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I think Chaqa also played an excellent game and should be recognized for that. Damo definitely as well.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 pm

I still don't understand why worcej claimed PR.

What were the Reaver press restrictions?

I'm pretty sure at least one had to do with usernames, and one with capital letters, but I could never quite parse them out.

EZ - if we all would’ve dogpiled into the PR group then the massclaim would have been very risky. My goal was to hope others piled into this group to make you not want to do a massclaim. Would you all have said your PRs if all 5 scum were in that group? Probably not.

As I have said, and this is no strike at Kit, but this goes down as my least enjoyable game to date because the massclaim completely fucked M1 and we had no way to really counter it. I knew we would lose and it was really just a matter of time.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 pm

goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:55 pm

Gg all.

Can we please make a rule to prohibit mass claiming? It kinda ruined the game for the non-town players. I only claimed PR to try and extend the game a bit by getting a mislynch, because I figured all lynches and vig shots would be in the VT pool, which, knowing towns stupidity, means I would be mislynched. The extra vig shots especially scared the crap out of me.

I would prefer not to prohibit mass claims. If town thinks that's a good idea, or if scum can convince them it is, they should be allowed to, even if it's an objectively bad move.

I think the way to address this is to have a more implicit/official bias against setups where massclaims make sense. The (possibly outdated) GM guide says to avoid setups with more than 4 PRs, so maybe we just disallow games with more than 4 town PRs.

I don’t think a PR limit is needed as long as there is a built in system to prevent a team from being easily eliminated by the claim.

I said it already for this game, but if the twins were not a PR and were just a VT, that would’ve made the balance better for scum to hide.

From Mafia QT:
"Hey team... rough day. Luckily Xorx isn't that great of a Captain. When I open my mouth I draw scum points, so I'm going to probably lay low until I actually have a case to post."

Hey, hey, hey, wait a minute.

If I'm not mistaken I decided every single one of the town lynches, and that worked out pretty well. I also steered damo into reading Chaqa instead of Fox, which sealed the autowin. So I think I was an ok captain.

Granted I couldn't stop peterlund from shooting Tom, and I couldn't stop ND from blurting out that he was backup Companion, but at least I tried...

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:25 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 pm

I still don't understand why worcej claimed PR.

What were the Reaver press restrictions?

I'm pretty sure at least one had to do with usernames, and one with capital letters, but I could never quite parse them out.

EZ - if we all would’ve dogpiled into the PR group then the massclaim would have been very risky. My goal was to hope others piled into this group to make you not want to do a massclaim. Would you all have said your PRs if all 5 scum were in that group? Probably not.

Yes we would have! Every scum in the PR group would have been the ideal situation for town. Then all the VTs would be clear, and the PR cc's are usually easy to sort, and at worst cost one mislynch.

A PR limit is easy, though. If we're going to have a rule—and I think it's a good idea, especially now that we have a council who can help enforce it—it should be easy and simple.

And I'm fine with exceptions. You want 6 PRs, but you also have a multi-use janitor, or roles don't get revealed on death, or scum have a list of fake claims? Get approved, and that can be fun, but have the limit in place as a marker.

And for those who don't know, xorxes and damo were my real bounties.

And scum never killed either of them, which....I gotta say, confused the crap out of me. N1 I was sure I'd get one of them

Limiting PRs isn’t the answer. Balanced setups and better oversight on setup review is.

Perhaps we need another council member who is less busy *cough*

xorxes wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:34 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:25 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 pm

I still don't understand why worcej claimed PR.

What were the Reaver press restrictions?

I'm pretty sure at least one had to do with usernames, and one with capital letters, but I could never quite parse them out.

EZ - if we all would’ve dogpiled into the PR group then the massclaim would have been very risky. My goal was to hope others piled into this group to make you not want to do a massclaim. Would you all have said your PRs if all 5 scum were in that group? Probably not.

Yes we would have! Every scum in the PR group would have been the ideal situation for town. Then all the VTs would be clear, and the PR cc's are usually easy to sort, and at worst cost one mislynch.

I think that would’ve been a worse situation. 5 VTs as your only clears would have made this more difficult overall.

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:52 pm

xorxes wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:34 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:25 pm

EZ - if we all would’ve dogpiled into the PR group then the massclaim would have been very risky. My goal was to hope others piled into this group to make you not want to do a massclaim. Would you all have said your PRs if all 5 scum were in that group? Probably not.

Yes we would have! Every scum in the PR group would have been the ideal situation for town. Then all the VTs would be clear, and the PR cc's are usually easy to sort, and at worst cost one mislynch.

I think that would’ve been a worse situation. 5 VTs as your only clears would have made this more difficult overall.

They would not be the only clears. Only five scum, so at least five PRs would also be immediately clear. Also many of the PRs can easily prove themselves, and winning a cc is very hard (it only works when you are cc'ing Super/ItsHosuke). The town PRs had lots of ways to sort the real PR claims from the fake ones. Claiming PR as scum is a suicide mission that can only buy you a little time. I think it was especially bad for BH this game, because their main objective was lasting for as long as possible, which is the opposite of what claiming PR does.

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 pm

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

Mafia killing bozo also helped us a lot by reducing the VT pool.

From Foxcastle in Mafia QT:
"Should I claim I was RB'd right after Day starts, before you say anything? Or until you claim it and then acknowledge it?"

Ha! Almost caught by the unorthodox roleblock rules! If you had claimed, we would have caught the two of you right there. And worcej was also immediately caught by not knowing the unusual mechanics rule, so the whole M1 team could easily have been outed.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 pm

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

Mafia killing bozo also helped us a lot by reducing the VT pool.

I do not know why I was killed when I was. The real companion still had to be eliminated even if I was the backup, I did not see a reason to target the backup first and risk hitting a VT.

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 pm

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

My watching was more a 'watching in being,' a threat, than actually a success. I saw one activity. And didn't reveal it very well. But damo's death would have been bad for town.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:25 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 pm

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

My watching was more a 'watching in being,' a threat, than actually a success. I saw one activity. And didn't reveal it very well. But damo's death would have been bad for town.

You saw Jamiet visit me N1 and Tom visit you N3, both of which gave relevant info. Also not seeing anyone visit me N2 was useful. Clearing people is as important or sometimes more important than finding scum.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 pm

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

Mafia killing bozo also helped us a lot by reducing the VT pool.

You're welcome, town. And what did I get for it? A noose.

Also, darg you single-handedly prevented a mislynch of Jamiet. That's pretty important. I'm very confident I would've gotten him lynched in a head-to-head without your info.

goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:49 pm

xorxes wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 pm

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

Mafia killing bozo also helped us a lot by reducing the VT pool.

You're welcome, town. And what did I get for it? A noose.

There's no way you could have won with town after Kalel died though, so we did well in lynching you.

goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:51 pm

Also, darg you single-handedly prevented a mislynch of Jamiet. That's pretty important. I'm very confident I would've gotten him lynched in a head-to-head without your info.

Yeah, that drunk!Jamiet meltdown was really scummy. I was scumreading you along with him as well though, so we probably would have waited until one of you made a save to prove yourselves.