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pRick Grimes (0 DX)
15 Nov 16 UTC
Join quick!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=185532
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MichiganMan (5121 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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Every F$&@ing Game Ruined!!!!
Every f$@&ing game ruined by NMR/CD's ... and then the D Bags who get the advantage won't cancel the game! Pathetic guys! You know who you are, and you're freakin' pathetic point grubbing thieves! You can't play win a straight up fight, so you resort to playing when you've got an unfair advantage.

Can we PLEASE create an "auto-cancle" feature so this stops happening?
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pRick Grimes (0 DX)
15 Nov 16 UTC
Join Game Now!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=185532

Rip Glenn & Abraham
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DemonRHK (100 D(B))
17 Oct 16 UTC
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MAFIA XXIV: Webdiplomacy's Tom Clancy's The Division
See inside for details
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leon1122 (190 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
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What is...
your least favorite part of the Constitution?
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brainbomb (295 D)
14 Nov 16 UTC
Magic the gathering encourages children to practice Necromancy
Studies have shown that children who play Black decks tend to perform human sacrifice on animals. One child saw the art on the card goblin ski patrol and he began killing squirrels.
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yassem (2533 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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So I found this image...
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/zv582606a2.jpg
...and was wandering whether it was just the most retarded argument in favour of the most retarded para-democratic voting system in the world.
Thoughts?
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Octavious (2732 D)
14 Nov 16 UTC
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Supermoon Kills Science
So tonight there is going to be a "supermoon", which to those of you who don't know is what we in astrophysicist circles refer to as a "moon". It will not look any different to any other full moon you may have seen...
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Beaumont (569 D)
14 Nov 16 UTC
Non Live Game Players Needed
Looking for 2 players. Low bet high quality game.
gameID=185324
pw: backstab
please let me know when have joined.
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Fluminator (1500 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Extra Terrestial Influence
So I think most of the world is in agreement that the universe is so big that life almost definitely exists on other planets. That question is kind of boring though. The real question is, have aliens had contact with earth in the present or past.
The results are in, and the evidence points to a resounding yes!

discuss
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
14 Nov 16 UTC
Tell us again how climate change is a myth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37949877
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MonsieurJavert (214 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
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Cheating
Why is there such an epidemic of cheating? I've had several games be paused and irreparably damaged by cheating investigations. Can anyone explain why people are so invested in winning that they won't abide by the rules?
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Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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Trump's Victory was not because of White voters.
Despite what message the media may be sharing with you about how Trump only won because the white vote watch this video and see if it changes your mind or perception at all.

https://youtu.be/yhUXSX3ZnpE
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Nov 16 UTC
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80% of black males voted for Clinton? Haven't watched the video yet, but when every other demographic voted for Clinton, and only 52% of white women voted for Trump; the only demographic which voted overwhelmingly for Trump was White males....

I can't wait to see a video arguing that someone other than the voters who vote for Trump are responcible...
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Well I strongly encourage you to watch the video before making that assumption.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Nov 16 UTC
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I watched the video.

Trump won because of white voters.
Yoyoyozo (95 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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Just watched the video. He won because he didn't get slaughered by the minority vote *that much*. It was still the white voters that carried him over.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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If he hadn't have gained the minority votes that he had then he would've lost just as Mitt Romney had. Choosing to ignore facts is childish Bo. Trump only had a 1% increase in the white vote. Trump owes his victory to the minority votes that he consistently did better in than his last republican counterpart.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
@Yoyoyozo and what's different in saying Obama wasn't carried by the minority vote? Trump won because he won over more minorities, not because the white vote magically made him win despite it being almost the exact amount of white voters carried over from Romney (a Republican candidate who lost), but because minorities didn't buy into the fear rhetoric and claims by DNC and Media that he was a racist.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Minority votes not turning out at levels they did under Obamacare means white voters could carry Trump.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Autocorrect :)
Obama the president, not the legislation.
Yoyoyozo (95 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Let's say you're in an eating contest. You have to eat 130 million hot dogs and drink 100 million gallons of water.

If you are able to eat the hotdogs in 7 seconds flat, but struggle to swallow the water within a week's time, but it's enough to barely beat your opponent, you did not win because of you your water drinking skills.

You probably won because you've improved your skills slightly, but it was ultimately your unrivaled skill of eating hot dogs that was your "firewall" for victory, if that makes sense.
Yoyoyozo (95 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Obama was carried by the minority vote...

look at the 2012 demographics.

He only got 39% of the white vote, but he absolutely killed Romney everywhere else. The guy really know how to scarf down that water.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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@TrPrado because the Minority voters obviously didn't believe in the message Hillary was sending and were too torn on Trump. If they didn't like Trump enough they would've gone to vote against him. Had they loved Hillary's platform they would've gone out and voted. Voter turnout still doesn't change the fact that Trump won because of the minority vote.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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@Yo yes I know he was carried by the minority vote I mistyped. But that fact proves my point even further that Trump was absolutely only able to win because the minority vote went to his favor.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
The minority vote largely voted against Trump. Lower numbers meant white voters a candidate the way they couldn't in the past couple elections.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
Do you mean the LACK of minority vote?
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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@TrPrado He still did better than Romney in every aspect of the minority vote. Had Hillary won those votes she probably would've won the election. As I've also stated low minority turnout was because they didn't believe in Hillary as a candidate which as everyone know is essentially a vote for Trump.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
He did better with the minority vote than Romney, but still lost by double digits with every demographic except white voters.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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Does that change the fact that Hillary would've won had she gotten those votes? No. Trump did better with minorities than his other Republican counterpart and it won him the election. I don't know what's so hard for you accept about this obvious fact.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Nov 16 UTC
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Exactly what Bo said. But you can see from other data given in the video that it was uneducated white voters, and poor people.

Now i have to guess, because we don't have the data, but my assumption is that poor white people voted for trump and poor people of colour didn't. But it has already been said, all the poor people feel left out by the economic failure of the end of Bush, and Obama didn't give them the recovery and hope they voted him in for.

Sander's campaign was tapping into the very same sense of dissatisfaction, and he probably would have beaten Trump. And all of those polling numbers fail to address two pretty important things.

1st) how did voter turnout differ between the two elections. Did fewer people of colour turnout to vote? Was that a signifigant change (ie not having more actual votes from PoC while thise votes that did go to Trump made a larger %)?

We don't know. At all.

And 2nd) Electoral college. It doesn't matter what you voted for in Blue or Red states, the popular vote was won by Clinton, remember (or at least ~48% of it)? And it was the electoral college that elected Trump; so you actually want to look at the states which flipped from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. An only those states. Then try to take into account the voter turnout there. Then see where the swings were...

This video does none of the necessary analysis. White males remain the only group which overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

And as has already been states. They were and are annoyed that 'free market' neo-liberal/conservative policies have left them to be fucked by co petition from workers in China/India.

Trump campaigned against those policies (though i've yet to see him mention a wall) Against the idea of free and fair competition across the globe, and in favour of the idea that 'our' people are the best.

Against equality (for women, people of colour, and QUILT BAG) and that is why people think he is a rascist, misogynistic, homophobe.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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That doesn't change the fact that Trump would have lost if he had preformed like Romney in 2012 and lacked the minority vote he achieved this election. Had he under performed in those demographics he was likely to have lost the swing states that gave him the majority. If you want to debate the electoral college I suggest you to see my other post, but it's clear that the electoral college protects groups of people typically underrepresented in national affairs and typically have their voices and concerns ignored.

Trump's bussiness has more women executives than men, Trump has advocated to fix the poverty of the inner cities which stricken the minorities of america, and has said that he "will do everything in his power to protect our LGBTQ community from the violence" and discrimination they have been forced to suffer through. Trump believes Trans people should use the bathroom of their choice. By claiming he's all these things further proves how brainwashed you are by the Clinton Machine and bias media, and has caused me to lose respect for you opinions and conclusions as they seem to be lacking any further research into policy Trump actually supports.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Nov 16 UTC
Ok, you have no 'typcial' to compare who is under-represented, because the only national vote is based on the electoral college... So you're talking theoretically.

Second you have no data to back up your claims, and the demographics aren't broken down by state.

Third i'm pretty sure i addressed your electoral college thread, but it is entirely irrelevant here. The votes are based on electoral college, and that is not what the data in your video represents. (I'm not debating wherher the electiral college was a good thing or not, i'm stating that it is what you should be looking at)

Unless you are saying the popular vote is close enough for all intents and purposes... In whoch case...

You can claim all you want about what Trump stands for, but today is the day he decided to U-turn on repealing Obamacare. Apparently a big part of his campaign promise. I've no idea what he actually stands for. And neither do you.

Clinton was a horrible war hawk, a threat to peace in the world and i'm glad she was not elected. But i've seen too many posts on facebook citing increases in homophobic, misogynistic and rascist attacks in the past few days. A group of people embdened by Trump's victory - regardless of how Trump prsents himself, there are people wearing MAGA hats and grabbing women by the pussy.

I'm totally taken by my social media filter bubble, not Hillary Clinton's mass media machine, thank you very much!
ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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To lend anything credible to facebook, is a tragedy in and of itself....there is so much misinformation on that platform that there is as petition to only allow fact checked articles going forward
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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The problem is, if there is a racist/sexist element, it would never change.

However, there DEFINITELY is an increase in minority vote for Trump.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Nov 16 UTC
@Ssorren, the things my friends are sharing on facebook are mostly just links to other news sources (like this one: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-nine-times-betrayed-voters-us-election-2016-mexico-clinton-muslims-a7413341.html?cmpid=facebook-post )

The only difference is that the filter bubble of my liberal friends means very little else gets through (i can cone to webdip to get that stuff:)
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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There's already been many police reports citing these attacks as faked, and arresting liberal teens who've been spray painting Swasitkas with MAGA or Trump. These claims of hate crimes have been proven fake (while some may be true) and aren't to be taken seriously by anybody with any shred of credibility.
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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I half suspected the swastikas were from upset liberals trying to make a statement. However I have heard quite a bit in the way of racial abuse by Trump supporters, for which people are being punished. Like:
http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/11/black-students-respond-to-racist-group-message
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
12 Nov 16 UTC
Cool, Pompeii. source?
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
12 Nov 16 UTC
or are these "many police reports" much like Trump's "many smart people are saying"?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Nov 16 UTC
@Pompeii, surely anyone with a shred of decency would decry these crimes for what they are. This is exactly what people were worried about; that Trump would come to lead, his dangerous followers would attack them (verbally and physically) and then his less dangerous supporters would deny it was happening (ie what you are doing)

Some claims are of 4 year olds going home crying after someone was mean to them in class. And it escalates from there...
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
I'm not denying that some of these acts will happen, it's always been a problem in such a racially diverse country as the United States, but it's not going to be a race war as some are claiming it to be. University Police in a few colleges have admitted they've gotten false reports. Some muslims have come forward admitting they've lied. Some crimes are actually happening. As they always have, and as always we will do everything as a country to stop these attacks. Blaming it on Trump is just using a scapegoat. Racism has always been present, and blaming it on Trump is not going to solve anything when he has actually advocated for ending the violent clashes between races. Whites are being targeted too in places like Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore, and other places for voting Trump. It's not unique to white Trump supporters as you all want it to be. It's a national issue from both sides, and we need to unite to stop these extremist on both sides.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
@Valias Source: Being on my city's police force for the past 13.5 years and receiving these claims, checking university security cameras, and finding that these reports had been fraudulent.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Nov 16 UTC
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The guy who said that Trump has a divine right to rule over the world was a cop for 13 years? I can't even act surprised.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
@Bo C'mon man don't you have a sense of humor? No man has an actual divine right to rule.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Nov 16 UTC
It is not blaming Trump, it is a clear statement that the man used rascist propaganda in his campaign, and his victory makes all the rascist feel like they have the backing of a majority - this makes them more likely to think they can get away with committing rascist crimes.

Same with misogynistic propoganda.
Same with homophobic, transphobic, and any other kind of rhetoric he may have used...

I'm not blaming Trump, i'm saying it is an inevitable consequence of his campaign's rhetoric combined with his victory.
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
http://imgur.com/7obbIa0
Pompeii (653 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
We can admit there's fools and extremist on both sides. The plain truth is Trump isn't what he's made out to be. How some of his rhetoric can be taken by certain people? Yes it can be dangerous, but they're just as ignorant as someone who believes Trump is Hitler reincarnate. I respect your opinion and discussion like this makes people think. It makes us question ourselves and really see why we back whoever we back or believe whatever we believe. I just hope this all subsides soon and we can get back to business as usual.
Ogion (3817 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
Trump "won" because of an archaic device intended to protect slaveowners whose only defense is "but it gets the right result most of the time. However, Clinton won
Ogion (3817 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
And it wasn't poor people. Clinton won those. No it was uneducated middle income whites.
principians (881 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
If we're to fall on the "Despite what message the media may be sharing with you" category, why not to read this first

http://shareblue.com/news-media-rush-to-whitewash-their-role-in-savaging-hillary-clintons-character/
orathaic (1009 D(B))
14 Nov 16 UTC
@"And it wasn't poor people. Clinton won those. No it was uneducated middle income whites."

We don't have a breakdown in detail. But Clinton did win among those earning less than $50,000 (which i'm not sure is it is a fine enough division... but anyway)

If you were to break that group down into white and black voters (and other minorities) then i'm sure you'd see something different come out.

It isn't clear if the white low income demographic voted for Trump and the black low income demographic overwhelmingly voted for Clinton, in numbers just high enough to pull the total in favour of Clinton.

While in the middle income demographic, it is possible that there isn't such a large group of black voters.

But this is mere supposition on my part.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
14 Nov 16 UTC
In fact, it is possible that white middle income voters were more likely to vote for Clinton than Trump when compared with white low income voters.

But i don't have data to demonstrate whether this is true or false.
Lethologica (203 D)
14 Nov 16 UTC
The assertion about Clinton winning lower-income demographics must be strongly qualified; lower-income demographics swung massively to the right compared with 2012. Just because they didn't swing a majority for Trump doesn't mean Clinton won them unreservedly. Ctrl-F 'Income' at the link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/exit-polls/

I don't know the income breakdown for white voters specifically, though.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
14 Nov 16 UTC
Do we know what the income brackets are made up of in terms of racial breakdown?
Cause we already know what the racial breakdown of the vote was... and i think you can put those three pieces of information together and get something...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
14 Nov 16 UTC
But wow, that webpage does give interesting data.

When you look at white men, no college degree means they were more likely to vote Trump.

When you look at non-white men, having a college degree means they were more likely to vote Trump.

(of course on any other demographic, being white makes you more likely to vote for Trump)


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David Ridley (257 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
Rulebookpress
Could some body explain what exactly games played under rule book press means in practice, please.
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Hazael (7 DX)
13 Nov 16 UTC
What is RR?
Just wondering what RR is? And how does one achieve it? I want to join the live game but it won't let me because I need 30% RR? Also, it won't let me join other games in the new games section because I don't have a certain percentage?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
12 Nov 16 UTC
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Maniac 2020
Recent appointments to high office have created controversy among progressive, intelligent people. I'm talking about two things, of course. First of all, the election of Donald Trumpf as Leader Of The Free World (TM). Secondly, and no less controversially, the selection of a new Moderator who was not Maniac.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
13 Nov 16 UTC
The Jack Vasel Memorial Fund Auction - 2016
https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/215192/jack-vasel-memorial-fund-auction-2016

Last two days!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
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At Least Trump got SNL to Shut Up
If anything good can be taken out of this one...
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brainbomb (295 D)
08 Nov 16 UTC
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Hillary Clinton Victory Party
POTUS baby. CHECK TO THA MATE YO
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Yoyoyozo (95 D)
13 Nov 16 UTC
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LeonWalras' Thread
Take it away, Walras!
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Question
If I make a thread about politics will a lot of people discuss it ?
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TrPrado (461 D)
10 Nov 16 UTC
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A Divide
I've seen horrible reactions these past 24 hours. Some celebrate that they have a champion, thinking he will bring this country to its greatest times. Others panic, fearing the same man will erode their rights and encourage persecution which will endanger their lives. Those whose views don't fall into that binary shirk away, fearing their voice is no longer welcome. This thread is about the lofty goal of uniting a further dividing nation.
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
11 Nov 16 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
See Inside
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wildwolf (1214 D)
10 Nov 16 UTC
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Remembrance Day November 11 - LEST WE FORGET
Remember to take 2 minutes of silence at 11 am in honour of those who have fought the wars that we like to play from the safety of our computers

http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/exhibitions/remember/flandersfields_e.shtml
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Octavious (2732 D)
11 Nov 16 UTC
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American Pie
https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

Says it all :)
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Nov 16 UTC
Refugees and Asylum seekers
So i had a thought, under international law, those seeking asylum are entitled to protection if they have reason to fear for their life. Thus pretty much anyone fleeing the Syrian war should probably automatically be granted asylum.

What about LGBT folk from the US, fearing political repression and violence in the streets. Should we (europeans) open our borders?
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
10 Nov 16 UTC
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The reputation of the USA in the world (cont)
I am sad to remind you, but do you remember my posting Oct 4?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
11 Nov 16 UTC
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I had a fairly ordinary day at work
Maybe I should post a thread about this.
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Merirosvo (302 D)
11 Nov 16 UTC
CGP Grey's Followup Video on the Electoral College
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLQz-LgrM
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JEccles (421 D)
11 Nov 16 UTC
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Mods Check E-mail Please
Could you please check e-mail soon? A slightly urgent request. Thanks.
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