Re: Mini Mafia 1008 - Triple Agent
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:24 pm
##GM Note
Yes, all operations are processed as soon as one of the GMs see it.
Yes, all operations are processed as soon as one of the GMs see it.
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You were not concerned that failing to enter a choice would make it look like you are mafia taking a chance on the random draw instead of confessing to a town who was the consensus choice?xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:19 pmInitially I had intended to submit my choice this morning, but when I checked there was nobody with more than one vote. Then I expected to check again at lunchtime and make my choice then. I wasn't too worried because a random choice is about as good as what I would make. The vote was no guarantee that we would be voting for a townie, and in fact the mafia could easily manipulate the vote anyway since there was no consensus.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:05 pmWhy didn't you let the rest of us know this and ask for votes by a certain time so you could submit a choice before the deadline?
The anonymous tip requires no player input, and is therefore given at the start of its operational phase.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:30 pmIs the anonymous tip provided at the end of the 24 hours of phase 2, or as soon as it is requested?
GM NOTE:bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:21 pmThank you, can we also get a confirmation that the choice is announced as soon as it is made, and that the player making the choice does not have the option to change their mind?yavuzovic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:15 pmGM NOTE: In case the deadline for operations is missed, targets are randomly chosen, in order to prevent information loss. This was added at the setup draft but somehow removed in the setup post.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:53 pm
Can we get a GM confirmation that the target is selected at random if no choice is submitted by the deadline? The setup does not mention this.
No, taking a random chance as mafia would be silly. There was no consensus choice, if I was mafia I could have chosen anyone I wanted since nobody had more than one vote last time I checked the thread. The fact I was not concerned about a random choice should indicate town, not scum. Why are you trying to make it look like the opposite?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:28 pmYou were not concerned that failing to enter a choice would make it look like you are mafia taking a chance on the random draw instead of confessing to a town who was the consensus choice?xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:19 pmInitially I had intended to submit my choice this morning, but when I checked there was nobody with more than one vote. Then I expected to check again at lunchtime and make my choice then. I wasn't too worried because a random choice is about as good as what I would make. The vote was no guarantee that we would be voting for a townie, and in fact the mafia could easily manipulate the vote anyway since there was no consensus.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:05 pm
Why didn't you let the rest of us know this and ask for votes by a certain time so you could submit a choice before the deadline?
Then brain already received his tip.e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:36 pmThe anonymous tip requires no player input, and is therefore given at the start of its operational phase.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:30 pmIs the anonymous tip provided at the end of the 24 hours of phase 2, or as soon as it is requested?
There was a consensus choice by the deadline though, and we have no way of knowing when you really last checked in. By not choosing the consensus choice, you look suspicious.xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:44 pmNo, taking a random chance as mafia would be silly. There was no consensus choice, if I was mafia I could have chosen anyone I wanted since nobody had more than one vote last time I checked the thread. The fact I was not concerned about a random choice should indicate town, not scum. Why are you trying to make it look like the opposite?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:28 pmYou were not concerned that failing to enter a choice would make it look like you are mafia taking a chance on the random draw instead of confessing to a town who was the consensus choice?xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:19 pm
Initially I had intended to submit my choice this morning, but when I checked there was nobody with more than one vote. Then I expected to check again at lunchtime and make my choice then. I wasn't too worried because a random choice is about as good as what I would make. The vote was no guarantee that we would be voting for a townie, and in fact the mafia could easily manipulate the vote anyway since there was no consensus.
As town you should have been very worried about failing to pick the consensus choice.xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:44 pmNo, taking a random chance as mafia would be silly. There was no consensus choice, if I was mafia I could have chosen anyone I wanted since nobody had more than one vote last time I checked the thread. The fact I was not concerned about a random choice should indicate town, not scum. Why are you trying to make it look like the opposite?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:28 pmYou were not concerned that failing to enter a choice would make it look like you are mafia taking a chance on the random draw instead of confessing to a town who was the consensus choice?xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:19 pm
Initially I had intended to submit my choice this morning, but when I checked there was nobody with more than one vote. Then I expected to check again at lunchtime and make my choice then. I wasn't too worried because a random choice is about as good as what I would make. The vote was no guarantee that we would be voting for a townie, and in fact the mafia could easily manipulate the vote anyway since there was no consensus.
@GM are we allowed to know if EP was a Xorxes choice or a random choice? If so please do tellbozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:20 pmNow that I know more about how the confession operation works, this is what I would expect from xorxes:
If town, I would expect him to choose damo.
If mafia, I would expect him to choose a mafia teammate at the deadline and claim it was a random choice because he missed the deadline.
Does anyone disagree that these were the best options for town and mafia?
+1damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 pm@GM are we allowed to know if EP was a Xorxes choice or a random choice? If so please do tellbozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:20 pmNow that I know more about how the confession operation works, this is what I would expect from xorxes:
If town, I would expect him to choose damo.
If mafia, I would expect him to choose a mafia teammate at the deadline and claim it was a random choice because he missed the deadline.
Does anyone disagree that these were the best options for town and mafia?
That should be enough proof. If I had submitted a choice it would have been processed before phase adjudication, not simultaneously with it.e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:22 am##GM Note
The GMs cannot confirm or deny whether xorxes submitted a choice in time or not.
However, be aware that for any orders sent in before phase adjudication, the results will be processed as instantaneously as possible, before the start of the next phase.
Being okay with a group vote on confession but not on secret Intel is sus.yuuki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:53 pmI would like to see a vote here for sure. Not sure if it's the smartest thing for me to let mafia influence this vote though. I was thinking about just doing it randomly by rolling some dice.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:03 pmIt might be a good idea to vote on the secret intel targets also.
xorxes and yuuki, are you OK with a majority vote determining your targets?
I'm in an interesting position here bcz I know I was ultimately the decision for xorxes' confession but I am able to look back and see the votes leading up to that.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:51 pmSince there has not been any objection yet to voting for the xorxes and yuuki targets here is my vote:
xorxes confesses to rdrivera
yuuki targets brainbomb and rdrivera