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Tru Ninja (1016 D (S))
05 Aug 15 UTC
ESPN Fantasy Football Signups
For those that will play only ESPN league, post interest here. List your preferred draft day (I prefer late preseason Saturday or Sunday around 1 p.m. Central Time

1. Tru Ninja (Sat Aug 29th or Sun Aug 30th)
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Thucydides (864 D (B))
04 Aug 15 UTC
GRE scores
What's a good score? Share your score too, if you feel comfortable. I just took the test this morning
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alulahello (0 D X)
12 Aug 15 UTC
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halloween costumes 2015
I know, 3 months early blahblah. But I'm bored and I want to talk about Halloween.
Some people are into crazy Costumes and go all out to make them. Brainstrom ideas for costumes and how to make/obtain them. What are you thinking of going as?
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goldfinger0303 (3150 D Mod)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Opposite Gender Friends leads to Lower Academic Performance
Interesting paper I'm reading right now. Not completely done with it, but its methodology seems sound.

http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/app.20140030
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ssorenn (0 D X)
12 Aug 15 UTC
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this is interesting--watch the video
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/08/10/everyone-fails-to-ride-this-bike-you-would-too-this-is-what-it-tells-us-about-the-brain/
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P13ANATOR (100 D)
12 Aug 15 UTC
Hi I am new, quick question
I am starting a game with some friends, can you play with less than 7 people? If so, is anything different compared to a full game? Thanks :-)
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ND (879 D)
20 Jul 15 UTC
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MX: All Star Game
See inside for details
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ND (879 D)
20 Jul 15 UTC
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Welcome, Imperials of the Galactic Empire! The Empire is in grave jeopardy and not since the end of the Clone Wars and the Jedi Rebellion has our new order been challenged. The remaining Jedi Knights have joined a resistance against our beloved Emperor and threaten to topple our secure and safe society. We must stop the Jedi Knights and Rebels who plan to return our Empire to the chaos of the Old Republic. Can you stop the Jedi from overthrowing the First Galactic Empire? Mafia X: All Stars has commenced!

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INTRODUCTION

Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.

The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game.


RULES

0. The GM reserves the right to adjudicate individual scenarios that arise during the course of the game at his discretion.
1. All players must vote at least once per game day.
2. All players are forbidden from posting screenshots of their role PMs.
3. All players are forbidden from using encryption.
4. All players are forbidden from using non-sanctioned PMing.
5. All players are forbidden from deleting previous posts of theirs.
6. All spectators and players who have been eliminated are forbidden from posting on all comment threads related to the game notes.
7. All players are forbidden from cheating.
8. All players are required to play to win.

ELABORATION

0. Given my lack of omniscience, I cannot create a rule to resolve all possible scenarios pre-emptively. In order to compensate for my inability to do so, I am permitted to resolve a given scenario however I please. I will resolve all scenarios as closely as possible to the written intention of the rules, and will present an explanation regarding the adjudication to the greatest possible detail (which does not compromise anything in-game) and as closely in accordance with the written rules as possible.

1. The minimum post limit has been removed because it should not be necessary in an All Stars game. However, you must still vote at least once per day.

2. This is more a formality than anything: all role PMs have been posted in the setup information later in this post, and all players (regardless of alignment) will receive identical copies of the vanilla town role PM. The point of this rule is to forbid "gaming" the role PMs to determine alignments; this is a game of reading people, not outguessing the GM.

3. Encryption is defined as posting an encoded message on public channels which an average person would require outside tools to decode. It is perfectly acceptable to leave "hidden messages" in your posts (for example, spelling out "I AM THE COP" with the first letters of every sentence), but as a rule of thumb, if you don't think the average webDip user could decode it without a decryption service, don't post it.

4. All in-game communications should be kept within the thread. The mafia will receive a QuickTopic thread for communicating with one another outside of the thread, and the Medium will have one for communicating with the dead, but aside from this, there should be no other forms of private messaging.

5. I don't think this will actually be an issue on webDiplomacy, since users aren't able to edit or delete their own posts anyway; but, if you in fact possess some means of deleting or editing your posts after you've submitted them, do not use it.

6. Players who have been removed from the game are no longer playing the game, and will not be permitted to comment on it in private messages or comment threads. A special chat room will be opened for individuals who wish to spectate on the game, or players who have been eliminated. Use these channels to discuss the game while it is still ongoing.

7. This is a catch-all rule intended to preserve the spirit of the game. If you’re considering saying or doing something that may be against the spirit of the game, PM me about it before saying/doing it and I’ll let you know whether it’s allowed or not.

8. This rule simply means that your actions should in some conceivable way advance your win condition as stated in your role PM. This rule is somewhat subjective, because the difference between a mistake and sabotage is sometimes hard to determine; I will err away from assuming malevolence where reasonably possible. This also means that if you need to leave the game for any reason, you should not simply drop out, but should message me first so I can determine the best course of action.

PENALTIES

The penalty for breaking one of the above rules is decided at the GM’s discretion, up to and including immediate removal from the game and/or sanctions from future games. Removal and/or sanction are instruments of last resort and will be used only if absolutely necessary. A player removed from the game may or may not have their role revealed on removal, depending on the circumstances surrounding their removal.


MISCELLANEOUS NOTES

SPAM
Spamming (defined as excessive content-free posting; or, excessive posting regarding subjects irrelevant to the game) is not banned by rule in this game. A mechanic exists to curb any advantage that spamming as a tactic may confer; please reference the “VOTING” section below for more information. Suffice to say that spamming isn’t worth anyone’s time in this setup, and it is frowned upon, so while you may not be *banned* from doing it, you still shouldn't do it.

VOTING
There are two levels of voting in this game. The first level of voting is for whom you intend to lynch. Notate this vote with a pair of octothorpes before your intended vote target. (EX: ##VOTE Eden) You do not need to spell out your intended target's username fully; as long as I can understand who you're referencing you're good. If you don't use double octothorpes then I won't see it when I ctrl+f through the thread and your vote may not be counted.

The second level of voting is whether or not to employ the hammer mechanic. By default, days are set to 48 hours long, and nights to 24 hours long; however, players may instead elect to end the day as soon as a majority is reached (called a “quick hammer” or simply “hammer”). Notate this vote with a pair of octothorpes before the word end. (EX: ##END) The game will switch to the hammer mechanic for the duration of that day once a majority of players choose to do so.

If you are not able to vote before the hammer is dropped, you will not be penalized for failing to vote during that day.

If two or more players are tied at day’s end, no player will be lynched.

REPLACEMENTS
There will be no player replacements in M10. Players leaving the game will be modkilled.

TURN DURATION
This game’s days will last 48 hours and nights will last 24 hours, unless cut short by in-game mechanics (e.g. hammer). Extensions may be granted at a moderator’s discretion, but don’t count on it.

MODERATOR TEAM
The moderator for this game is ND (userID=68782) and CaptainMeme (userID=41379). PM both of us with any concerns, since you’ll get a faster response that way.

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FORMAT INFORMATION

15 players:

11 Townies:
1 Emperor Palpatine (Medium)
1 Darth Vader (Enforcer/Cop)
1 Grand Moff Tarkin (Mayor)
1 Jailor (IT-0 ISB Droid)
7 Imperial Officials (Vanilla)

3 Mafia:
1 Obi-Wan Kenobi (Roleblocker)
1 Han Solo (Ninja)
1 Luke Skywalker (Mafioso)

1 Independent:
1 Boba Fett (Bounty Hunter)

Role PM’s:

TOWN:

Vanilla:
You are an Imperial Official! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed for treason against the Empire at the end of the day. You have no night actions. You win once all mafia and the Bounty Hunter have been eliminated.

Medium:
You are Emperor Palpatine, Dark Lord of the Sith! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the night you may use your dark side mastery to open a portal to the netherworld of the force to commune with the dead: <Quick Topic thread link>. You may only speak with the dead during the night phase, and if you are jailed you will not be able to communicate that night. You win once all mafia and the Bounty Hunter have been eliminated.

Enforcer (Cop):
You are Darth Vader, Enforcer of the Empire! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the night you may select one player. At the end of the night, if the player you sensed with the force is Luke Skywalker or Obi-Wan Kenobi, you will get a PM saying you sensed the light side. You will sense the dark side when targeting the Bounty Hunter or any other town role. Han Solo has ninja capabilities to mask his light side and seditious activities. You win once all mafia and the Bounty Hunter have been eliminated.

Mayor:
You are Grand Moff Tarkin, Governor of the Outer Rim Territories! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the night you may choose to PM the GM if you wish to reveal your Governor status the follow day. The GM will reveal your role at the beginning of the next day phase. This reveal is a one-time ability, but if it is roleblocked it does not count as being used. After you have revealed you receive two extra votes for a total of three votes in each lynch phase. You win once all mafia and the Bounty Hunter have been eliminated.

Jailor:
You are IT-O ISB Droid, Jailor for the Empire! During the day you make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the day phase you may PM the GM an individual you wish to jail for the night phase. You cannot jail yourself. The player will be roleblocked during the night phase from all actions, and will not be able to post in any QT (mafia or medium). Any night actions targeting the jailed player will fail. You win once all mafia and the Bounty Hunter have been eliminated.

MAFIA:

Roleblocker:
You are Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Jedi Master, and rebel against the Empire! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the night, you may talk to your mafia partners, and choose who to roleblock. Your mafia partners are <Mafia Member C>, Luke Skywalker, and <Mafia Member B>, Han Solo. The target of your roleblock WILL be notified that they have been roleblocked. You may choose not to roleblock anyone. If no other mafia members are able to kill during a night phase (through being dead or jailed), you will be able to make the kill that night, but will not be able to use your roleblock ability. You win once the Bounty Hunter is dead and either all of the town players are dead, or nothing can stop you from eliminating all of the town players. You may use, and must submit night actions to this QuickTopic thread: <QuickTopic thread link>.

Ninja:
You are Han Solo, Captain of the Millennium Falcon, and rebel against the Empire! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the night, you may talk to your mafia partners, and choose on who to kill. Your mafia partners are <Mafia Member A>, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and <Mafia Member C>, Luke Skywalker. As a smuggler you are able to avoid suspicion and appear as dark side aligned if scanned by the Enforcer. You win once the Bounty Hunter is dead and either all of the town players are dead, or nothing can stop you from eliminating all of the town players. You may use, and must submit night actions to this QuickTopic thread: <QuickTopic thread link>.

Mafioso:
You are Luke Skywalker, a Jedi, and rebel against the Empire! During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate which reaches a plurality will be executed at the end of the day. During the night, you may talk to your mafia partners, and choose on who to kill.. Your mafia partners are <Mafia Member A>, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and <Mafia Member B>, Han Solo. The enforcer will sense you as light side aligned. You win once the Bounty Hunter is dead and either all of the town players are dead, or nothing can stop you from eliminating all of the town players. You may use, and must submit night actions to, this QuickTopic thread: <QuickTopic thread link>.

INDEPENDENT

Bounty Hunter:

You are Boba Fett, Mandalorian Bounty Hunter! You start the game with no special abilities, but by getting players with bounties on their heads lynched, you will be able to get new equipment, unlocking abilities.

Your bounties are <Player A>, <Player B> and <Player C>.

If one of these players is lynched you will gain armour, and be immune to nightkills.

If two are lynched you will gain a blaster, which gives a kill you can use once each night phase.

If all three are lynched you will gain a disintegration ray, which will stop the GM posting the role of the player you kill in the thread (you will receive it via PM).

The enforcer will sense you as dark side aligned. You win by surviving to the end of the game and being the last player alive.


PREVIOUS MAFIA THREADS AND REFERENCE POINTS (In order of most recent to least recent)
M9 - threadID=1266590
M8 - threadID=1256043
M7 - threadID=1240217
M5- threadID=1217792
M6 - threadID=1203168
M4 - threadID=1153331
M3.5 - threadID=1143397
M3 - threadID=1142133
M2 - threadID=1129589
M1 - threadID=1116382

General Mafia Discussion - threadID=1126828
Mafia How-To (new players read thoroughly) - threadID=1129840

Player List

1. Chaqa -confirmed-
2. Fluminator -confirmed-
3. Ghug -confirmed-
4. Guak -confirmed-
5. Hellenic Riot -confirmed-
6. Krellin -confirmed-
7. Maniac -confirmed-
8. President Eden -confirmed-
9. thdfrance -confirmed-
10. tvrocks -confirmed-
11. VashtaNeurotic -confirmed-
12. WardenDresden -confirmed-
13. Wjessop -confirmed-
14. Yoyoyozo -confirmed-
15. y2kjbk -confirmed-


THE GAME WILL START AT 6PM EASTERN TIME JULY 21st. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS THREAD LOCKED UNTIL EITHER CAPTAINMEME or MYSELF OPEN IT ON THE 21ST FOR DISCUSSION.

Role PM’s will be sent on the 21st before the game begins. Please discuss this thread in the pre-game thread until the game begins on the 21st. I will post here again when the game officially begins.
ND (879 D)
20 Jul 15 UTC
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Game begins July 21st at 6:00PM EST, role PM's will be issued before that, do not post here until Captainmeme or myself open it. Thanks.
captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
20 Jul 15 UTC
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ROLE UPDATE:

The Jailor cannot target the same person twice in a row.
ND (879 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
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Role PM’s have been sent out. The game will begin in about one hour (one hour and ten minutes).
captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Imperials,

As you all know, the traitor Leia Organa is currently locked up and being interrogated aboard this vessel. We have received intelligence suggesting that the Rebel Alliance has sent a rescue mission, three notorious criminals who are hiding in your midst.

It is your task to eliminate these rebel scum and prevent Leia’s escape. Be vigilant – the information Leia holds is vital to the success of our attempt to crush the rebellion, and we will not take failure lightly.

Finally, be warned that the ship Slave I landed in the main hangar earlier today, but upon inspection no occupants could be found. It’s likely that the owner, a bounty hunter called Boba Fett, is on the loose – we do not know who he is after, but he will cause chaos aboard the ship if left alive, and so must also be eliminated.

MAFIA X: ALL STARS HAS COMMENCED!

Players may now post in this thread. Day 1 will end in 48 hours, at 6pm EST on the 23rd of July.
Chaqa (4027 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
##vote ghug

Definite scum, why so quiet?
ghug (5031 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
Oh god damnit. I didn't get the first vote in. I've brought shame upon my family. ##VOTE ghug.
ghug (5031 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
Who'm I kidding? I'm great! ##VOTE uclabb
ghug (5031 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
(Let's see if anyone falls for my clever reaction test.)
tvrocks (388 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Uclabb is currently my number 1 townread so ##vote ghug.
VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
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Don;t know who they are, but I found the perfect theme for the ninja: http://tinyurl.com/9olrd4j
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
21 Jul 15 UTC
Starred.
Fluminator (496 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
The real reason OB Gyn Kenobi dropped out is because he knew he'd be voted out first. Rebel scum.
Fluminator (496 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Why does that video have so many down votes?
WardenDresden (239 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
For the glory of the empire! Let's find and remove these rebel scum. The jedi are a threat to our very minds. Have you ever heard of this freak named C'baoth? He could take over people's minds! Can we get some ysalamir shipped in from Myrkr to help protect us? I know I'd feel a lot safer if my mind were shielded from any prying force-users. Bearing that in mind, some loyal officers might be made to appear compromised through their manipulations, so let's try to take this slowly and deliberately. As such, until an individual becomes particularly suspect, I will refrain from casting a vote, and indeed will ##VOTE NO LYNCH.

I do expect to develop a suspicion of someone over the next 48 hours, but if no behavior stands out as particularly rebellious, I will not be pressured into murdering a fellow officer.

I'm a technical officer so, I'll just write up a little program into the Star Destroyer's main computer to log any and all stated votes. I'll start that up sometime later today, or when I feel like it might actually be of use. Once it's prepared it will be viewable by any officer with standard clearance, though only editable by myself.
Fluminator (496 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Let's up the stakes this game, and all vote ##END
Yoooooooooooo I thought this started tomorrow.

Lol.

I got MTG tonight but I will be townie at 11:00 cst. Believe it.

&%VOTE Eden for mayor
thdfrance (100 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
I don't think I've ever been so confident in a wagon in my life. &%VOTE Eden for mayor.
Yoyoyozo (177 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Hey n00bz. It's tyme too 420 coo-ik-sc0p these skubs. Swag yolo illuminati. Doritos and Mountain Dew swag.
#3swaggy5u

##Vote WardenDresLAME
Fluminator (496 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
I think my eyes are bleeding.
Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
21 Jul 15 UTC
I don't think you're the only one.
ghug (5031 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
##VOTE Yoyo
Yoyoyozo (177 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
@ghug

I think you misspelled WardenDresden.
ghug (5031 D (B))
21 Jul 15 UTC
No, you did that.
thdfrance (100 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
It's like yoyo just begs to be killed every day 1.
Fluminator (496 D)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Times up.
Vashta is scum.
##Vote Vashta
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
21 Jul 15 UTC
Rebel scum heads are gonna rolllllllll
wjessop (100 D X)
21 Jul 15 UTC
Checking in with what's posted so far. Looking forward to the ensuing fun and frolics
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
21 Jul 15 UTC
I knew it, I'm scared to trust wjessop :/
wjessop (100 D X)
21 Jul 15 UTC
From one line of text? Seems like you just want to line up your first victim.

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Valis2501 (2898 D (G))
10 Aug 15 UTC
MAFIA XI: Confirmations
I know some people may not realize sign up thread is also confirmation thread so let's make that ultra clear:
Starts 8/11/15, 6 PM EDT
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guak (3381 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
When retards play gunboat
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JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Fly Free My Baby :'(
I just sold my first computer, it was really old but i'll never forget its beauty. I never can think of things to bring on trips, but my computer was my best possession. It was like a Mac -1... you know, pre-internet
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bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Ferguson
Apparently the anniversary of Mike Brown's death turned into a reenactment. Anyone know anything?
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2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
04 Aug 15 UTC
2015 Gunboat Tournament Ideas
See inside.
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trip (696 D (B))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Cheap Gunboats
3 games, 10 point, 36hr, WTA, HDV, Anon
First come, first served...
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ghug (5031 D (B))
29 Jul 15 UTC
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Pacific Northwest FTF
I've only ever played FTF with people who don't really care about the game and want to be done after a year, and I always feel a twinge of jealousy when I sew those people having fun playing in real life on that crappy coast across the country. This is just a post to see who might be interested in getting something set up on this side of the country. I'm in the Seattle area.
30 replies
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Hlud (115 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
Monday Evening Live-2
I'm trying to join Monday Evening Live-2 starting in half an hour, as it only shows 6 current players, but only gives me the option to spectate. Why is this? My RR is 100%
8 replies
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TrPrado (461 D Mod)
05 Aug 15 UTC
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Conundrum
So the people who make the schedules at my school are kinda dumb. I signed up for both AP Micro/Macroeconomics and AP European History. Only one class of each is being offered. And they happen to be the same hour. So I need to drop one and pick up some other course. I really don't know, so what (preferably AP) course would you suggest for me to take instead of AP Micro/Macroeconomics (because there's no chance I'll drop Euro)?
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Valis2501 (2898 D (G))
07 Aug 15 UTC
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DIPCON @ Philadelphia Massacre - Live
I'm risking life and limb to bring you guys the latest news all weekend and all tournament long.
108 replies
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Check_mate (100 D)
03 May 15 UTC
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Not "Who am I?", but WHERE am I?
Have some time to kill. Ask yes/no questions to guess WHERE I am. If you guess right you go next. If you guess wrong you're out for the rest of the round.
1022 replies
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Valis2501 (2898 D (G))
07 Jul 15 UTC
MAFIA XI: Sign-ups
MAFIA XI: Sign-ups
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ssorenn (0 D X)
04 Aug 15 UTC
The dreams of solo--
Friends and enemies are welcome. 36 hour wta anon 50pt. Who wants action?
34 replies
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Check_mate (100 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
Cheating accusations
Without mentioning names or game ID's, can I please clarify something.

Making cheating accusations via in-game global press is not allowed, right? The correct procedure being to email the mods who will investigate?
6 replies
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A_Tin_Can (2244 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
New Italian strategy article
The army in Venice should go to Piedmont.

(with apologies to Chris Martin)
29 replies
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D (B))
23 Jul 15 UTC
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Setting up a game
Hi, I have been absent for three years. Its startin' to itch, as Diplomacy remains my favorite board game! Want to play a game with a friend of mine who also hasn't played for a long while.
81 replies
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Jamiet99uk (443 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
I'm still alive
Sorry about that.
13 replies
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Octavious (1720 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
Clause IV
The people's flag is deepest red, or at least it could be. Comrade Corbyn has been suggesting he could bring back clause IV into the Labour Party constitution. I'm interesting in what it sounds like to an international audience.
5 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
My Cat's name is Shadow!!! EOG
This is the difficulty of playing a stalemate line, and I done goofed.
gameID=165777
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
I got a cat
she is shadow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL8At_SUwAAl-74.jpg
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CMurder (749 D)
07 Aug 15 UTC
Getting Germany every single game
Hi everybody, I'd like to ask if anyone has experience with an account getting a certain country every single game. One of my friends who I've played in several games against has drawn Germany out of the pot every single time. We're onto the fifth time out of 5 games he's gotten Germany.

I'd put it up to chance but we've reached 5 sigma and are on our way to 6. Thoughts?
19 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
THE PREMIER LEAGUE IS BACK!!!
Join a Modern Live game as we watch Spurs and United fight it out, followed by the Premier League Season!!!
gameID=165741
Come on soccer nerds, you'll be on your labtop checking stats so just join it and stop pretending.
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OutsideSmoker27 (204 D)
04 Aug 15 UTC
Stop the solo or tighten up the draw?
Which is more important, in your opinion?
65 replies
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