M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[BunnyGo]

Some posts of Chaqa's since dying that I think give some intel:

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"The mafia team say they will trade the identity of their team if you guys vote no-kill."

1) At first glance this post was stupid and utterly forgettable. But then they DID vote no-kill.

You are describing a daytime no-kill and a night-time no-kill by the Mafia as though they are the same thing.

They are not the same thing at all.

They are not the same thing, but why was he thinking of it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Just because some code is uniquely defined, doesn't mean that using the same notation for different concepts isn't confusing.

@Damo: BunnyGo has a point. I had to re-read your post slowly, several times, to understand it. Your notation might make it easier for you to write, but it makes it harder for us to read.

[damo666]

Just because some code is uniquely defined, doesn't mean that using the same notation for different concepts isn't confusing.

2 letter all caps should be reserved EITHER for names or roles.

They are ( or action) FH FV PV RB

Any other combo in a team means both or all (eg BM means Bunny and Macca).
In recruits its 'or', eg KDR would mean kgray OR darg OR rdr.

Ok it's a tad sloppy but I still think it's comprehensible.

And what's more to the point I couldn't be arsed repeatedly typing stuff out in full.

The tldr is .... vote darg

[Jamiet99uk]

And what's more to the point I couldn't be arsed repeatedly typing stuff out in full.

It's not our fault if you're too lazy to make sure you're understood.

[damo666]

Even in your example with underlines is RB:

RoleBlock

or

Rdrivera + Bunny?

obvious from context

[BunnyGo]

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The tldr is .... vote darg

Yes, and rdr seems to make the same argument as you. It's a reasonable argument. I think the three of us agree that darg, kgray, macca are all reasonable.

[damo666]

And what's more to the point I couldn't be arsed repeatedly typing stuff out in full.

It's not our fault if you're too lazy to make sure you're understood.

OK already

[damo666]

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The tldr is .... vote darg

Yes, and rdr seems to make the same argument as you. It's a reasonable argument. I think the three of us agree that darg, kgray, macca are all reasonable.

hurrah!

[dargorygel]

Damo's analysis would be 'useful' if he were scum or town.

But in the end, I have information that town does not. I am town. I've used my power in ways scum would not. You've seen that.

Don't eliminate the human from the mathematical.

I scumread rdrivera most of the game, but I do not see him skipping a chance to win the game here at the end.

Bunny, lately I have been townreading, and he also does not jump on the bandwagon as scum would.

Kgray hasn't voted yet (obv)

##VOTE MACCA

see you in a few hours.
(Had fun at the birthday celebration...)

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo's analysis would be 'useful' if he were scum or town.

But in the end, I have information that town does not. I am town. I've used my power in ways scum would not. You've seen that.

Don't eliminate the human from the mathematical.

I scumread rdrivera most of the game, but I do not see him skipping a chance to win the game here at the end.

Bunny, lately I have been townreading, and he also does not jump on the bandwagon as scum would.

Kgray hasn't voted yet (obv)

##VOTE MACCA

see you in a few hours.
(Had fun at the birthday celebration...)

Who is the scumteam along with Macca, if you are town?

Are you suggesting Macca / Damo / Kgray?

[dargorygel]

Damo's analysis would be 'useful' if he were scum or town.

But in the end, I have information that town does not. I am town. I've used my power in ways scum would not. You've seen that.

Don't eliminate the human from the mathematical.

I scumread rdrivera most of the game, but I do not see him skipping a chance to win the game here at the end.

Bunny, lately I have been townreading, and he also does not jump on the bandwagon as scum would.

Kgray hasn't voted yet (obv)

##VOTE MACCA

see you in a few hours.
(Had fun at the birthday celebration...)

Who is the scumteam along with Macca, if you are town?

Are you suggesting Macca / Damo / Kgray?

It would have been rdr till this last vote. But yes, damo. And kgray or you. Leaning kgray because of the eod, and her silence.

I am concerned that no one is screaming. Particularly our heavy hitters still in the game.

[kgray]

Then, we should remove anyone with the capacity to distribute items of fruit.

My careful analysis of the progress in this game leads me to conclude that Dargorygel is the most dangerous greengrocer in the entire county.

##VOTE DARGORYGEL

What's the case for darg besides the fact that he's FV? And while you're at it, why is damo your top townread?

Multiple questions there.

First of all, the fact he's fruit vendor is important. It's a likely scum choice if you and I are both town. This was discussed earlier and I still agree with it.

Second of all, as I mentioned last night, Chaqa was opposed to the Dargorygel wagon on D2 and refused to join it, when Darg was the counter-wagon to Hellenic Riot. You were on that Darg wagon yourself, so you may remember those events.

Third of all, a lot of his statements and behaviour have seemed very weird and sketchy to me. There are lots of little things making that up. For example on D2 he accused me of not pushing people for non-participants, at a time when I was voting HR who was the lowest poster in the game at that point, and after I had been yelling at the D1 non-voters (which included HR, but never mind). Then he threw shade on me for not being present at a time when it was about 4am in the UK. He also voted me as an "info" flip at a time when he claimed to have a strong scumread on Teacon, who was a viable wagon.

Damo and Rdrivera are my joint top townreads right now, as I said last night. As the game has gone on, Damo has started to feel more like town Damo, doing Damo things. It's PoE because I scumread Dargo and Bunny, I'm leaning scum on Macca, I'm leaning scum on you, and after that me, Rdrivera, and Damo are all that's left.

That's true, Chaqa did avoid the darg wagon. At the time I thought it was just because HR was a more high-profile target but maybe there was more to it. And I agree, I disliked his "info" vote.

Yesterday you said you thought damo was scum because he didn't care about the game, what changed? Is Rivera being Chaqa's counterwagon the reason you're townreading him, or is there more?

[kgray]

Well, we are still on milo (not consideringthe Doc save, that with a sure RH isn't something we can count), so a policy vote on Dargo is really weird Jamiet.

Do you think either Chaqa or Dargo are likely recruit candidates? Because this is the onlyv way I see for scum to have both TS and FV.

I think the recruit is either Kgray or Durga/Bunny. The no kill makes me less confident Kgray is scum.

Why don't you think scum would pick roles that would give them more opportunities to roleblock/rolecop? Especially with the strong-arm abilities of FV.

[kgray]

I now think scum chose one healer? To keep it out of townie hands.

Also, if my role is scum held, why wasn't it used? I suspect they missed the strongman application.

Why would scum choose a healer over a UB or a tracker? Those roles are both much more potentially beneficial to scum if they have them, and dangerous to scum if town has them.

The only way it makes any sense for Jamie or I to be scum is if you think one of us was recruited.

I think the chances are hight that you're scum with damo, and you didn't really give him fruit. You targeted him twice, so if he's your scumbuddy you could have actually used your strongman powers on those kills instead of visiting him.

[Fluminator]

##vote kgray

[Fluminator]

##vote kgray

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##vote kgray

[Fluminator]

##vote kgray

[Fluminator]

##vote dargorygel

[kgray]

At some point close to EOD Chaqa, Kgray, Jamiet and Dargo all voted for me. Would the scum team be so obvious?

Anyway, reading EOD again, get me back to Kgray.

But then why the no kill? There is a lot of WIFOM involved.

Why does the EOD lead you back to me? How is what I did more suspect than what darg or Jamie did? I get that it looks bad that I fought the Chaqa wagon. And if you're town, then that's especially bad. But I made my concerns clear the entire phase that I felt something was off. It's now pretty clear to me that what was "off" is that darg or Jamie is scum, but at the time they were my two strongest townreads and scum!Chaqa didn't fit in with those reads.