist, or is it really JUST an idea?
I found
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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
19 Dec 16 UTC
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Why I Love The Live Gunboat Games
I have the PC game of Diplomacy and played it to victory pretty much everytime; the few losses from the beginning as i was learning.
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Chumbles (791 D(S))
22 Jan 17 UTC
Only one needed: gunboat, ancmed
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189485
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
19 Jan 17 UTC
F2F Tournament in MA, USA
As above, below
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
21 Jan 17 UTC
Friends Game
I'm looking for three more people to join me and three friends for a game. We'll keep the meta gaming to a minimum. Post here or message me if you're interested.
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King Of Avalon (10 DX)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Hello i am new
How do i play i need help
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oliveskin (100 DX)
20 Jan 17 UTC
Canceling CDs in live games
Thoughts to follow (my phone isn't letting me both type everything and post as well lol)
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Halls of Mandos (1019 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
Another clarifying thread...
A unit can cut support if it itself is only tapped as well, but it does NOT cut support if it is dislodged by two completely different units, right?
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indigo93 (100 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
Issue with Denmark Capture
Game id 189248

I am Germany and had has a unit in Denmark at multiple points this game, yet the map color has not changed and I gave not
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