Re: Ghost Rating Challenge 09/23
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:05 am
Still looking for a replacement, only a few hours left.
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Still looking for a replacement, only a few hours left.
This was a gambit that didn't quite work. I was getting the sense that RT was starting to form, since almost all Russia and Turkey mostly asked for was for me to move to Tyrolia or Trieste. I really wanted to hobble Turkey, so I _thought_ I got Russia to agree with a plan to take Turkey down -1 or -2 and then attack Austria. I wasn't totally sure if I would work with A or R after (leaning R though), I just wanted to reduce the Turkish threat.A1901: Well, nothing unusual there. Italy's move to Tuscany was interesting.
cormorant wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:39 pmRussia decided to work with Turkey, and impressively deceived me and Austria, then stab Austria AND Germany early on and never pay a price. He successfully bluffed that his failure to take Rumania was a huge unplanned mistake, but in retrospect I don't think it was.
I don't see how anything short of Russia having Jedi mind powers would lead me to believe that this was a mistake:
I'd suggest you read England's proposition for the 7wd in the global chat (if you haven't).BrianBaru wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:21 pmThis is so disappointing. I played in the GR2 game. We successfully played a key Lepanto. I thought it would be an interesting game. But one player dropped out, so a six way draw. The GR1 game ends in a seven way draw.
It seems most players here seldom go for the win. They miss half the game.
Well, I'd say you should only read it if you really set some time aside to. He's a bit too verbose sometimes, and clearly comes from the James Joyce school of brevity.DougJoe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:47 pmI'd suggest you read England's proposition for the 7wd in the global chat (if you haven't).BrianBaru wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:21 pmThis is so disappointing. I played in the GR2 game. We successfully played a key Lepanto. I thought it would be an interesting game. But one player dropped out, so a six way draw. The GR1 game ends in a seven way draw.
It seems most players here seldom go for the win. They miss half the game.
Eh, nothing I did really worked out, so I'm not sure either of these apply to me in this game! But better players than I have gotten blasted as Austria, too, so it's not the end of the world.
Sorry I didn't hold up my end of things, I think I figured at the time that's what you were hoping for... when that fleet showed up in StP, even on the south coast, where it has nowhere to go but Scandy, I thought for sure you were going to go for Sweden in S03 (but France probably wouldn't have liked losing Kie.)Yigg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:11 amEngland/Yigg’s Perspective on game: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=733365
I was banking on him holding up the Jugg at least a few more years. This means Russia now has to build in either St.P or Sev, which would pressure either of Russia’s allies. I lobby hard to not see a build in St.P, but eventually concede to a St.P SC fleet build. I don’t like it, but it’s not unmanageable.
...a plan for which the Austrian was grateful. I knew I was being used to slow Russia down, but I was okay with that. I had done some legwork and had a pretty good feel that G/R were going to commit 100% to Munich so I was feeling pretty good that it would work. I didn't tell *anyone* about the fake stab - someone mentioned "France stabbing England" and I didn't say a word.Yigg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:11 amThis is the turn where I feel like I got outplayed, and it bugs the shit out of me. Thankfully I wasn't 100% asleep at the wheel. I help broker France supporting Austria into Vienna, which REALLY saved the day against the Russia stab, as he would have gone up 2 builds instead of 1. The tradeoff of this plan means that we know we can’t guarantee France back into Munich. So I tell France to take Belgium from me so that he can stay even. The great part about this is that I will look stabbed, and legitimately this time. I order support moves to Munich for France (which I know he won’t take). So when you look at the orders, it totally looks like a French stab, which 100% comes in handy next turn.
Yeah, Germany's request came in almost instantly when the turn started and Russia followed up soon after. I really had no beef with you or France, but was just trying to survive. I think I even suggested to France that Kie S Mun-Ber might not be a bad idea - but it was too late in the turn for either of you to really react. I really did struggle with telling you and France about what was going on. On one hand, I wanted to because in the long run Russia would suffer and I emotionally favored EF over RT. On the other hand, I didn't want to because Germany would suffer first (be eliminated!) and I didn't have any beef at all with him. And, as I told France, I'd expect to follow Germany into oblivion the next year. It was all black comedy at this point.
Yeah, it's too bad we didn't get the opportunity to work together directly! I know you're just on the other side of the lake but if you're ever in the mitten, give me a shout (and that goes for everyone else, too - this is the kind of game that deserved a post-game beverage or two.)
Probably. France had offered to support me from Mun to Ber and I doubt I would have done that (the plan for the next turn was two supports on Mun, and I assume Russia would move other units closer as well to cover or try to snipe it). But if you had come over the top on Russia and spun things as a "let's get Russia, maybe we can get you into Warsaw or something", I honestly might have been swayed.Yigg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:11 am
Had the game gone on, I probably would have come to kill Russia in the north, but not without considerable regret. I didn’t see a way to crack the center, though. Not without getting Austria on my side to shake up the calculus, but by that point he would have probably sided with a AGR coalition to brick it up.
I could not agree more, Yonni! Russia was very good, and honestly it was a solid testament to his game. I've always struggled playing as Russia, and he taught me a lot on how to play a better game of it. :) Thanks, Josef!
Many such cases. I had great fun with this game, so hopefully I'll get the opportunity to ally myself with you all in the future!Not seeing what an alliance with IRidePigs would be like is a legit regret I had in this game.