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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
01 Mar 15 UTC
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The School of War - Class of Winter 2015
This thread is for the Winter 2015 class of the School of War. Please be courteous to those running the game and respect any reasonable requests they may make. This semester will be taught by Professor abgemacht, assisted by Adjunct Professor Sh@dow. gameID=155735
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
18 May 15 UTC
I'm not taking a side or saying there isn't or is someone in the wrong, but two people interpreting press wildly different is a ubiquitous and fun part of the game IMHO, happens all the time. Carry on.
Draffin (172 D)
20 May 15 UTC
School of War EOG

Spring 1901
So much politeness! I don’t think I’ve ever been called a Sultan so many times in 48 hours. Everyone’s friendly and it’s a happy go lucky kind of attitude. PeteU (my TA) and I have discussed opening press and we’re ready to take over the world. This is my first time ever playing Turkey and the biggest piece of advice that everyone is saying is that you’re in a box and it’s secure but you have to get out in order to succeed. so this is highest on my priorities.

As mentioned, the opening press was great from every player, the most notable aspects however were Italy informing me that they were going to “play a passive opening and just take Tunis then see what unfolds”. Austria, Germany, Italy and England all expressed concern about a Juggernaut but Austria more so than most. He went to lengths to explain how he had the support of Germany and Italy if a Juggernaut appeared and that Russia and I would be dealt with harshly. Russia was not hesitant in exclaiming that we should indeed ‘roll across the board’ and although this was by far the most succinct offer that I had received I still wasn’t sure whether to take him up on it or not. Russia was adamant about a bounce in the Black Sea however and I felt this seemed like a good place to start.

In terms of the press I was sending out. I wanted France in a strong position as that would hopefully grab the attention of England, Germany and Italy which would give Russia and I some breathing space if we needed it. I therefore sent messages to France and Germany explaining about how having an English nation at their backs for half the game would be a horrible thing and should be dealt with as soon as possible.

I decided to take a conservative opening with the simple Con->Bul, Smyr->Con, Ank->Black. My TA asked me to have a think about what I thought every nation would do for opening moves. I guessed Russia and Germany and Englands however France’s gambit threw me and Italy...oh Italy. I should have realised at this point not to trust the Lord of Pizza but lo and behold he charges straight into Trieste. Convinced that this looked like a Key Lepanto that I had once read about (but never seen, let alone dealt with). I quickly looked up the article and it was indeed a textbook Key Lepanto on Italy’s part. Austria hadn’t done what was recommended in the article and so I remained optimistic that it was actually just a clever gambit by Italy to convince Austria to allow him into his homeland.

Giving credit where credit was due, Italy was very convincing. Going to the lengths of even pointing out that it was a Key to me, he then proceeded to explain how it was a ploy on his part to take over Austria, and all he needed me to do was keep Austria in the south. Meanwhile Austria had explained he wanted to move to Greece from Alb, and that in order to combat the Russian threat he was happy to support me if I moved Bul->Rum.

Russia had requested support from Bulgaria for his move from Sev->Rum. Making a decision based on the fact that I could please both Italy and Russia at Austria’s expense. I explained to Russia that I thought a Key was potentially underway, but that Italy will turn on Austria and that we could take advantage of this. So I bounced Austria in Greece. Thus giving Russia his build (and furthering our alliance), denying Austria Greece and having Italy pounce on his back all in the fall of 1901...it was too good to be true.

Meanwhile, France and Germany were making true on what I requested and were indeed in the middle of taking England for a ride. I realised that they might end up doing this too efficiently and I’d potentially created a monster France too early in the game and started to try and convince Germany to stab him.

Maybe it was naivete, maybe it was because it was my 30th birthday and I was drunk for most of the turn, maybe it was greed. But I didn’t consider trying to prevent the Key by moving Bul->Serb until the last hour before the turn ended. I dismissed my thought as paranoid foolery and decided to stick with my current plan of uprooting Austria.

Fall 1901
Live and learn is what they say as the fall of 1901 came to be. It was indeed a Key, I was indeed compromised and indeed in an unfortunate position. With my TA scolding himself for not advising the move to Serbia, I decided to do the only thing I could...diplome like I had never diplomed before. I sent long winded and extravagant messages to both Austria and Italy explaining why their attack on me was a flight of fancy. To Italy I explained that he would be bashing his armies against my little yellow box with no gains to be had for years. He was much better to attack Austria while he was vulnerable and then our illustrious IT could rule the world.

To Austria I said much the same except that Italy was strung out and in a perfect position to be attacked, I also informed Austria in no uncertain terms that Russia was about to bear down on his homeland like an avenging angel and smoosh him and he’s delicious goulash into the mud. This was helpfully backed up by the comments in the SoW thread that unanimously agreed the goulash would definitely be muddy.

I had explained to Russia that I was moving to the Black sea in order to get my fleet out through Con, this was actually true, and was then hampered by being boxed in by the key. I informed Russia that our alliance was indeed a thing and that he should destroy Austria while I tied up his units, I promised to remove the fleet from the Black Sea as soon as was convenient.

During the retreats and builds of 1901, Germany sent some stern press concerning my relationship with Russia, I told him to convince Austria to work with me if he wanted to avoid a juggernaut. Italy responded to my plea wanting to know exactly how we would go about world domination and I gleefully explained it would require Russia’s help, but then we could turn on Russia once Austria was disposed of.

Spring 1902
Italy and I had negotiations about him taking Greece from the Aegean, he lied and instead attacked Bulgaria...not much else happened.

Fall 1902
The same negotiation happened about Greece from the Aegean and Italy lied again...you’d think I’d have learned something. He also moved into the Eastern med and Austria took the Ionian. I’m in trouble. Meanwhile, Germany had muted England over England helping Russia take the north sea. I sent press to both in an effort to make them ally and prevent Russia from winning the game too quickly. I kept trying to convince France to build a fleet in Mars and tell Austria that he needs to attack Italy or he’s going to lose the game.

Spring 03
Italy finally came to the table and hit Greece from the Aegean, In the same turn Russia was also in position to support me into Serbia which dislodged the Italian army. I was also able to finally remove my fleet from the Black Sea as I promised to my good friend and ally, Russia.

Fall 03
I kept up communication with Italy informing him that I was indeed going to help him take the Austria centres and that we could then move on Russia together. Germany was also campaigning that I should move against my purple neighbour but I definitely felt far too weak to even bother making a move at this point in the game. Along with that, I really like Steingrim and had gotten along very well with him at this point. He was the only player in the game that hadn’t threatened me or attacked me. So in short, I really didn’t want to stab him and was resisting this request from the other players for this reason.

To coincide with this, I really really disliked Italy. He had lied to me practically every turn of the game so far and I had no reason to start trusting him now. Yes, he’d eventually turned on Austria but only after the litanies of messages that I’d sent to him and where I’d received either one line messages, no reply or outright lies in return. So...I wanted justice and I wanted to destroy Italy.
If I wasn’t so emotionally blinded, I probably would have listened to Germany a lot more in regards to attacking Russia earlier. But the combination of liking Russia and disliking Italy definitely made my decision for me. Perhaps something to learn from.

I had also negotiated with Russia which territories we would have and I requested Trieste as in any good Jugg, it’s Turkey’s by right. Russia was very convincing in saying that he needed it to finish of Austria and that he would return it to me afterwards and I believed him...

Spring 1904
In continuing my gleeful destruction of Italy, I took Greece.

It also became apparent that Italy and Austria had started to come to some kind of alliance as I saw Austria launch out of Tunis with reckless abandon towards France thus leaving himself at Italy’s mercy.
Germany kept trying to convince me to attack Russia and I kept putting it off.

Fall 1904
It appears Italy has lied to Austria as well, as Italy pounces on Tunis taking the Austrian out of the game.

I asked Russia to hold Trieste so we could stop the Italian from taking it.

At this point Germany has started to convince me to turn on Russia, I decided I’d move against him in the spring of 1906 as I assumed I’d hold trieste by then and would be able to build a fleet in Ank to help take the black sea

Spring 1905
Turns out Russia got the jump on the me. I was mildly hurt by this as I really like Steingrim, but thats Diplomacy. I decided to make peace with Italy as soon as possible seeing as I was definitely not going to survive this with a war on two fronts. I also start attempting to convince Germany to start sending units East against Russia before he became too strong.

Stein in his EoG commented on my move of an army to Greece instead of convoying to Apu. I actually told him in the press before the move that I was moving to Greece so I’m not sure why he thought otherwise. The reason I didn’t was that I didn’t want to leave Bul empty as it would have made me too much of a target. I intended to convoy the army from Greece to Apu in the following turn. This never eventuated of course because of Steins stab.

Fall 1905
From this point on the turns really speak for themselves, I continued to try and recruit Germany but I was steadily losing centres as I had a particularly undefended homeland.

I quickly sent my units back to try and maintain control but knew I was in a lot of trouble. If Germany had turned around immediately I might have had a chance but at this point he was too engrossed in France.

On the bright side, Italy and I started to finally work together properly and it became quite an enjoyable alliance.

Spring 1906 and onwards
I started trying to convince Russia to work with me in someway and he offered that if I was to send my fleets against Italy immediately he’d leave me 2-3 centres and wouldn’t finish me off. We had quite a bit of heated bargaining at this point and I was tempted to do what he said. However my one sticking point was that he needed to withdraw some units before I was going to move any fleets.

I think he understood why, as I couldn’t really spend a turn moving away and give him the opportunity to break his word and just roll through me. He wouldn’t boon me this request and because neither of us was willing to budge he simply continued grinding me down. A big part of my argument was that he needed me to solo (which I still maintain as true) but seeing as he wasn’t willing to give me the space there was no way I would turn west and as such I was removed from the game.

Italy technically dealt a final blow which was unfortunate but understandable.



In Conclusion
A big thank you to Abgemacht and Shadow for offering their advice and Valis for organising the SoW. I had a great deal of fun and despite being quite new to diplomacy and not altogether proficient with a lot of the nuances of the game, I learned a great deal.

Another big thank you to my TA PeteU who kept me alive far longer than I deserved to, I’m super appreciative of your help and look forward to playing against you one day.

Of course thank you to all the players, you were all great to play with and the variety of styles that you all employ was very enlightening and entertaining. Steingrim, I particularly enjoyed our alliance and you deserved to be in the winning position for the game. You played very well and are a very likeable player which I believe counts for a lot. I’m only slightly depressed that you stabbed me and luckily whiskey has helped me through that phase of my life.

Thanks again all.
Draffin



Pete U (293 D)
21 May 15 UTC
Bumping so I follow up Draffin's EOG with mine
Pete U (293 D)
21 May 15 UTC
So, firstly, I'd like to say what a pleasure it was working with Draffin - despite the time difference we had a lot of great discussions, and it never felt like hard work.

I think he's summarised the game pretty well - Turkey is interesting because there aren't many options in 1901, and you have to take a longer view for success. Despite the Key (and we should have spotted that - I was busy and it was Draffin's bithday weekend), he never got downhearted, and recovered from a poor position to something that was pretty promising.

And, as he says, just as we were discussing the need the turn on Russia, Russia pulled off a lovely stab. I'm still surprised that the draw was agreed so quickly - I thought Russia still had a shot at the solo.





mendax (321 D)
21 May 15 UTC
I don't have too much to say about this game, as TA: From very early on the message was pretty much identical - to get Russia onside to defend against Germany and France. Then, it was to tactically defend against France until he either pulled back or collapsed. Eventually, the later happened, we swept in and a draw was swiftly agreed.

Tactically, this game was interesting. Strategically, we never had any room to make any meaningful decisions beyond survival. Phase after phase of defending yourself against a stubborn but clearly fruitless attack is not a fun game.
mrh308 (197 D)
26 May 15 UTC
Bump. Still waiting to hear from England, France, Italy and Austria.
mrh308 (197 D)
09 Jun 15 UTC
one more bump to see if anyone else has anything to say. I would particularly like to hear from France and Italy.


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krellin (80 DX)
08 Jun 15 UTC
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Ahh...Hypocricy If Fun
The game....on this blessedly peaceful website, that is all about enhancing the game of diplomacy, is "F. you krellin you racist piece of dirt"

Just because a child uses "F" instead of "Fuck" doesn't mean we don't know what you mean. And a Mod that fails to punish the creator and silence him/her for the good of the web site is a hypocrite. Just saying...
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Frost_Faze (102 D)
08 Jun 15 UTC
Fall of the American Empire, Florida Player needed.
Hey, I am currently in a game of the American Empire.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162374&msgCountryID=5
but we need a new Florida player, he has missed his first turn, and I expect he will miss a few more, but otherwise it is a full game, so join if you're interested.
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gwalchmai (331 D)
08 Jun 15 UTC
Brotherband Gunboat 15 - dragging the game out!
Im playing brotherband gunboat 15. Everyone is anonymous and there is no in game messaging. Almost every turn a number of people do not confirm their orders and leave them unconfirmed. So every turn runs the full 24 hours. Why do people do this? Am I missing an important reason?
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cubby208 (100 D)
07 Jun 15 UTC
Anyone up for a live game today?
Looking for people to join a live game. Classic board
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Jun 15 UTC
So hypothetically..
If we can have threads for spamming random words, Bible verses and all that stuff, wouldn't it be more amusing and useful to have a thread dedicated to non-game related advertisements?
I've discovered over time that there's some interesting and useful services offered by webdippers and I'd love to find out more, if nothing else.
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Pimp Magician (0 DX)
04 Jun 15 UTC
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Tips for getting the solo
Hey guys,

Recently, I've come on top of a lot of games, but eventually had to draw it out because the other players would unite. Eventually, the game comes down to three players and you can tell just from SC count who's threatening to solo, so those players will always unite against you. How can I break through this, or set up situations where players are not uniting against me in the first place?
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ChippeRock (2554 D)
06 Jun 15 UTC
Upcoming Live World Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162389

Click the link to join and we can get nice live world game going.
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Gunboat?
Hey, as a rather new player on this site, and I am still rather confused as to what "live gunboat" games are. I understand that live is 5 min phases, but I'm not sure what gunboat is supposed to mean. Thanks for the clarification!
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
03 Jun 15 UTC
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Self-Censorship
I didn't want to derail orathaics' thread, but this whole Jenner business has brought this issue to the forefront of my mind.
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Making a game
I would like to make a game:
gunboat, wta, anon, without this hidden votes bullshit,143 pts to enter, no special r rating needed. Are there interested people?
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Quick Work Jerk
Join this game for some quick AncMed fun!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162394
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Ienpw_III (117 D)
04 Jun 15 UTC
Two mid-stakes games still looking for players
See inside
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
04 Jun 15 UTC
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I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me
FTA: "So it's not just that students refuse to countenance uncomfortable ideas — they refuse to engage them, period. Engagement is considered unnecessary, as the immediate, emotional reactions of students contain all the analysis and judgment that sensitive issues demand."
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Franz Ferdinand III (188 D)
06 Jun 15 UTC
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Live World game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162375

Click the link to join and we can get nice live world game going, starts at 12 noon Central Standard Time
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GreGwar (350 D)
04 Jun 15 UTC
cancel a game with one player dcing
We started a game, but germany haven't played sice the beginning. We all voted for cancel but it's not cancelling.
What can we do ?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162056
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JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Jun 15 UTC
I dont even. but i also do. just open
Why are Scandinavia and Germany separated in World diplomacy IX? Is it so Baltic Sea and North Sea are touching, but couldn't we just have a 4 way split like the seas in anc med?
In the classic variant Denmark touches Sweden, so I was just curious about why it doesn't there.
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I Love Italy (100 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Ancient Med Fun-6
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=161956

Four more players required. Ancient Med Game. 3 Day deadlines. Please join.
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Pimp Magician (0 DX)
03 Jun 15 UTC
What's your favorite board and why?
I haven't played much so almost all of my games have been on the classic board. I've noticed, though, that most games are on the other boards. Why are they so popular?
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KingCyrus (511 D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
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I saved a life
Pretty happy about that
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DarkAssassin21 (119 D)
04 Jun 15 UTC
World Diplomacy Challenge
I don't know if I was supposed to advertise in the non live games but anywho. I am proposing a world diplomacy game that has a twist. It is WWIII and each country has taken sides. You can be with the United Countries of the World or the Separatists. The sides will be posted once I get 16 more players
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jbalcorn (429 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Define: Carebear
It's a term that wasn't in use when I last played. I think I get it from context, but I'd like the definition....
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Yaniv (1380 D(S))
03 Jun 15 UTC
Neutral Italy in a game with just six players
A nice option to have when first setting up a game might be "in instances when there are only six confirmed players, Italy will remain neutral - YES/NO". This fall back would of course be included in the game description (ie: anon, no in-game messaging, RR50%, etc). Any opinions?
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TheMarauder (1270 D)
03 Jun 15 UTC
World gunboat!
gameID=162089
Join please!! I've had trouble getting one of these started
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
02 Jun 15 UTC
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Blatter resigns.
Legitimately interested in what's best for FIFA or escaping just ahead of the posse?
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acomputingpun (100 D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
If a winner-takes-all game ends in a draw, are points still split equally?
I can't find anything in the FAQ that says this explicitly (although it implies they are)
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
02 Jun 15 UTC
You'd think...
that Caitlyn Jenner coming out, and news coverage would be celebrated by the trans community, it raises awareness and helps normalize their lives.

But...
22 replies
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Scramble for the World
Virtually a live game, it'll move quick and I'm looking for a way to get through finals week. Everyone join for a fun game of global domination.
Game title: Scramble for the World
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TheMarauder (1270 D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
World gunboat!
gameID=162089
I've been having trouble getting enough people to join. I set a very long amount of time for people to join, but it will start immediately if we get enough players. Please join!
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
01 Jun 15 UTC
Not leaving, but kind of leaving
I have not had a lot of free time this year, and I'm about to have even less. I don't anticipate I'll be spending a lot of time here. Probably I will make like 1 or 2 short comments on a few threads and then disappear. Don't think I'm ignoring you on purpose, it's just because I don't have the time to refresh all the time like I sometimes do. Lol. One Love
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