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MKECharlie (1926 D (G))
14 Jun 16 UTC
Fencing: What is your favorite weapon, and why?
Also, if you're American, did you vote in the recent USFA election? Do you think it'll have any affect on the tournament selection process in the New Jersey division?
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JEccles (425 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
New Classic Game
Just started this up. 50 point buy in, anon, 1 day phases.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=180213
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c0dyz (100 D)
14 Jun 16 UTC
Farewell
Farewell kind folk. Summer approaches and my school friends and I will depart from the merry making until next year.
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principians (881 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
There are muslim creationists too
An I found very funny that they deny the big bang too https://www.scienceislam.com/pdf/Big_Bang.pdf
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
Sanders voters disenfranchied in California
Anyone in the US know how accurate this report is?

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/
bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
11 Jun 16 UTC
I don't know how accurate his characterization of the ballots in California is, but yes, there are still many uncounted California votes and there has been speculation on both sides that a lot of votes are "lost" somehow. I don't know why this is a big story, though. It's been going on throughout this entire primary cycle and it seems like people only start complaining once it happens to them rather than getting up in arms about it earlier in the primary. From purging voters to canceling exit polling to malfunctioning voter machines, much of the Democratic primary has been a wreck and reeks of election fraud regardless of who wins and who loses.
leon1122 (175 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
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I still remember when the wise webDippers were telling us how Sanders was sure to win when he was 200 pledged delegates behind and how he was entering "friendly territory".
Tolstoy (2033 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
I've lived and voted in California all my life, and dabbled in politics from time to time. None of this surprises me. The paper-shufflers in the Registrar of Voters' offices who control the elections are Democratic Party loyalists to a (wo)man. They openly bash Republicans, "lose" paperwork to keep candidates opposing the Democratic Party machine off the ballot, and there are inevitably all sorts of "glitches" with the computers on election nights that, once fixed, "corrects" the results so the appropriate candidate wins. Polling place chicanery like this is nothing new. In the 2008 primary for instance, poll workers were I lived were telling voters that Ron Paul had dropped out (he hadn't) and they couldn't vote for him, even though he was on the ballot. It's no wonder the Democratic Party has such a stranglehold on the state.
bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
11 Jun 16 UTC
It's more of a problem that the AP called the race the night before the largest amount of delegates were to be distributed in a single day and that the rest of the mass media followed suit and broadcasted their report. What happened to journalistic integrity? What happened to letting the voters vote? The media controls elections. The parties can only fuck with things so much. It's no surprise that, despite supposedly record breaking registration numbers in California, there were 28% fewer votes cast at the polls than there were in 2008.
I don't ever recall hearing "sure to win." More like "still has a chance to win," at least in the discussions I followed.
Gobbledydook (1389 D (B))
12 Jun 16 UTC
Sanders was toast regardless, don't fool yourself into thinking that if there were less irregularities that he would have won.
Until OP started this thread, I had never heard of Greg Palast. It looks like he has received acclaim for investigative journalism on some prior matters, including election fraud in Florida.

As to whether the subject matter of the linked report is accurate, it is difficult to say. Almost all of the readily available information on the internet links back to Palast's report (as opposed to independently verifiable data), or duplicate postings on other websites -- with or without accreditation to Palast. In particular, many sites quote identical language from a report by Baxter Dmitry. http://yournewswire.com/california-primary-results-in-voter-suppression-election-fraud/ One of these two, Palast or Dmitry, is plagiarizing the other. I'll give Palast the benefit of the doubt that he is the original.

For being a flashy "look at me, I'm Sam Spade" investigative journalist, Palast does shoddy work in this expose. There is little accreditation for his sources. For example, Palast says "Poll worker Jeff Lewis filed a description of the training in an official declaration to a federal court" -- what case? what court? I was able to find only one federal lawsuit related to 2016 California election fraud: Voting Rights Defense Project, et al. v. Depuis, et al., filed in USDC for the Northern District of California on 5/20/16 (almost three weeks before the California primary). The case sought an extension of voter registration, and was rejected by Hon. William Alsup a week before the primary. There does not appear to be any declaration from a Jeff Lewis in that case.

Regardless, the quoted text of Lewis' declaration does not necessarily match Palast's interpretation or the general theme of Palast's report. If someone asks where the presidential candidates are on an NPP ballot, the purported instructed response is that NPP ballots do not have presidential candidates on them. This is true. That is not the same thing as saying "NPP voters can't get Democratic ballots" when an NPP voter asks "how do I get to vote in the Democratic party primary?"

Palast accurately quotes the California Election Officer Training Manual at page 49: "A No Party Preference voter will need to request a crossover ballot from the Roster Index Officer. (Do not offer them a crossover ballot if they do not ask)." That is not the same as Palast's interpretation: "They are ordered not to breathe a word that the voter can get a “crossover” ballot that includes the presidential race."

Compare the California Secretary of State's website (http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/). It states: "How to request a party ballot? The NPP voter may ask their county elections office or poll worker, at their polling place, for a ballot for one of the above three parties. An NPP voter may not request more than one party's ballot."

To me, it seems pretty straightforward. If you're registered NPP, you are allowed to vote in the Democratic primary (but not the Republican, because the GOP does not authorize that). The default is that you are given an NPP ballot. The NPP ballot does not have presidential candidates on it. If a voter asks where the presidential candidates are, the election worker's response is that an NPP ballot does not contain presidential candidates. If a voter asks for a Democratic ballot, he or she is given (a "crossover") one. If a voter does not ask for a Democratic ballot, election workers are not supposed to give one or suggest there is an alternate option.

That does not sound fraudulent or nefarious to me. If Palast is onto something, he should do a better job articulating it and citing support.
eturnage (601 D (B))
12 Jun 16 UTC
The issue is the First Amendment Right of Association. The Democratic Party is a private organization. Why should it be forced to let independent voters help it to pick a standard bearer for the general election? There are Supreme Court cases on this subject.
I don't think that's the issue. Nobody is saying that the a Democratic Party should be forced to let non-Democrats vote in its primary. The DP already voluntarily agreed to do so. The issue is whether voters who wanted to vote in the Democratic primary and were allowed to do so by the DP were improperly precluded from doing so.

I do think it's odd that you don't need to be a Democrat to vote in the primary. It would make things a lot simpler if all parties had closed primaries and part of the cost of registering NPP was exclusion from all party primaries.
bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
12 Jun 16 UTC
Excluding upwards of 40% of the country's voters in the name of simplicity is not the best way to put forward the best candidate to win the general election.
eturnage (601 D (B))
12 Jun 16 UTC
Winning the general election is an argument for selecting a moderate. However, if you're a true believer in the DP principles you believe a strong principled standard bearer who will advocate for the party ideals will win.
bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
12 Jun 16 UTC
Or you can accept that you can't win if independent voters aren't at least somewhat behind your principles, therefore keeping your platform and ideals fluid depending on the mood of your populace.
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
"The NPP ballot does not have presidential candidates on it."

Can someone explain this to me? What candidates ARE on the NPP ballot? Is it just a blank piece of paper?
leon1122 (175 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
Senators, judges, etc.
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
They have primaries for judges?
leon1122 (175 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
http://www.voteforjudges.org/
Tolstoy (2033 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
"What candidates ARE on the NPP ballot?"

Here in California, the voters in their infinite wisdom decided to institute the Jungle Primary system, where all candidates for all offices appear on everyone's ballot (except for President, which remained semi-closed). The only difference between a NPP ballot and any other ballot is which candidates appear for President.

The jungle primary, combined with the state's gerrymandered districts and the complete disorganization of the Republican Party, produces a lot of contests in the general election between two candidates of the same party (usually two Democrats).
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
What a weird system you colonials have.


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rm63 (100 D)
06 Jun 16 UTC
New World War I team game - played as 2 teams. Starting soon!
I've been wanting to do this for a long time. I'm not sure if it's been done before. Apologies if it's already been done. I've created a game called "WWI team game" and the idea is that we will recreate world war one by playing the game as 2 teams; the triple alliance consisting of Austria, Germany and turkey and the triple entente consisting of England, France and Russia.
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brainbomb (474 D)
12 Jun 16 UTC
College World Series
Starts June 18th. Definetely as far as atmosphere it is among the finest sports events in the country every year. And its right here in Omaha.
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ssorenn (3242 D (G))
09 Jun 16 UTC
3 game gunboat tourney
post here or PM me if interested
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SLOTerp (100 D)
11 Jun 16 UTC
NWO: Mushroom clouds forecasted in coming year.
The NWO game at Redscape is about to get a bit radioactive. If you haven't seen or played this massive variant, take a look. The GM and a few players put out some high quality press as well.
http://www.redscape.com/viewforum.php?f=141
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Musoeun (133 D)
10 Jun 16 UTC
(Poll) How Many Draws Equal a Solo
I'm working on a project (may submit it to a zine, may just be for my own amusement) and I'm trying to find out what various Diplomacy communities view as the relationship in accomplishment between draws and solo victories.
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Hamilton Brian (792 D (B))
09 Jun 16 UTC
Revisiting the Key Lepanto that works
I want to see a game where it actually worked.
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brainbomb (474 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
Stanford Rapist
Ok can someone who understands law explain to me how this guy got off so easy?
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VirtualBob (242 D)
09 Jun 16 UTC
Ghost Forecast?
Just wondering.
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bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
10 Jun 16 UTC
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Pet Peeves
It's pouring, the parking lot is flooding, and they just turned on the sprinklers for irrigation.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
08 Jun 16 UTC
Looking through some old games...
and I noticed that there was some feature called "All survivors win" from a game in 2010, why doesn't that exist anymore, why are there no units, and what are the rules?
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
09 Jun 16 UTC
quality game
gameID=179917

PM for PW
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Gen. Lee (7688 D (B))
27 May 16 UTC
Gen. Lee to host 2016 Confederate Grand Ball
Invitation inside.
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Bob the Lord (292 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
I know I did this before...
and that this is a forum on a webdiplomacy site that is meant for people to talk about random non-diplomacy based things, but what's everyone's favourite country?
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bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
08 Jun 16 UTC
Mel Carnahan 2016
They did it once, we can do it again!

#StillWithMel #RatherVoteForTheDeadGuy
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peterlund (1310 D (G))
05 Jun 16 UTC
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Likes and Liked question
On my profile it says "Likes: 1 / Liked: 29" but I do not know what that means. I did not find anything about it in the help/FAQ pages either. How does it work? How do I like another account?
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Bertson95 (119 D)
03 Jun 16 UTC
Any suggests for a new player?
I've plaied something like 10 games and i'm not sure my way of playing is good.

Any suggests for improving?
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
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Daily Bible Verses
Look, buddy - this is the word of the Lord.

http://the-toast.net/2016/06/06/bible-verses-where-behold-has-been-replaced-with-look-buddy/
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
07 Jun 16 UTC
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Remember that story about the Ukranian pilot that downed MH-17?
Refresher
https://www.rt.com/news/217295-mh17-ukraine-military-plane/
https://www.rt.com/news/216871-ukraine-military-mh17-report/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/25/mh17-russia-claims-to-have-airfield-witness-who-blames-ukrainian-pilot
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peterlund (1310 D (G))
04 Jun 16 UTC
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Gordon Brown "Lead not leave"
An excellent and important statement for civilisation:
https://youtu.be/gPX9MLALjAE
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Al Swearengen (0 D X)
30 May 16 UTC
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The Truth about Matthew Shepard
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
11 Mar 16 UTC
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The 2016 Local Tournament - Round 2
The full ruleset is available here: https://tinyurl.com/webDip2016local-rules
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Smokey Gem (189 D)
03 Jun 16 UTC
Dumb Questions
How do you get the game ID number ??
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Tolstoy (2033 D)
04 Jun 16 UTC
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The Death of a Real Legend
Muhammad Ali, Greatest Heavyweight Boxer Ever, Civil Rights Activist, Draft Resistor, and America's Most Famous Muslim, dead at 74.
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05 Jun 16 UTC
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