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redhouse1938 (586 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
Animal intelligence
I was staring at my screen in a state of total perplexion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foahTqz7On4
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bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
27 Jan 14 UTC
The Grammys
Macklemore, Queen Latifah, et al just restored my faith in humanity.
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
27 Jan 14 UTC
Which dumbass thought we should call everyone who isn't white "People of Colour"?
1. Black isn't a colour.
2. White is all colours.
3. White people change colour when cold, ashamed, hot, sick, dead, and they're born pretty red. Black people stay black.
"People of colour" is probably the most offensive way to call black people, right before "nigger".
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NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
27 Jan 14 UTC
GB ..... that's the place to be, if you can spare fifty !!
I'm not saying people have to join these games, that's not I'm saying here. However people who have joined games very similar to these games get a lot more head than other sad losers ....... just saying, no pressure !!
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
07 Nov 13 UTC
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Chess Tournament
Yonni suggested a tournament over at GameKnot, but it got lost in the clutter. If you're interested, post your GameKnot username here and we'll get something started.
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Vampiero (3525 D)
28 Jan 14 UTC
Quick question
In world diplomacy say pacrussia has an army in Yakutsk n I as china have n army hei n army vlad n fleet soo. I decide to go to vlad with army hei n Yakutsk with army vla supported by fleet soo n PAC Russia goes to vlad with army Yakutsk. Do the pacrussian army n my army hei bounce in vlad or so I get vlad with army hei
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Vaddix (100 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
Help with a strategy game design/balance
Im developing a turn based strategy game for android, free as in free beer AND speach freedom, with GNU license, and Im kinda stuck balancing the things as it's kinda complex. If somebody helps I'll put him in the credits. (Details next message).
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SuperAnt (100 D)
28 Jan 14 UTC
NWO - Global variant
Hey everyone - I'm starting up a run of the New World Order variant. This is a 50+ player global map. the game has special rules that mean it has to be adjudicated by hand. The map can be seen here: http:// imgur . com/Hu9iF0n

Simply cut and paste that link into your browser and remove the spaces.
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Tolstoy (1958 D)
28 Jan 14 UTC
Replacement Needed
California on the FOTAE map - no NMRs, fantastic position. Asking price only 11 D.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=133752
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
26 Jan 14 UTC
To grow facial hair or not to grow facial hair?
The agony of choice...
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bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
27 Jan 14 UTC
Global Warming
Someone needs to put a check on methane from cows. It's blowing everything up.

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/mc-flatulent-cows-start-fire-20140127,0,5360311.story
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rokakoma (19138 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
The 1st top22 active gunboaters' game invitation
more inside
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vexlord (286 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
gunboat challenge
one more needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=134087
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Favio (400 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
Hello all
Its been a while. I'd like to play some quality gunboat games for old times sake. I'd like to be at least 101 point buy in. 24-36 hour phases so everyone has time to get moves in. etc. This is sort of an invitational so I'd like to get some good players to play against.
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krellin (80 D X)
27 Jan 14 UTC
Opera Singer Farts...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27/amy-herbst-farting-opera-singer_n_4674264.html

I should think all the wailing and screeching would cover up the little squishy farts....(ps. I thought the huffington puffington post was the best <ironic> source for a story about a Libtard unable to control foul gaseous releases) (...and yes, I just assume the opera singer is a Libtard...it just works better...)
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nukemod (100 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
Why do people play Gunboat?
I'm not denouncing the game mode here. I was just wondering why people want to play Diplomacy without the negotiation aspect. To me, it seems to defeat the purpose of playing the game. I would be happy if someone could clarify this for me.
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Mapu (362 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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And so it begins.
Chaqa (3204 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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It's more fun.
Chaqa (3204 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
Note: totally subjective.
rokakoma (19138 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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there is negotiation there, your actions speak instead of you. There are tenuous differences between moves which do speak for those who can hear them.

Gunboat is far more strategy, than full press, but it is not pure strategy. The way you abandon places, the decisions you make who to ally with are part of your negotiations.

Surely until you haven't played a gunboat over 3500-7000 pot size it is hard to understand, but those guys do. Recently we have invited a few new players into those games, like anlari, and Draugnar, though Draug's game is still going on. However anlari could share his experiences I guess.

So anyone who underestimates gunboats simply doesn't understand the metacommunication among players. But by time you can learn, moreover enjoy it. I am extremely curious what will Draugnar say after we finish his game.

For me, personally, gunboat is a ballet, a beautiful coreography of silent dancers who tell you a story of how one of them has arisen while others have fallen. A symphony without instruments, though you see the musicians play. And if you listen carefully, suddenly you will be enlightened whats happening there, what they "say" to eachother publicly, as everyone can see it, yet only a few understands.
Chaqa (3204 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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Gunboat is much more about adapting and planning in some ways, and reading into moves. A support hold can be viewed as saying "I'm your buddy" and soforth.
guak (3381 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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Wholeheartedly agree with rokakoma. There is also a time factor. There is a significantly smaller time investment on gunboats than FP.
rollerfiend (0 D X)
24 Jan 14 UTC
I think the 'diplomacy' is just easier. i.e. people are kinda sorta Lazy to persuade thru text
rollerfiend (0 D X)
24 Jan 14 UTC
i don't understand how there is 'more' strategy in gunboat, rather then full press. if anything full press should have 'more' strategy because it has more factors i.e. persuasion, truth vs lie, deceiving, etc.
Chaqa (3204 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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For some of us (like myself) it's harder to play press because we come off as dicks. Myself, I'm very to the point so people get mad.
MichiganMan (5217 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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@roller,

Strategy, to my mind, is too broad -- I think of GB more tactical maneuvering than true diplomacy. Because of the lack of communication players have to be more self-reliant early in the game. As others have said, there IS communication, it's just with your actions versus your words. I think playing GB makes one a better tactician in FP games.

Also, I can have a live GB game going in the background and do other things, at least until I get a lot of units.
rollerfiend (0 D X)
24 Jan 14 UTC
I agree Michie (if i may call u that)
tactics are key, while strategy has a different face in GB
You win diplomacy if people make moves that are advantageous to you, like supporting you, or attacking your enemies. Why would they do that? Because you've made them promises, or because they think it'll be in their benefit too.

If you're a good diplomat and you play full press, you'll spend most of your time persuading other players to do what you want. Most of your diplomacy is spent convincing other players that particular moves are good for them, even though they aren't.

Now play gunboat. You can't talk to your opponents. So if your opponents are really good, they will make the moves that increase their own winning chances. Now what you have to do, is to make sure that their optimal moves benefit you as well. This is where strategy really enters the game. To play top-level gunboat, you have go over your possible moves, predict your opponents optimal reaction to them, and pick the one that gives you the best result. So gunboat is in a way much more about reading your opponents, long-term planning, and general strategy.

TL;DR
In gunboat, you have to figure out everyone's optimal moves and plans yours accordingly. If you've got press, you can convince people to do something stupid.
tendmote (100 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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I play gunboat because I'm not persuasive. On top of that, I'm a terrible strategic thinker, so either way it's a race to the bottom. Little kids can beat me at cards, so that's that on the strategic front. Gunboat at least makes persuasion a non-factor.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
I think if Webdip was available in Syria there probably would not have been a civil war, let's export Webdip to save the world
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
It's much easier to get reasonably good at gunboat than it is to get reasonably good at press diplomacy. The learning curve gets incredibly steep to get better than good and be one of the best and understand the ebb and flow of a game as rokakoma describes.
gunboat is good for learning tactics
also, there is more than diplomacy than you might think - by supporting an enemy unit to hold, you can send a message that you want peace on that border.
Strauss (3384 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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"For me, personally, gunboat is a ballet, a beautiful coreography of silent dancers who tell you a story of how one of them has arisen while others have fallen. A symphony without instruments, though you see the musicians play. And if you listen carefully, suddenly you will be enlightened whats happening there, what they "say" to eachother publicly, as everyone can see it, yet only a few understands."

Agreed. I couldn't have said it any better. Very impressive.

rdrivera2005 (3642 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
Well, I think now it´s explained why rokakoma is one of the best gunboaters I know.

And after this explanation I really want to play a full press game with him :-)

To be honest I play gunboat because the time comitment is a lot lower. I can play at most one or two full press games at same time, but gunboats you can play a bunch without needing much time. And after you play gunboat for a while you start to catch at least a glance of the nuances that roka explained so well.
rokakoma (19138 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
rdrivere, I'd love to play a full press sometime. However, I play terrible recently, 8 defeats out of 8 games (and minus 6k points), as my attention and focus is completely in real life issues. It affects my play, and I'm far from my old me currently.

I graduated yesterday (MSc comp. eng), I had to take care of my 42 years old beetle today, I have a lot of family/work/phd issues, hence it's better for me to stay away from playing.

Hopefully things will work out in a couple of months and I can give 100% again, but until I stay away from playing, because I just ruin others' games as well.

All that said, I'm looking forward to play a FP game once I feel I can bring my "A game" again.
Octavious (1707 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
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Traditional press diplomacy is like a full English breakfast. A cornucopia of ingredients that is as impressive as it is satisfying. Gunboat is a sausage sandwich. Although the full English is infinitely better, there are times when all you have time for is sausage, which isn't that bad on the whole.

Personally I feel that everything that makes the game great is lost in gunboat, but if you happen to like it that's fine. Having your communication strictly limited and in plain sight of all the players does not excite me.
Chaqa (3204 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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I disagree. Full press is like a breakfast buffet. It's a lot of food but too much will make you sick. Gunboat is like pancakes and bacon. It fills you up and you never say no to it.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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"Gunboat is like pancakes and bacon" - not to us Jews, Muslims and vegetarians
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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I can play 20 gunboat games simultaneously and kick ass at over half of them. That's why I play it. And as a bacon-loving Jew, gunboat is definitely analogous to it.
rollerfiend (0 D X)
24 Jan 14 UTC
If you do want to compare the two, full press is much more dramatic and thus more exciting!
Octavious (1707 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
Gunboat is like quiche.
Chaqa (3204 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
Vegetarian?

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4004/4309230175_6b3417d720.jpg
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
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You can do more in press. You can coordinate more things. The subtleties that are brought out in gunboat by restricting the viable options one has to work with are hard to understand if you don't immerse yourself in it and play it competitively. This would only appeal to the people who at heart are true strategists and who truly believe that actions speak louder than words.
rollerfiend (0 D X)
24 Jan 14 UTC
'True strategists'? What's so strategical about making moves that are practically blind....
y2kjbk (5402 D (G))
24 Jan 14 UTC
Because they're not blind at all. The press restriction in gunboat actually lets you know your opponent's position perfectly.

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Ogion (4378 D)
24 Jan 14 UTC
Why are there non anonymous games?
Since meta gaming is strictly prohibited and frowned upon I have to say I see no benefit to having non anonymous games. All it does is allow people to carry grudges or othe stuff from past games rather than playing the game at hand. Similarly, there seems to be no clear reason why usernames can't also change
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NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
23 Jan 14 UTC
Moroccans and rape ......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25855025

It's 2014 FFS ..... when will we stop abusing women !!
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JECE (1322 D)
27 Jan 14 UTC
So I hate to join all the desperate cries for help on the forum, but . . .
Does anybody here know where I could find efficient study aids for learning about general vector spaces (subspaces, basis, matrix transformations, etc.), eigenvalues & eigenvectors and general linear transformations? Using the textbook is very slow and I only have a few days.
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Thucydides (869 D (B))
08 Jan 14 UTC
"Did the resurrection of Jesus actually take place?" The Great Debate #3
"Did the resurrection of Jesus actually take place?" Putin33 representing atheism, and dipplayer2004 representing Christian theism. Full debate transcript inside!
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krellin (80 D X)
21 Jan 14 UTC
WikiLeaks Vindicates Bush
http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2010/12/09/the_wikileaks_vindication_of_george_w_bush

Awww....looks like Bush DID NOT lie...WMD's in Iraq after all. How about that...the mainstream media lied to us. <shock..awe...>
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Jan 14 UTC
Oh Rand Paul...You Make Me Laugh...
http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-bill-clinton-war-on-women-175239980.html That was 15 YEARS AGO. Whether or not there's a "War on Women" today (discrimination? Yes. A war? Frankly, after the "War on Drugs," and "War on Christmas," I'm pretty damn suspicious of "War on __" statements) or not...it's the GOP's PR faux paus NOW that lead to Mitt Romney losing that electorate by 11%...CLINTON *WAS* WRONG...but that doesn't mean your party's any better NOW.
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Balrog (219 D)
26 Jan 14 UTC
Anonymity
How do I make myself anonymous in a game?
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bo_sox48 (4834 D Mod (G))
26 Jan 14 UTC
Firefighters Meet Snoop
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-24/firemen-called-to-smoking-snoop-doggs-room/5217886?section=vic

"smoke from an unidentifiable source"......
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tendmote (100 D (B))
26 Jan 14 UTC
Is Communism a form of religious belief?
Is Communism a form of religious belief, where instead of seeing God’s hand at work in all things, one sees the class struggle? When historical events are re-interpreted from a Communist viewpoint in a discussion with non-Communists, is the effect the same as when believers re-interpret historical events as divine intervention, in a discussion with atheists?
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Draugnar (0 D X)
10 Jan 14 UTC
Assholes of the world unite!
Let's get another asshole game going, this time on the world map!

FP, WTA, 50 D, World Map, non-anon, must not be a thin-skinned fucktard.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Jan 14 UTC
On homeless-ness
http://www.nationofchange.org/utah-ending-homelessness-giving-people-homes-1390056183
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
24 Jan 14 UTC
Making a comeback
I have actually played any diplomacy in quiet a while.

So for my comeback special, i'd like to invite all interested parties!
gameID=134328 (wta, non-anon, full-press, classic)
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tendmote (100 D (B))
25 Jan 14 UTC
BEEF GAME Needs one more!
I'm setting up the best Beef Game ever gameID=134413: tendmote vs. strauss, michiganman, lando calrissian, putin33, krellin, and one special guest
If you want to be the final player just let me know and get me or one of the other players to give you the password, "mutethemods"
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Al Swearengen (0 D X)
18 Jan 14 UTC
Live Full Press
Details in a moment

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=133895
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