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mapleleaf (0 D X)
01 Jul 14 UTC
zultar, the american, is missing the point.
I actually SUPPORT my american neighbors and envy their freedom.
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denis (864 D)
03 Jul 14 UTC
Two units bounce
SO two units Bounce each other in a territory, say Munich and Burgundy bounce in Rurh during Autumn of 1904, can another unit, say Belgium or Kiel then retreat into that Territory during the Retreats Phase of Autumn 1904.
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mapleleaf (0 D X)
03 Jul 14 UTC
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For forum users, please read this here thread.
It's way better than the other one. lol.
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Maniac (344 D (B))
03 Jul 14 UTC
Well I for one am glad they're dead.
Peter Allen and Gwynne Owen - hope you don't rest in peace.

In my opinion hanging was too good for them, maybe the electric chair would have been more fitting.
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zultar (4170 D Mod (P))
02 Jul 14 UTC
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WebDiplomacy Community & Freedom of Speech
Please read.
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
02 Jul 14 UTC
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College
So I am a high school graduate, and a college student come august. While I am aware of the benefits to college; I am curious as to how college or lack there of has affected anyone else. Looking for more perspective.
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krellin (80 D X)
03 Jul 14 UTC
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You Guys....
I love you guys. All of you. No. Really! I do!! <smooches>

Here's to a brighter, kinder me...
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krellin (80 D X)
02 Jul 14 UTC
The Quantum Shift
...<chew on this>...
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krellin (80 D X)
03 Jul 14 UTC
Help for the Overly Sensitive
I a further effort to help those insensitive...er...I mean overly sensitive virgin eyes that enjoy this blessed place, please avail yourself of this wonderful protective gear:
http://www.woot.com/offers/protect-yourself-1?ref=cnt_wp_9_3
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
Changing your mind
Is it a sign of weakness or strength.
A post by Putin in the other thread got be thinking about the topics that I have changed my thinking of over the years. Most changed with no regards to this board. One did, as Putin pointed out. I used to see the atomic bombing of Japan in WWII as a very unfortunate strategic necessity. Documents presented on this board, and my own failed research to counter those documents, which just revealed more damning documents, changed my mind on that. I think now that it was a mistake, motivated by unworthy political considerations. Of course this is hardly the only topic I've changed my mind on.

What have you changed your mind on? Do you agree with the current political culture that treats changing opinions as a "flip flop." Does changing your mind in a political arena differ from in the personal arena? Is the action of changing ones mind a opportunistic sign of weakness or not? Discuss if you so please.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
02 Jul 14 UTC
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Depends on which way you change your mind ..... if you had decided to stop smoking and not give your kids lung cancer, but then thought wtf let them suffer and then went back to smoking I would see that as a sign of weakness
this is more in the political realm, although I agree with you Nigee, lung cancer can be an unfortunate result of changing one's mind
SYnapse (0 D X)
02 Jul 14 UTC
Webdip rule no. 1 never back down
Octavious (1707 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
As with all things political, those opposed to you will say it's a sign of weakness, and those who support you will say it's a sign of strength. The general public are a far more sensible bunch and will support a change of mind if it is one they approve of, and slate it if it's one they don't.
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
02 Jul 14 UTC
Well I mean for tough gray area problems (like the events of Hiroshima and Nagasaki) there is always a considerable level of opinion change ;it's part of the process we as humans use to mature as individuals and as we grow older and learn more we either strengthen our prior opinions or completely develope new ones. Think of it like this ; most of us believed in some childhood fantasy at one time, then we learned new information and developed to realize it was not true. So over time your opinion may change 3, 4, or an infinite number of times. The important thing is to never let your opinions prevent you from compromise and subsequently progress.
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
02 Jul 14 UTC
Also remember it depends what perspective you are viewing an issue from. If you are viewing the Nagasaki Hiroshima issue from a civilian perspective then it was totally an uncalled for military slaughter of innocent people; if you view it from the military perspective it is a nessecary military operation that saved the lives of millions of American and Japanese nationals. Depending on the facts you have been dealt and your life experience you may take up either or a completely different opinion.
Octavious (1707 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
The best way to achieve the general scorn and contempt of nearly everyone, of course, is to change your mind and change it back again.
I disagree with Octavious, because it seems that the political arena seems to present it as a sign of weakness or opportunism that must be avoided at all cost. Individuals in politics come up with elaborate explanations to explain away the fact that they simply changed their mind as seen with John Kerry Hillary Clinton Mitt Romney, etc. Why do you have to spend 30 minutes explaining that your opinion naturally "evolved," when you can simply say, "I changed my mind, haven't you?"
Octavious (1707 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
Because politicians like people to think they've given the issues a lot of personal thought and careful attention.
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
02 Jul 14 UTC
@octvius this I why people should work to counter that by supporting leaders who openly change opinions.
Putin33 (111 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
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The problem is less changing one's mind and more changing one's mind and acting just as certain about your moral superiority as before. There's also the issue of the scale of 'mind-changing' and 'mind-changing' conveniently occurring when it offers greater access to power. Trotskyists are rather notorious for one day railing against American miltiarism to the next day become hard-right neocons.

Sorry if this makes me a dogmatist but I'm rather skeptical of such born-again stories, and I don't respect it.

But if the mind-changing is that you come across new information and change your view on an issue, then fine. Just don't go around demonizing your former comrades about how they're the worst, most irrational people on the planet for not changing theirs.
Putin33 (111 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
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And to answer the question of mind-changing, yes I have changed my mind on a number of issues.

1 - I used to think religion had a positive or at least neutral role to play in society, I no longer do.
2 - I used to think green politics/environmentalism was a bourgeois lifestyle choice of the privileged, I no longer do.
3 - I used to think rehabilitation and decriminalization was the best way of dealing with various crime problems, I no longer do.
4 - I used to think identity politics (GLBTQ rights for example) was a way of privileged people laying false or inflated claims of oppression as a sort of status symbol/method of silencing people, and a way to distract people from the primary problem of class struggle. I no longer do.
5 - I have struggled very deeply with the question of Israel and what the proper orientation should be towards it. I have changed my mind on this issue more than once.
6 - The most radical change of all is my orientation towards European imperialism in the 19th century. I no longer believe it was objectively exploitative and instead think it conferred some progressive benefits. Also I believe its development was largely accidental.
Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Jul 14 UTC
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Definitely weakness to change your mind
Maniac (344 D (B))
02 Jul 14 UTC
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Actually, upon reconsideration, maybe it's a strength.
semck83 (229 D (B))
02 Jul 14 UTC
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I agree with Putin's post about mind-changing. I think mind-changing by a politician *can* (but need not, depending on the context) appear blatantly opportunistic, and raise legitimate concerns about whether any of his positions, past or present, was actually principled and will actually be adhered to when it becomes inconvenient to do so again in the future.

But of course, it's certainly possible for a politician to change his mind for good reasons. A good start for showing that that happened would be explaining the good reasons.

Things I've changed my mind on:

1) I used to find the doctrinaire Republican case against illegal immigrants compelling. I no longer do. (My positions on this would still be moderate conservative).

2) I used to think George W. Bush's use of executive powers was reasonable and unconcerning, and I no longer do. However, while I'm also concerned about the current administration's abuses (as I see them), I recognize that its supporters have the same motivations not to see them that way that I had when Bush was President, so I can't well complain if they deny such abuses. I only hope that the next President, whoever that may be, will be held accountable by people of both parties for their use of executive power.

3) I feel pretty ambivalent about what the legal status of various drugs should be, and my opinion could be described as a slow oscilation without high confidence. I hope that it will settle and my confidence increase. Arguments on this board have been among several that have augmented this ambivalence.

4) I have come to accept the Miami Heat's right to exist, although I'm not at all happy about it.
Fasces349 (0 D X)
02 Jul 14 UTC
Changing your opinions when presented with new facts is a positive attribute, one that two few people posses.

"2 - I used to think green politics/environmentalism was a bourgeois lifestyle choice of the privileged, I no longer do. "
It is:
Green energy is more expensive, which hurts those living in poverty. There is no evidence that organic food is more nutritious or better for the environment then conventional foods. Organic food is more expensive which, again, hurts those living in poverty.

Much of the green movement is based little on fact and more on what the privileged hippies believe we should be doing.
SYnapse (0 D X)
02 Jul 14 UTC
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Putin's post just earned him a mute. Lol @ number 6.
SYnapse (0 D X)
02 Jul 14 UTC
As for what I've changed my mind on:

1. I used to think that religion was opiate of the masses and irrational - I no longer do.
2. I used to believe in Charles Darwin's misconstrued "survival of the fittest" - I no longer do. <- likewise to the 'religion of science'.
3. I used to believe that the world was progressively getting worse - I no longer do.
4. I used to believe that there was a right and wrong answer to everything - I no longer do.
5. I used to think that you needed to earn lots of money to be happy - I no longer do.

Perhaps my biggest two:
6. I used to be afraid of people looking at me, of being judged or laughed at, I was afraid of the night and of the city. Now I am not afraid.
7. I used to think that school and careers and money was so damned important, and I've come to value health and happiness far greater.
Putin33 (111 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
"Putin's post just earned him a mute. Lol @ number 6."

Glad to see you're still open-minded there, Mr. Open-Minded.
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Jul 14 UTC
LOL @ Semck's #4.

Crazy Anglican (250 D)
03 Jul 14 UTC
Neither, it's a sign of flexibility.
Bron Bron gonna get his 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th rings next five years baby #LifeLongHeatFan #CutDwyaneWade #JordanAintTheGOAT
As for the OP, as with basically everything it depends, but acknowledging a past mistake and changing your mind as a result is most certainly a sign of strength to me. I expect that in a leader. I can see where quickly changing one's mind a lot about a given issue indicates weakness, but in the most common political sense, where someone gets called a "flip-flopper" or the like for changing his or her position on a stance on an issue, I think it's mostly bogus and I hate hearing the phrase. One might change support for that person running for office given the change in stance, but it's not a sign of weakness to me.
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Jul 14 UTC
Lebron is the GOAT but he doesn't need to know that.


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abgemacht (840 D (G))
02 Jul 14 UTC
Need A Replacement For France
I'm looking for an active, respected player to partner with the remaining French player in our Dummy trial game (gameID=143236). If you aren't familiar with this game, each country has 2 players that equally share control (press, moves, etc). Let me know if you're interested.
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SYnapse (0 D X)
30 Jun 14 UTC
Ramadan
Anyone else doing this? I was challenged by my Muslim friends at work, damn I'm hungry.
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krellin (80 D X)
02 Jul 14 UTC
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Whiny-A** B*tches!!
http://online.wsj.com/articles/new-york-court-strikes-down-cyberbullying-law-1404239912?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

That's right, you are all a bunch of whiny ass bitches and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. Suck on that :P
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Sevyas (869 D)
13 Mar 14 UTC
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2014 - 7 games wta series
As the initial thread is closed but the tournament is still running, here a new thread for general tournament announcements, pause requests, ranking, ...
Let's keep this one alive

Old thread: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1092719#1092719
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FineRedMist (108 D)
30 Jun 14 UTC
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Who's the least intelligent puppy-kicking child-fucker on this forum?
A) Draugnar
B) krellin
C) ssorenn
D) FineRedMist
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ILN (100 D)
02 Jul 14 UTC
Nice game if you're interested
Don't know if this is spam or not, not selling paintings or anything - just a recommendation.

Link and description below:
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semck83 (229 D (B))
30 Jun 14 UTC
Hobby Lobby
The US Supreme Court has just (ten minutes ago) upheld Hobby Lobby's right, under religious conscience, not to provide contraception coverage to its employees.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf
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Jamiet99uk (202 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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Proportionate response?
Earlier this month, three Israeli teenagers went missing in the occupied West Bank. Israeli authorities allege that Hamas abducted them. Hamas has stated that this is untrue and that they are not responsible.
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semck83 (229 D (B))
29 Jun 14 UTC
Cuba
Has anybody been? Is it this bad?

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/sunday-commentary/20140627-the-last-communist-city.ece
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
01 Jul 14 UTC
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True Friends Stab You In The Front EOG
gameID=142294

Thanks for the game, everyone. Not particularly well played by myself; I made at least 2 serious blunders and probably should have been eliminated, but it was still great fun.
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tvrocks (388 D)
01 Jul 14 UTC
sitter needed
i'm going on a 4 day camping trip (against my will by the way) next week starting monday. Please post if you can.
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Chaqa (3204 D (B))
23 Jun 14 UTC
7 player, 7 games series (gunboat)
Just looking for 6 other players. The goal will be to have 7 games with the same 7 players. Been done many times, I know. I'll be scrutinizing the people, so only decent players (no noobs, sorry).
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President Eden (2427 D)
29 Apr 14 UTC
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Mafia General Discussion Thread
Single-thread resource for discussion of mafia games on webDiplomacy. Please remember not to comment in here about specific ongoing games!
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President Eden (2427 D)
01 Jul 14 UTC
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Can we stop with the hate circlejerk threads?
This is as a member of the community not a mod, but there's been two threads today calling out specific members and inviting flaming. It's really old and just degrades the forum discourse. Please stop? Thanks <3
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Jamiet99uk (202 D)
23 Jun 14 UTC
Anti-jokes
Let's have your best anti-jokes. Here are a few:

Q: Why didn't Jesus play hockey?
A: Because baseball and soccer are much more popular sports in Mexico.
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italiathad88 (0 D X)
01 Jul 14 UTC
live game
Join my live game (5 min) "Derbyshire"Starts in forty minutes.
Or email me when you plan on playing live.
delvaleagles@yahoo.com
I will play live games to your specification as well.
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KingCyrus (512 D)
01 Jul 14 UTC
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Did anyone miss Putin33?
After a couple of days, and seeing him participate in a few heated arguments, I ask the population of webDip. Did you miss Putin33? I know I did. Whether for laughing at him and his ideology, glad of a champion of your ideology, someone to defend Russia, or someone else to call krellin names, who had SOME reason to be glad he is back?
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krellin (80 D X)
01 Jul 14 UTC
Hate on Soccer
http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2014/06/25/americas-favorite-national-pastime-hating-soccer-n1855817

Who loves Coulter! Gotta love this.
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denis (864 D)
01 Jul 14 UTC
Replacement for Germany LIVE GAME
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=144052 Germany left
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
27 Jun 14 UTC
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The Favorite Author Tournament: EDGAR ALLAN POE VS. J.R.R. TOLKIEN
Fighting out of the Red Corner, with works such as The Raven, Annabel Lee, The Fall of the House of Usher, Masque of the Red Death, The Purloined Letter and The Cask of Amontillado, America's first international literary superstar, EDGAR ALLAN POE! Fighting out of the Blue Corner, author of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and the undisputed champion of the Fantasy genre, J.R.R. TOLKIEN! We began with 64 Authors...now, we crown WebDip's collective favorite!
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