M53: Mafia 1 Redux

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2661 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:35 am

flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:35 pm
foodcoats wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:46 pm
Bunny did not do a self-vote. Is that the main reason you think Bunny is scum? Since you are mixing up Bunny and Kakarroto, should you be voting for Kakarroto instead?

If the vote analysis leads you to believe that either myself or Kalel is scum, or Bunny or Kalel is scum, why would you not vote for Kalel, they being the most statistically likely given all scenarios?
BunnyGo did do a self-vote right at the end. This is what I am questioning:
BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:00 pm
Kitsune wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:59 pm
##vote Damo
##VOTE BUNNY
Yes, Kak did also self-vote but in the end he ended on Damo. Which in your opinion is more scummy? I would say the self-vote at the end. I am not seeing the town motivation in it.

Kalel may be scum...but I want to be careful that I don't go into tunneling mode. My original decision for voting Kalel on previous days was at least partially wrong (my fault for not really paying attention).
It was prepped to prevent a tie vote from Brain and Kak trying to screw around. As pointed out, I should have had something else prepped; I was dodging kids and dinner on my phone. Sue me (but don't lynch me, we'll lose).

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2662 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:36 am

Foxcastle wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:08 pm
I am very interested in Day 3, because it was a shitshow and it was hard to see what was going on, and it lasted longer than people expected.

Let's say it starts with 1:15 to go, when Bob moves his vote from Kalel to Damo, moving Damo into the lead with 4 votes to Kalel's 3 and Flash's 2.

At 0:36 out, Kak moves to Damo. (Damo 5, Kalel 3, Flash 2)

Brain moves off Damo to onto Kak (Damo 4, Kalel 3, Flash 2, Kak 2)

Kak moves off Damo to self vote (Damo 3, Kalel 3, Kak 3, Flash 2). This seems like an extreme reaction. There's 34 minutes to go, Brain didn't even put him in the lead. So why do this? I asked, and he replied, "Because I think I'm a dead man walking anyway, this way I'm forcing other people to give more information to help town in the last bit." I think the more likely answer is that he was positioning himself for a last-minute save--which he then attempted at 0:01 minute to go. (This is a trick I learned from Bozo: if you're on your own wagon, when you jump off, the difference isn't just one vote, it's two, so you have a better chance of self-saving.) I don't find that inherently scummy (I've done it as town), but it strikes me as belying fear that you've been caught (especially by a town semi-clear), which combined with trying to misdirect about the purpose is scummy.

BunnyGo moves from Flash to Kak.

Brainbomb moves from Kak to BunnyGo. It's a threeway tie between Kalel, kak, and Damo at this point, each at 3 points.

I move off Flash (his wagon effectively died when BunnyGo moved off), to Damo, putting him in the lead 4 to 3 for Kalel and kak.

Brainbomb goes to Kalel, creating another 4-4 tie between Damo and Kal.

BunnyGo breaks the tie in Kalel's favor.

Kak moves from self-voting to Damo to create another 5-5 tie between Damo and Kalel. There is no more risk to his wagon at this point. Why create a tie? Unless maybe you're trying to save someone.

Kitsune moves from Kak to Damo, making it Damo 6 versus Kalel 5. That's the last vote before the bot cuts off it's count.

BunnyGo then votes himself, in direct response to Kit's vote (he quotes it). So it's then Damo 6 to Kalel 4. Why do this instead of voting for Damo? Unless you're hoping for more chaos and the remaining potential of a tie (especially in a crosspost). This actually does not look as bad as I thought in the moment when there was trouble tracking votes, because it does actually put Damo ahead. But it doesn't look as good as Damo vote would have. Or any vote really. Maybe he was hoping someone would jump off the Damo wagon (food, Bob, Fox, Kak, Kit) onto Kalel to cause a tie.

Then Brainbomb unvotes. He had been on Kalel, so that made it Damo 6 to Kalel 3.

Then Kalel votes Kakarroto, which seems pointless. But he had been on Damo, so it became Damo 5, Kalel 3.

Then EOD is called. Sorry if that is tedious, but I think a record is good, especially for the portions after the bot stops recording.

I think Kak looks worst here.
This above summarizes everything I was trying to say, but even better. Fox remains my most towny read.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2663 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:38 am

flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:12 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:18 pm
Since we're at MiLo, we need to make sure we lynch scum today and tomorrow, hold the lynch the day after, and then lynch the last scum on the final day (it's a real strategy, they did it in M46 or something). So we need to make sure that scum can't force a mislynch or else they win.
flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:08 am
Since it is MiLo, any reason why we couldn't no lynch today?
Interesting contrasts in these views...
I didn't notice Bob's post. I don't know why you would wait. Whether we no lynch or not, all townies will need to vote together to lynch scum three days in a row. Having fewer options now is better than later.
I suppose one reason could be so that there is a higher proportion of scum...I guess. I don't like it, but can't figure out why yet.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2664 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:39 am

flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:48 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:08 pm
BunnyGo then votes himself, in direct response to Kit's vote (he quotes it). So it's then Damo 6 to Kalel 4. Why do this instead of voting for Damo? Unless you're hoping for more chaos and the remaining potential of a tie (especially in a crosspost). This actually does not look as bad as I thought in the moment when there was trouble tracking votes, because it does actually put Damo ahead. But it doesn't look as good as Damo vote would have. Or any vote really. Maybe he was hoping someone would jump off the Damo wagon (food, Bob, Fox, Kak, Kit) onto Kalel to cause a tie.
If Bunny isn't scum it would have been helpful to give an explanation of what he was trying to do here. He was quite active last night and the only thing he said was:
BunnyGo wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:23 am
I don’t think people are appreciating my EOD play.
Then he switches to talking about Kalel.
I explained at least twice at this point, as does Fox. I also expect you to think a little.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2665 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:41 am

foodcoats wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:18 pm
flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:35 pm
foodcoats wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:46 pm
Bunny did not do a self-vote. Is that the main reason you think Bunny is scum? Since you are mixing up Bunny and Kakarroto, should you be voting for Kakarroto instead?

If the vote analysis leads you to believe that either myself or Kalel is scum, or Bunny or Kalel is scum, why would you not vote for Kalel, they being the most statistically likely given all scenarios?
BunnyGo did do a self-vote right at the end. This is what I am questioning:
BunnyGo wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:00 pm


##VOTE BUNNY
Yes, Kak did also self-vote but in the end he ended on Damo. Which in your opinion is more scummy? I would say the self-vote at the end. I am not seeing the town motivation in it.

Kalel may be scum...but I want to be careful that I don't go into tunneling mode. My original decision for voting Kalel on previous days was at least partially wrong (my fault for not really paying attention).
I missed that, I was paying too much attention to what was logged in the bot. That is very bizarre... almost like Bunny didn't care or was having a laugh at us.

It's a game, Bunny is always laughing. I just hope the rest of the town figures out what's going on.

I like flash today. flash is either deepscum who buzzed in late and is now trying hard to direct the mislynch, or was just lurking town who is now stepping up finally. So flash lynch today is bad.

Kakarroto would also have to be deepscum in my mind. There's been some weird red flags but overall I think they have played a townie game. Also bad choice.

Bunny is very likely scum but I'd like to have a good second wagon to discuss, and as mentioned I don't like Kak. Bob is looking very bad for doing all of nothing today. If scum!Bob got through the previous days' scrutiny, he is probably trying to lay low now.

That does potentially sound like how "noob" Bob would play scum.
##VOTE BobMcBob

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2666 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:42 am

Foxcastle wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:51 pm
I still think it's likely that Flash is scum who's coasted through the game, and if he's waking up now, it's because they're on the cusp of winning.

##VOTE FLASH for now, no-lynch is still possibly a good idea, and Kakarroto needs another look after EOD.
Hmm...also an interesting idea. ##Unvote.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2667 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:43 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:16 pm
We need to lynch well today. I'm not going to be on for EoD, so I'm going to sit on Bunny. Watch out for people jumping wagons at the last minute trying to force a mislynch and counteract them if possible. We can't afford to go wrong today.
This is the scummiest post yet. In response to me directly calling you out for not thinking and investigating, you post this trash?

##VOTE BOB

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2668 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:44 am

foodcoats wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:33 pm
flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:24 pm
I am surprised how quiet this is. Has everyone given up?
I'm surprised Bunny is not in here foaming at the mouth about being lead wagon. Maybe he's letting the bus through to build stock for D5.
Why should I foam? I see Fox hunting. I see Bob being lazy. I even see you and flash here for once.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2669 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:47 am

Kakarroto wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:18 am
Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 pm
Foodcaots, Kalel, Flash, and Kitsune are the 4 people who are even more useless than I am right now.

[...]
is this why those are still alive? what do you all think about that?
Foxcastle wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:51 pm
flash2015 wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:23 pm
Should we be having a discussion about who the vigilante should NK tonight (if any)?
Kalel or Flash would be most helpful to my spreadsheet. Or Rdr, Kakarroto, or bozo are second choices. (These are not scumreads.)
is this a map for people not being on a scum team with fox?
Again, why would Fox sit on EMC D1 just on policy until the end?

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2670 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:54 am

Hmm...Bob also jumped the EMC wagon. Would a noob scum have the guts to bus him on D1?

Let's try these teams:

1) Kalel (last remaining on Bob wagon...if Bob is town, then a scum MUST have been pushing). In fact, so much so that I refuse to vote for any wagon that isn't Bob or Kalel. Screw you guys for ignoring Damo and me about this ALL F&#KING GAME!
2) Flash. Also on a counter wagon D1.
3) Kak/Food.

I really want to see some discussion about Bob vs. Kalel.

If you really seriously think both are town, explain the following:

WHY WERE THERE 4 TOWN VOTING FOR BOB DAY 1 AND A SCUM GOT LYNCHED!?

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2671 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:55 am

Switching to Kalel...If Bob were scum he'd have jumped from EMC to me and found a reason...

##VOTE KALEL.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2672 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:56 am

Hmm...Discuss the scum team of the 3 K's (who all failed to save EMC D1 via oversleeping, missing EOD, or trying on Bob...)

Kalel, Kak, Kitsune

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2673 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:57 am

Goddamn it's quiet.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2674 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:59 am

@BOB: Pull your head out of your a$$ and actually try to think. You're really missing the point of the game. I honestly have trouble believing that you're this incompetent. Like, you should be insulted that I'm voting Kalel instead of you, it's not a complement that I think you can actually be town and play like this.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2675 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:03 am

@Bob, I guess here's why your idea of waiting for scum to get the ranks smaller is bad: if there's just 1 scum left, then OK the two town just need to find each other. But with 3 scum left, it means ALL 4 REMAINING TOWN HAVE TO AGREE!! MULTIPLE TIMES! WITH SCUM SACRIFICING EACH OTHER TO HIDE!

We need to have a buffer of one moron town not getting on board with the rest. If even 1 town is wrong at 4-3, we lose.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2676 Post by BunnyGo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:36 am

And I just realized I'll be out tomorrow night at EOD, and with my kids and no wife...so likely *very* difficult to be paying attention.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2677 Post by flash2015 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:55 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:54 am
Hmm...Bob also jumped the EMC wagon. Would a noob scum have the guts to bus him on D1?

Let's try these teams:

1) Kalel (last remaining on Bob wagon...if Bob is town, then a scum MUST have been pushing). In fact, so much so that I refuse to vote for any wagon that isn't Bob or Kalel. Screw you guys for ignoring Damo and me about this ALL F&#KING GAME!
2) Flash. Also on a counter wagon D1.
3) Kak/Food.

I really want to see some discussion about Bob vs. Kalel.

If you really seriously think both are town, explain the following:

WHY WERE THERE 4 TOWN VOTING FOR BOB DAY 1 AND A SCUM GOT LYNCHED!?
I agree that it would be a bold move by noob scum to bus emc D1. It probably though would be less bold if potentially another scum was already on the wagon, or perhaps this other scum even started the wagon. I guess I am saying if Bob is scum Fox may be as well.

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2678 Post by flash2015 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:57 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:03 am
@Bob, I guess here's why your idea of waiting for scum to get the ranks smaller is bad: if there's just 1 scum left, then OK the two town just need to find each other. But with 3 scum left, it means ALL 4 REMAINING TOWN HAVE TO AGREE!! MULTIPLE TIMES! WITH SCUM SACRIFICING EACH OTHER TO HIDE!

We need to have a buffer of one moron town not getting on board with the rest. If even 1 town is wrong at 4-3, we lose.
If even 1 town is wrong at 5-3, we still lose (unless moron townie is off on a vanity wagon).

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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2679 Post by flash2015 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:57 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:36 am
And I just realized I'll be out tomorrow night at EOD, and with my kids and no wife...so likely *very* difficult to be paying attention.
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Re: M53: Mafia 1 Redux

#2680 Post by flash2015 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:01 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:56 am
Hmm...Discuss the scum team of the 3 K's (who all failed to save EMC D1 via oversleeping, missing EOD, or trying on Bob...)

Kalel, Kak, Kitsune
Why not Fox, Bob and Kalel?

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