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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Jun 14 UTC
Forum Moderation and Muting
For the past few years abge and the mod team have been asking members to tell us what you wanted moderation wise. More than anything we have asked you to email Kestas if you do not agree with site policy. Not a single person EVER has emailed him asking for more forum moderation.
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denis (864 D)
10 Jun 14 UTC
Live game replacement
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=143221 replacement for Austria
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
09 Jun 14 UTC
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I deserve that Gold Star.
Let's face it. I'm in the Zone right now. Star me.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Jun 14 UTC
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JMO Chastisement Thread
JMO, having now been seen as naughty in the eyes of the community, has thus earned public chastisement. Please chastise JMO here:

BAD!! BAD JMO! Bad, naughty, JMO! I think it's time for a spanking...
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
09 Jun 14 UTC
Foreign Control Diplomacy
A variant that puts even more emphasis on diplomacy.
I'll explain my idea with an example inside:
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Maniac (189 D(B))
10 Jun 14 UTC
Couple of players needed
25 webdiplomacy points bet, 24hr, WTA full press - I have 4/5 already, let me know if anyone else interested and I'll PM password - Reliable people only please
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Maniac (189 D(B))
09 Jun 14 UTC
FIFA Soccer World Cup
Place your bets
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
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I'm back! Who wants to kill me?
So, since I'm back and I'm in no games, let's start one. Who wants to welcome me back from surgery by defeating me? I propose a classic game, PPSC, 24-hour phases, and a stake of about 25 D. Who's in?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
10 Jun 14 UTC
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In before mapleleaf
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Man-shoots-self-in-penis-with-girlfriends-pink-pistol-127317128.html
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President Eden (2750 D)
09 May 14 UTC
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WebDiplomacy Mafia: A How-To Guide
As above, below. I know y'all probably won't be able to resist but please don't post until I say so, so that there aren't any disruptions to those reading it.

inb4 tl;dr
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denis (864 D)
10 Jun 14 UTC
replacement for england live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=143179
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PSMongoose (2384 D)
08 Jun 14 UTC
Let's Discuss Music! - Too Many Hateful Threads!
Amidst the foul name-calling and abuse, let us create a shining beacon of constructive discussion! Post your favorite genres along with your favorite examples of artists and works from that genre.
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Victorious (768 D)
22 May 14 UTC
Biggest Loser Game
For the people who dropped out of the Gunboat Tournament, Who fancies a Best Looser Game? Its for the dropouts who would like to continue a bit. Its a best out of three, WTA, same scoring system and 36h phases.
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krellin (80 DX)
29 May 14 UTC
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Sowden the Patriot
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/exclusive-edward-snowden-tells-brian-williams-u-s-stranded-him-n116096

Yeah....I've changed my view. He's a Patriot. Yes, he committed an illegal act...but sometimes a good man must break the law to do the right thing. Had he worked for Enron, he'd be a hero, a -, and the government would protect him. But when you are blowing the whistle on the government...
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
08 May 14 UTC
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If you didn't know how to wipe your own butt, and everybody refused to help you...
...would you just accept it, being happy and unique, or would you aggressively seek help to change?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Jun 14 UTC
Horse Racing
A few weeks ago, I jumped on the California Chrome bandwagon and discovered that I quite enjoy horse racing. I don't really know anything about races not in the Triple Crown though. Are there good ones I should be watching out for?
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ILN (100 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
She Got Game
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201406041714-0023791

Should sexual harassment of women in online games have real world consequences?
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Fluminator (1500 D)
08 Jun 14 UTC
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Too many topics about Mapleleaf. Let's make another one.
I muted all the threads about mapleleaf and it's like all the drama he's causing vanished. Fascinating how well that worked. (I guess I didn't mute this thread. That would be weird muting your own thread though.)
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
08 Jun 14 UTC
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The poo maple
As I was cleaning my mapleleaf, I discovered it was covered in poo. I got it all over my shorts. When I checked if it did happen, I got it all over my hands. I've washed them 3 times and they still smell like maplepoo.

Please advise.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Jun 14 UTC
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Maplepoo Donations
Since it is quite evident to all that Maplepoo it yet another Canadian that really wishes he weren't, and he has obvious jealousy issue with the US - his desired dwelling place, but that his criminal record (or some such thing) is preventing him from becoming a US citizen, and thus he has taken to rather amusing constant stream of America bashing to try to soothe his saddened soul....let's take up a collection and send old maplepoo the biggest US flag we can find.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
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I'm back.
Hey gang. Having spent the last week in hospital, I'm back. Hopefully that was the last operation I'll need. Going to need to spend the next few weeks healing, but that'll give me plenty of time to join some games. Thanks very much to abgemacht for sitting my account for the last week.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
08 Jun 14 UTC
Quick question about NMR stats
When are they updated? A member's stats says he has never NMR'd but I know this is false - are stats only updated when the game ends?
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Ruisdael (1529 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
An Idea for World Games
Most of my recent games have been World, and I've found that once you get 20+ units, the list of orders can become quite unwieldy. Since you develop different "fronts" involving different sets of units, it'd be really cool to be able to arrange my own units to I could keep all of my South American guerrillas separate from my Mongolian hordes (Inner and regular). Would this be simple/worthwhile to incorporate?
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timdamage (827 D)
08 Jun 14 UTC
Looking for 2 players, game starts in 4 hours
Game = Supersonic2
Password = vengabus

We had two late dropouts, looking for two players to join. 2 days/turn, 70 stake. Anyone welcome!
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
06 Jun 14 UTC
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american school shooting celebration and mockery thread.
S.P.U. baby. Two weeks after Isla Vista.
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Alpha@Omega (183 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
triple crown
Who has bets in? Who is going to win?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
05 Jun 14 UTC
Boring forum
no threads that I particularly want to engage with at the moment. Somebody change this!
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Jun 14 UTC
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So I Just Finished High School...
...I did the last assignment in my basement in pitch darkness with Pentatonix blaring in my face.

What do I do now...
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SYnapse (0 DX)
06 Jun 14 UTC
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D Day Anniversary
70 years ago today Allied forces stormed the beaches of Normandy facing an array of artillery, machine guns, mines and barbed wire. Boys as young as 15 or 16 fought on both sides.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 14 UTC
Another "morally superior fucktard" joins the mute list. Bye bye obitardobitard.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Jun 14 UTC
Well, if I get muted for insisting that fighting for the nation perpetrating the Holocaust was morally wrong and that "I was just following orders" isn't an adequate defense for letting an atrocity occur...then by all means, folks, mute me!

SYnapse (0 DX)
06 Jun 14 UTC
KRELLINS RIGHT GUYS
SYnapse (0 DX)
06 Jun 14 UTC
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A lot of German soldiers probably were unaware of the Holocaust.

If we're talking ideologies, a lot of Allied troops fought for capitalism and empire, rather than for liberation of concentration camps. Bear in mind we didn't know the extent of the camps UNTIL we liberated them. Also many Germans believed that the colonial forces of England and France had oppressed and starved the German people following Versailles. So their cause was rationally a just one from their perspective.

Again, I'm not defending Nazis. I just think it's hypocritical to talk of the glorious allied troops and depicting the German soldiers as mindless evil robots.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 14 UTC
+1 SYn. Obi, you aren't muted but to think that the average soldier knew what the hell was going on in Auschwitz and other camps is total bullshit. We know now but even we didn't know then to what extent and the Nazi's were hardly going to announce it to the world in the German newspapers and on German radio in the day. So the typical German soldier knew nothing. Those that did know were either fighting under duress and had limited knowledge, or were Nazi perpetrators (whom should *not* be respected and have all pretty much met their fate as best we can tell).
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 14 UTC
@Draugnar: I very much agree that not every German soldier was a nazi and most didn't deserve to die.

SYnapse said it's always bad to kill people on a beach though, which, to me at least, implies that he thinks that the Allies shouldn't have done the operation and wait patiently until a bomb kills them.

I'm not saying the Germans on the beaches were nazi's, I'm just making clear that being friendly with the nazi regime isn't a very good idea, even if the alternative involves killing arguably innocent Germans.

I would also argue that I didn't exactly turn into an asshole in this thread, but I suppose it's borderline.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 14 UTC
To be clear, I care about German casualties just as much as about Allied casualties.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Jun 14 UTC
If you guys really think that every German soldier was a Nazi, you need to do a lot more studying on the other side of the world wars, particularly on the massive propaganda machine which expertly hid the atrocities of the dictatorship and publicized its achievements, which (not to downplay the genocide) were actually very, very many.
Octavious (2732 D)
06 Jun 14 UTC
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There was not a single German who didn't know that the Nazis stood for dictatorship, a German master race, and the conquest of other nations. There was not a single German who didn't notice the Jews being treated as second class citizens and vanishing. One could be charitable and imagine they believed they were just being deported or something, but even that is grim enough.

It is the duty of a British soldier to think, to question his orders, and to act according to his moral compass. If a Nazi style government were to somehow take over in the UK then every British soldier who continued to serve would be failing in his duty. If the US marines view following orders as a higher virtue then frankly I will have far less respect for them than I used to.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Jun 14 UTC
Yes, the British are the best, glad you could enlighten us today Octavious. Thanks, so so much.
Wartrain (203 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
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Octavious was there. He interviewed, personally, every single German Soldier and German citizen and thus is certainly qualified for his broad, impossible-to-prove statements.
Octavious (2732 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
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Did none of you study history? Are you under the impression Germans believed that Jews wore the star of David as a fashion statement? The Nazis were able to get away with what they did because most ordinary Germans were anti Semitic. Hell, lots of people all over the world were. But the Germans took it to a new level. The Nazi faithful led the charge, the military supported them, and the people let it happen.
Octavious (2732 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
@ bo

Don't be a twat. That is what British soldiers are taught, but it doesn't make it universally accepted. I dare say is Moseley's black shirts had taken over some would have welcomed it. Some would have carried on regardless, and some would have resigned. Only those who stood down or refused to fight would have been doing their duty. Those who chose to fight under the facist banner, like the German troops, would be worthy of no respect.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Jun 14 UTC
"There was not a single German who didn't notice the Jews being treated as second class citizens and vanishing. One could be charitable and imagine they believed they were just being deported or something, but even that is grim enough."

Excuse me, but the same could be said of the actual treatment of Japanese Americans who were all stuffed in internment camps. The German soldiers had about the same expectation of the Jews conditions as the American did of the Japanese Americans. Oddly enough both were wrong. Japanese were treated worse than was generally known and were as much second class citizens as the Jews before the "cleansing" began. In some ways it was worse as the ghetto was at least buildings and the camps for the Japanese Americans were tent cities.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Jun 14 UTC
Oct - morals aren't absolute. So as members of the US Armed Forces, we were taught the UCMJ and told if an order violated that (which included the rules of engagement) we were to refuse it as an unlawful order and expect a military tribunal to acquit us.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Jun 14 UTC
And Oct, as I doubt you ever served (you don't strike me as the type) you don't know what is actually taught, just what the establishment tells you is taught and the Brits are just as good at propaganda as the US or the Nazis.
Slyguy270 (532 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
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"YOU'RE a nice, white, middle-class Christian American male..."

Hey look everyone! Obi called Krellin nice!
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Jun 14 UTC
Octavious, never, EVER, did I say I "respect" any German soldier of the world wars - either of them. There are just a select few cases where the simple act of being a soldier would garner any respect from me.

Regarding the rest of your bullshit, would you, in Nazi Germany, not fought? Under your theory that everyone knew exactly what was going on, as a German citizen, would you have stood up to Hitler, knowing what he'd do? Would you have subjected yourself to the will of the Nazi government to make a moral stand? If no, then your points here have no merit. If yes, get off your high horse or unicorn or whatever you ride you lying son of a bitch.
dirge (768 D(B))
07 Jun 14 UTC
The only country without a partisan war against the NAZI's was Germany herself.
dirge (768 D(B))
07 Jun 14 UTC
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just say'n
dirge (768 D(B))
07 Jun 14 UTC
regardless of reasons, fighting for germany in wwii was one of the worst causes ever, much like fighting for the confederacy in the US civil war. Regardless of individual reasonings and rationalizations.
dirge (768 D(B))
07 Jun 14 UTC
bo sox . . . so very naive . . . so much to learn.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Jun 14 UTC
Um... Italy... Try again dirge.
dirge (768 D(B))
07 Jun 14 UTC
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lol, you tripp'n draug
Octavious (2732 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
@ Draug

Once again you are wrong. I wasn't a career soldier, but I took the Queen's shilling for a few years in the TA.

@ Bo

"Under your theory that everyone knew exactly what was going on, as a German citizen, would you have stood up to Hitler, knowing what he'd do? Would you have subjected yourself to the will of the Nazi government to make a moral stand?"

Firstly I never claimed everyone knew exactly what was going on. I suggest you read what I posted again. What I said was that every German soldier knew enough of what was happening to be damned sure Hitler was the bad guy. Pro dictatorship: undisputable. Believers in the master race: Undisputable. Hatred of Jews and other minorities, with state sponsored crime against Jews et al happening in clear view: Undisputable.

To answer your question though, if I was in the German army and I knew everything that was going on, OF COURSE I WOULD FIGHT AGAINST THE NAZIS. What kind of a question is that? It's up there with "would you make your Gran a cup of tea or throw the kettle at her face"? No one worthy of belonging to humanity would say any different, and until you asked that ridiculous question I was utterly convinced that virtually everyone on this forum (aside from the hardcore pacifists) would have said the same.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Jun 14 UTC
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I know this is a bit late, but @obi:

"This is the "Edward Snowden is a Patriot" thread all over again..."

How dare you use that as an argument if you refuse to answer my very serious reply on that matter? You can't defend your statement in one thread, so your solution is to pretend your statement is uncontested and you just use your imaginary victory in another thread.

I knew you'd do that. Very predictable.
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
Hear hear, steephie. Obiwan, steephie is right - you haven't answered him in that thread (despite indicating you were going to read his comments and respond) so it's a bit rich of you to make comparisons, here, to your performance in that thread...
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Jun 14 UTC
I should note though that this is indeed like the "S(n)owden the Patriot" thread, because obi is wrong again.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
Post it again steephie, and I'll read and answer it...

I lost track (and if I'm honest, I really think I've said all I can say about the Snowden thing for right now, I've sort of exhausted my case, whether folks agree with me or not...and most don't, but still, I've made my case the best I can, poor as that may be.) :p
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
That's weak, obiwan.

Steephie posted a concise, clearly argued rebuttal of your argument about Snowden, using about half the word count you would have needed, and you have not responded to it. It's easily Steephie's best work on this forum to date. It's easy to find. There's no need for him to post it again - just go and look. It's on page 3 of the Snowden thread. Steephie posted it on 30th May.

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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
07 Jun 14 UTC
S.A.T.
anyone remember when they took theirs? People make it out to be soooo horrible but I took mine today and it seemed easy.
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