He scanned Vashta the first night after I was lynched. He may or may not have changed those orders, but I would have been the logical next choice.

Jeff, we killed you because you seemed useless.

Also, being SK was odd. The SK is an odd role, since he has no reason to behave any different from ordinary town until there are almost no players left, and that's only in some situations. As for killing people, I didn't have anyone I wanted to kill most of the time, anyway. The only way to find SK is through power-role actions, or through constructing a situation where he decides to claim.

Abolish the SK for next time, it's a horrible role.

Jeff, had you claimed, you would have been killed during the night (and RBed so you couldn't protect yourself, which means whoever SG scanned would have gone through). We would have killed Vash on day one, but I doubt we would have had as much to go off of with ghug. Knowing him, he would have gotten out of it. Indirectly, if all things stayed constant after you, the fact that Vashta lived through day one might have been the reason the town actually caught ghug in the end. That said, try not to do that again.

I wish I had been in any condition to build cases on day two and three. I would have been able to separate myself from ghug by making the case on him and then they would have had to waste that kill on me instead of Vashta. That would have helped the town a lot.

@all ... I assume I am GMing next game (no promises, but I assume it for now). If I am, there won't be a SK. It would hopefully start by the end of January.

Bo, my intention was always to get caught at some point. With my buddies being of the lurking variety, I elected to drive town discussion as much as possible to keep them off the radar, get y'all to do a few stupid things (the SK nightvoting), and take someone down with me (you) when I went. I was hoping I'd last another day, but everyone caught the connection with you too early and then Yoyo decided to be rabid.

I don't agree the SK night voting is stupid. I don't even get why it might be stupid.

Rabid, I like that phrasing. Tbh my initial suspicions where y2k and alex. Not sure why I didn't go through with it. Maybe it was a newbie thing. When I suspected ghug, I decided to keep going with it just to see what would happen.

I kinda sold myself out for sure trying to protect Ghug but I sorta hoped bo would live through that night and he'd get lynched over me. And I never showed a connection to y2k or tvrocks so I didnt see a reason not to try.

Bo, we should get the signup thread up ASAP. More time for people to get ready and sign up and such.

@uclabb, because the result that night was clearly going to be Mintyboy, who was innocent. It's not bad in general.

That's fair

@Chaqa ... I'll do that when I get back from vacation. I get back on New Years.

@ghug ... I know. I caught the connection on day two but I thought I had a better shot at getting Minty within the same day, who really did look scummy, than getting you within the same day. I would have made a case on day three or during the second night but that plan got interrupted by the best weekend ever. It would have been easy to build a case against you by vindicating Vashta and going back through your other games, as there was something visibly different, but maintaining any case against you is always a challenge, so I tried to get who I thought was the easy scum first. I was wrong, obviously.

@bo, you chose not to make a case on someone you thought was scum? Damn dude. Do that the next time I'm scum. Please.

I'm honestly still a bit surprised nobody found the Vashta case compelling. He really wasn't contributing at all to helping y'all find us. I'm also going to continue to maintain that the difference in tone was entirely because Thanksgiving was the worst weekend ever and then because Yoyo is a dumbass (love you Yoyo).

I thought you and Minty both were, lol. I made the case I was most confident in. I wanted to get you to bus him but I was wrong about him entirely.

@ghug- i had a couple moments early in the game where I thought, "Why isn't ghug backing me up on this?" That's part of what I meant with the tone argument, but of course I couldn't say that because people would have thought I was even crazier. Basically what I am saying is that you are so helpful as town that you being mafia was palpable just by subtraction

Vashta was bleeding town.

@uclabb, yeah I turned the "backing up uclabb" thing up quite a bit day two once I was back to a computer and a bit more composed, but the seed of doubt had already been planted at that point. You need to stop making bad discussion suggestions at the beginning of the game though, they're just too tempting to attack.

Agree with both of you.

What bad suggestions did he make besides the PR thing, ghug?

For the record. Had Jeff claimed there would have been a good chsnce tvrocks would have been lynched. Though I also might have gotten killed.

His whole WIFOM thing last game raised flags early that I should have looked at more closely (I think it was guak's stated reason for shooting him that night), and the marine thing this game was super weird.

@Vash, you were by far the second biggest train. I'm not letting a teammate die day one unless I'm leading the charge.

I still don't understand WIFOM but that's okay.

In hindsight, I still find the marine thing scummy, but he didn't really do anything else too weird. I think he and I both have the same tendency to try to start a discussion regardless of faction and if enough people lurk, that gets us in trouble.

@ghug: Also, the main way I am helpful to the town is organizing and directing discussion and allowing the town to work together, not in my ability to hunt scum.

It's more that he starts discussions that I wouldn't expect to tell us anything about alignment, and does so with suggestions that I disagree with. As I don't usually disagree with him, it just feels wrong.

@Vash, you weren't even doing that though; you were just defending yourself and posting reaction gifs.

I stand 100% behind what I said about wifom in that game. Everything I said in that game was true. I said what I said about the marine because I thought the marine was like a hunter in werewolves.

@uclabb, you and bo were intent on the town reaching some sort of conclusion regarding the validity of WIFOM in discussing nightkills. The only motivation I could see for that was giving the mafia a way to act that wouldn't make them look suspicious.

Did anyone post the QT links? If not:

God QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/UqAGarCNbWr5M
Mafia QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/Yqk4Tz5nMfvD

Not sure if there was a normal observer QT - if there was I wasn't given the link.

Also, just for Ghug, next game we should do one where everyone is a SK with copscan immunity except one person, who is a cop :)