teacon check out the one I did from John C Fremont days in Fremont Nebraska.

https://heathgator.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/11742698_731477312859_7164852896459974818_n.jpg

made that in 3 hours! was 98 degrees outside, brutall

@Vash: Nothing duplicitous is going on at all, I had no idea that you were on a debate team or that Krellin is an engineer, so you're the one making unnecessary presumptions.

My question was fair. Because the only reason you provided was that "he's mentioned it many times".

If you have other reasons, like you attended his lecture or that you're Facebook friends, that's fine -- but as you didn't provide any of that reasoning, it's completely reasonable that I ask you about your statement. No reason to be defensive.

http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/heath-draney.html

this is an older one from when I was 26:
http://www.artslant.com/global/artists/show/76087-heath-draney

Also I just posted in the facebook webdip group to verify I am real. Anyone else wanna accuse me of being fake? Am I also a catfish now. You silly nutters, ;).

https://www.facebook.com/groups/305027386209734/

You surprise me, Heath. It appears that Podunk Metro College has quite low standards in its academic staff, but I must concede that you have persuaded me that you may indeed be some kind of part-time drawing lecturer while you are not serving in your restaurant.

I stand corrected and I offer my apology.

Perhaps you should spend more time on your art and less time spamming this forum. Let me be fair and get your thread back on course:


I'm interested. Why do you think that the Romans invented the dome? It's clear that isnt' the case.

Summer is brutal, and that's a HUGE canvas. Well done.

I like the feel of the mormon piece: http://fineartamerica.com/featured/the-persistance-of-mormans-heath-draney.html Especially the shadow-only guy looking at them from behind the shades. Dunno what the artistic term is for the feeling there, but it seemed to make sense with the painting.

World of Art, Sayre 7th Edition

"Romans were also the first to perfect the dome, which takes the shape of a hemisphere, sometimes defined as a continuous arch rotated 360 degrees on its axis."

I concede the point. I misread that. I will also correct that in my lecture notes and tell my class. I have no desire to spread false information, keep in mind I in no way claim to be a historian. I'm simply just a Visual Artist.

@Jamie, that's a very clear post. I think it may also be a generational thing, like if someone described themselves as the President many times, and that person's followers vouched that they were indeed the President, and non-followers were increasingly confused and confounded that this person was the President; until the revelation that they were in fact the President of Pizza Delivery Workers Union for all pizza outlets in Clapham.

@Teacon "Description: With help from Google street view I created a vision of what we deal with every time Mormons show up. We hide, and peer out the windows as they leave"

@bb: yeah, but what I liked was that the person *hiding* was the unrecognizable one, while the *mormons* were the ones who were well lit and more detailed. As an observer of both, I got the sense that I know more about the mormons than I do about the person hiding from them... an odd reversal of the comfort zone most people feel in that situation. While I'm usually the person hiding inside, this piece directed me to have more sympathy with the mormons.

Back to the thread purpose.

1) What makes the Pantheon so unique, is the afformentioned Oculus. Imagine yourself in the Pantheon, by night staring into the celestial heavens. Before we knew of the existence of much of our Solar system or what the stars even really meant. As moonlight subtly falls into the chamber below, imagine the restful eye of Jupiter, king of the gods subtly lighting the walls ever so faintly.
Roman Archictectural advancements dominated the western word for the next 2000 years, featuring roads only eclipsed by the incan road building techniques, aqueducts, rounded arches, groin vualts, barrel vualts and as previously mentioned "perfecting of the dome".
You can conclude whatever you like, but the innovation aspects was what I tended to harp on most in the lecture. I only vaguely mentioned the Eye of Jupiter.

I'm asking the webdip community specifically now however, do you feel the Planet Jupiter is in any way symbolic of the might of the Roman God Jupiter. Hence that there are any connections or implicit value to comparing the two in regards to anything other than name.

What do you make of the commonality of the Oculus, and the Storm.

Where is the Great Red Spot called Jupiter's "oculus"?

@teacon the person in the painting hiding is my mother. she is gripped with fear whenever someone comes to the house and rings the doorbell. perhaps its a paranoia of some kind but we were constantly being bothered by mormons who were well enough intentioned and probably quite nice. I used to answer the door wearing my friends boston college shirt so they would think we were catholic and leave us alone lol

re: Roman gods being symbolic of the properties of actual planets? Sure, why not. The ancients were far more observant than Moderns tend to give them credit for, and they did a lot of really amazing things even without the benefit of today's scientific equipment. That said, this comparison isn't that difficult. A big and fairly beautiful planet which exerts a lot of gravitational pull... is being compared to a god of power and majesty. The comparison seems easy here. I think the analogy would be harder pressed to find comparisons between the properties of Venus and Venus, or Saturn and Saturn.

If you're into this stuff, you might like this book by Michael Ward, in which the author compares the majesty of the planets to the literary themes in CS Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia. http://www.planetnarnia.com/planet-narnia

@bb well now I feel less sympathetic for the mormons. :/ Good plan with the shirt. Great art! Keep it up.

@Leth the storm is commonly referred to as the Oculus also. In as recently as 2015 teams of astronomers noted a white whispy line traveling through the middle of the storm and it became known as the Oculus Rift.

i'll chime in on an earlier question about Jupiter from Teacon7:
Yes, one theory in the search for extra-solar intelligent life is that solar systems who have large outer gas giants serving as "shields" may be more likely to host civilizations. not proven, of course, but it is on the list of criteria to help narrow the search.

Oculus is latin for eye, so anytime you refer to hurricanes, or in this case Jupiters storm, (which has an eye and a center of tilt) you always can refer back to the term Oculus its not meant to be some magical end all buzz word that I am using to confuse webdippers. Anyone can look up the root meaning of the word.

I have seen similiar discussions about the Golden mean being applied to seashalls, snails, spiral galaxies, and the predominant importance of spirals in the universe. Note once again, hurricanes form a spiral, as do whirlpools, hence Robert Smithsons famous Spiral Jetty in Utah. I think the Oculus is a universal center in the golden mean as well.
Some people have tried to combine visual imagery that curvilinear and rectilinear designs all lead back to the master races and illuminati. I dont beleive anything so farfetched as that. However, the presence of a spiralling storm with an Oculus on Jupiter does stand out to be as being more unique than the other planets in our Solar System (apart from Earth). It gives Jupiter an elevated level of drama and action that we just simply dont see that often in the outer planets.

Other occurances of Storms on Planets outside of the Prime Inner Planets.
1)
A telescope on Earth has spotted huge storms brewing on the planet Uranus.

Scientists using the Keck Observatory in Hawaii have recently seen a number of storms develop on the planet. One image, taken on Aug. 5, shows a few bright spots in infrared photos taken of the planet. The bright bits show storms in the planet's atmosphere. A second photo of Uranus, taken on Aug. 6, reveals more bright spots.

One very large storm seen by the telescope has particularly interested researchers analyzing the views of Uranus. The storm reaches into the high altitudes of the planet's atmosphere, according to Keck representatives. [Photos: Biggest Storms in the Solar System]

"We are always anxious to see that first image of the night of any planet or satellite, as we never know what it might have in store for us," Imke de Pater, professor at UC Berkeley and team leader, said in a statement. "This extremely bright feature we saw on UT 6 August 2014 reminds me of a similarly bright storm we saw on Uranus’s southern hemisphere during the years leading up to and at equinox."

The new storm is reminiscent of a feature known as the "Berg," which disappeared in 2009, but could even have dated back to NASA's Voyager probe's flyby of the planet in 1986, according to Keck. The Berg — so named because the storm looked like an iceberg sloughing off an ice shelf — became very bright in 2004 and started to move toward the planet's equator in 2005.

The new storm feature spotted by Keck is brighter than the Berg, according to Keck representatives, and it also looks similar. Scientists think that a vortex deeper in the atmosphere of Uranus might be associated with the bright spot.
Researchers will analyze data to measure exactly where it is located within the planet's atmosphere.

"Even after years of observing, a new picture of Uranus from Keck Observatory can stop me in my tracks and make me say Wow!" Heidi Hammel, a member of the observing team, said in the same statement.

Storms rage all across the solar system. At one point, Jupiter's Great Red Spot was once the size of three Earths, and a massive storm rages in Saturn's north pole.

Amateur astronomers on Earth can also spot Uranus in the night sky this month. The seventh planet from the sun rises in the late evening and can be seen in the constellation Pisces in the Northern Hemisphere.

- See more at: http://www.space.com/26794-uranus-giant-storms-photos.html


Conclusions: These storms are more sporadic, less like a spiral and more celluar in nature. They lack a central oculus or a discernable rotation.

2.) Saturn
http://www.popsci.com/origin-saturns-stunning-superstorms

When a storm springs up on Saturn they are unimpeded and the storm spans the entire circle of the globe before it disperses. Saturn Storms can be sudden but do have a rotation, but lack a strong central Oculus.

3.) Neptune
Neptune has the wildest and strangest weather in the entire Solar System. It has huge storms with extremely high winds. Its atmosphere has dark spots which come and go, and bright cirrus-like clouds which change rapidly. Neptune has an average temperature of -353 Fahrenheit (-214 Celsius).

Neptune is the most distant planet from the Sun, with temperatures that plunge down to 55 Kelvin, or -218 degrees Celsius. You would think that a planet that cold would be frozen and locked down, with very little weather. But you’d be very wrong. In fact, the weather on Neptune is some of the most violent weather in the Solar System.

Just like Jupiter and Saturn, Neptune has bands of storms that circle the planet. While the wind speeds on Jupiter can reach 550 km/hour – twice the speed of powerful hurricanes on Earth, that’s nothing compared to Neptune. Astronomers have clocked winds on Neptune traveling at 2,100 km/hour.

So why can the winds on Neptune reach such huge speeds? Astronomers think that the cold temperatures on Neptune might have something to do with that after all. The cold temperatures might decrease the friction in the system, so that winds can get going fast on Neptune.

During its 1989 flyby, NASA’s Voyager 2 spacecraft discovered the Great Dark Spot on Neptune. Similar to Jupiter’s Great Red Spot, this is an anti-cyclonic storm measuring 13,000 km x 6,600 km across. A few years later, however, the Hubble Space Telescope failed to see the Great Dark Spot, but it did see different storms. This might mean that storms on Neptune don’t last as long as they do on Jupiter or even Saturn.

The more active weather on Neptune might be due, in part, to its higher internal heat. Although Neptune is much more distant than Uranus from the Sun, receiving 40% less sunlight, temperatures on the surface of the two planets are roughly similar. In fact, Neptune radiates 2.61 times as much energy as it receives from the Sun. This is enough heat to help drive the fastest winds in the Solar System.

Conclusions: Neptune and Amphirite had children, you will note that Amphirite is the Sea Goddess depicted in the famous Venus Di Milo. It is plausible that the three major Gas Giant Planets Saturn, Neptune, and Jupiter are all named for famous powerful gods. But Jupiter and Neptune are both very turbulent inhospitable celestial bodies. Neptune is even less friendly to life, with high winds and absurdly sub zero temperatures. Nothing could survive this Godly beasts cold.

4. Venus
http://www.space.com/20371-venus-vortex-storm-changes.html

Elements of a giant cyclone circling above the south pole of Venus constantly break apart and re-form, according to new research. Scientists studying observations of the planet taken over the last six years have concluded that the long-lived storm is constantly evolving, raising even more questions about the unusual weather formation.

A storm on the move

When the European Space Agency's Venus Express satellite arrived at the hot planet in April 2006, it observed a cyclonelike structure above Venus' south pole, four times as large as similar storms on Earth. Over the past six years, the spacecraft has collected daily observations about the storm, which resembles one spotted over Venus' north pole by NASA's Pioneer Venus spacecraft in 1979.


"Both vortices are probably permanent features in the atmosphere of Venus," planetary scientist Itziar Garate-Lopez, of the University of the Basque Country in Spain, told SPACE.com by email.


Using the observations taken by Venus Express, Garate-Lopez and her team concluded that the giant storm is in constant flux. Elements of the vortex are constantly breaking apart and reforming as it circles every 2.2 days. [Amazing Venus Photos by ESA's Venus Express]

"The vortex is never destroyed, but it evolves continuously between morphologies" or shapes, Garate-Lopez said.

The cause for the constant evolution remains a puzzle that the team still hopes to solve.

Using the spacecraft's Visible and Infrared Thermal Imaging Spectrometer (VIRTIS), the scientists probed the upper and lower layers of the planet's atmosphere. They concluded that the two centers of rotation of the 12-mile-high (20 kilometers) storm, which exist at different altitudes, rarely line up, a surprising find.

"Even if the small-scale structures are different at both altitude levels, the overall morphology of the vortex is conserved, so we thought that the vortex should move as one large-scale feature in the same way in both vertical layers," Garate-Lopez said. "However, this is not the case."

The constantly shifting centers create what Garate-Lopez calls a "twisted tube" in the vortex.

Although VIRTIS can observe the upper and lower layers of the atmosphere, the middle section remains hidden, keeping the team from more fully understanding the off-kilter movement.

Venus spins slowly on its axis, taking 243 Earth-days for the sun to rise and set once. But Venus' atmosphere moves significantly faster, circling the planet once every four Earth days.

"The main unsolved question about the atmosphere of Venus is precisely the reason why it super-rotates much faster than the solid planet," Garate-Lopez said.

The relationship between the oddly moving atmosphere and the vortices also remains a mystery.

The cyclone sits 26 miles (42 km) above the surface of the planet. No rain falls from the towering storm, because the planet's atmosphere evaporates all particles within 22 miles (35 km) of the ground. Winds are also inconsequential far beneath the storm.

"If we were at Venus' south pole, we may observe a permanent whirl of clouds high above our heads, with no consequences at the surface," Garate-Lopez said.

- See more at: http://www.space.com/20371-venus-vortex-storm-changes.html#sthash.g6Ur5KLb.dpuf

Interesting observations:

Of the Roman and Greek Gods mentioned, at least 4 of them are turbulent, have storms and central Oculus style rotations.

Venus, Jupiter, Neptune, and Saturn.

The Opposites to this are Mercury, Mars, and Pluto which are essentially devoid of much atmosphere, and are generally inhospitable in other ways.

Connections to the gods beyond that other than by name is far more theoretical and would require a lot of tedius but perhaps interesting research.

Venus (/ˈviːnəs/, Classical Latin: /ˈwɛnʊs/) is the Roman goddess whose functions encompassed love, beauty, sex, fertility, prosperity and desire. In Roman mythology, she was the mother of the Roman people through her son, Aeneas, who survived the fall of Troy and fled to Italy. Julius Caesar claimed her as his ancestor. Venus was central to many religious festivals, and was revered in Roman religion under numerous cult titles.

The Romans adapted the myths and iconography of her Greek counterpart Aphrodite for Roman art and Latin literature. In the later classical tradition of the West, Venus becomes one of the most widely referenced deities of Greco-Roman mythology as the embodiment of love and sexuality.

For example Venus the God as compared to Venus the Planet is like comparing the logic of a webdip forum poster to Socrates. (No offense SD).

You a planet that is actually hotter than Mercury despite being farther away. A planet that is eternally consumed in the greenhouse effect. Venus is so hot that even lead melts on its surface within an estimate 8 minutes or less.

This has none of the positive attributes that the God Venus has for example of love, passion, and fertility as quite obviously the planet itself is none of that.

I keep coming back to the fact that Gods would be Godlike, and thus inhospitable to life on themself. Venus still serves a very important purpose to Earth however, and gives us insight into the dangerous power of our own sun. It also serves as a valuable lesson about the dangerous nature of letting runaway greenhouse effect take over an atmosphere.

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@Octavious I think you are alluding to the ratio's of the Golden Mean then?

The Golden ratio also appears in all forms of nature and science. Some unexpected places include:

Flower petals: The number of petals on some flowers follows the Fibonacci sequence. It is believed that in the Darwinian processes, each petal is placed to allow for the best possible exposure to sunlight and other factors.

Seed heads: The seeds of a flower are often produced at the center and migrate outward to fill the space. For example, sunflowers follow this pattern.

Pinecones: The spiral pattern of the seed pods spiral upward in opposite directions. The number of steps the spirals take tend to match Fibonacci numbers.

Sunflower seeds grow in Fibonacci spirals.

Tree branches: The way tree branches form or split is an example of the Fibonacci sequence. Root systems and algae exhibit this formation pattern.

Shells: Many shells, including snail shells and nautilus shells, are perfect examples of the Golden spiral.

Spiral galaxies: The Milky Way has a number of spiral arms, each of which has a logarithmic spiral of roughly 12 degrees. The shape of the spiral is identical to the Golden spiral, and the Golden rectangle can be drawn over any spiral galaxy.

Hurricanes: Much like shells, hurricanes often display the Golden spiral.

Fingers: The length of our fingers, each section from the tip of the base to the wrist is larger than the preceding one by roughly the ratio of phi.

Animal bodies: The measurement of the human navel to the floor and the top of the head to the navel is the Golden ratio. But we are not the only examples of the Golden ratio in the animal kingdom; dolphins, starfish, sand dollars, sea urchins, ants and honeybees also exhibit the proportion.

DNA molecules: A DNA molecule measures 34 angstroms by 21 angstroms at each full cycle of the double helix spiral. In the Fibonacci series, 34 and 21 are successive numbers.

If godlike = inhospitable, what do we make of Gaia?

The Black lady from Captain Planet?

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/ba0bcec7-6 88-4776-8bb6-963e085a5761/e68d05c9-8024-4635-832b-41aa868dab6e.gif

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Roman pantheon, fine. Terra. Plainly not inhospitable to life, is the point.

(inb4 teen titans / final fantasy)