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Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:10 pm

ND wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 pm

I am not BA or scum, but I was roleblocked last night.

So what's your explanation of why there was only one NK?

Could be a lot of things. BA and Mafia could have both hit Chippie. Mafia could have held the NK. BA could have held the kill and scouted.

It's pretty imperative that we don't mislynch today. I don't see how we win this if we mislynch. It's GG basically. But, all I know is my role and I am a VT.

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 pm

In M39 I was mafia with ND (I got killed D1), and we were in a real bad spot. ND advocated for some crazy unorthodox NKs because chaos only helps scum, and if we had made the obvious kills, the status quo would have held and ND and (I think Yav) would have been lynched since they were the top scumreads.

These NKs look like an attempt to do just this - break the status quo. That would mean ND and/or Fox are mafia.

How does ND's trickery in M39 implicate me?

ND wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:18 pm

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:10 pm

ND wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 pm

I am not BA or scum, but I was roleblocked last night.

So what's your explanation of why there was only one NK?

Could be a lot of things. BA and Mafia could have both hit Chippie. Mafia could have held the NK. BA could have held the kill and scouted.

It's pretty imperative that we don't mislynch today. I don't see how we win this if we mislynch. It's GG basically. But, all I know is my role and I am a VT.

Okay, I'll assume you're town. What do you think of the theory that the scumteam tried to setup a mislynch between us by trying to kill squigs (a move useful to implicate either of us, since scum-ND would want to make it look like he was being set up, and scum-Foxcastle would want to eliminate a potential vote for himself and keep Durga around to push you). But bounced off squigs because he's the BA.

Basically, do you think Squigs is a good candidate for BA?

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:21 pm

Okay, I'll assume you're town.

And when I say that, I mean for the purposes of this exploration of Squigs only.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:21 pm

ND wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:18 pm

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:10 pm

So what's your explanation of why there was only one NK?

Could be a lot of things. BA and Mafia could have both hit Chippie. Mafia could have held the NK. BA could have held the kill and scouted.

It's pretty imperative that we don't mislynch today. I don't see how we win this if we mislynch. It's GG basically. But, all I know is my role and I am a VT.

Okay, I'll assume you're town. What do you think of the theory that the scumteam tried to setup a mislynch between us by trying to kill squigs (a move useful to implicate either of us, since scum-ND would want to make it look like he was being set up, and scum-Foxcastle would want to eliminate a potential vote for himself and keep Durga around to push you). But bounced off squigs because he's the BA.

Basically, do you think Squigs is a good candidate for BA?

Squigs has claimed that he has been roleblocked previously. If that's truthful then that disqualifies him from being the BA.

Ok Im on page, in the middle of reading the case on Fox-et as scumteam, you know where my vote is going today, lets lynch ##vote FoxCastle
I was worried there wasnt going to be anything but the vote speculations, which was pretty weak, but now Im reading the interactions part

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:02 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:54 pm

Possible they targeted BA and the kill hit scum but I really doubt that. Don't know why they'd kill Chippe over Squigs. It's possible though that they're desperate to find the BA and decided to rb their first choice and kill their second.

To complete the thought out loud: this would imply that ND was the BA.

Well no. It's possible that someone else was their kill who turned out to be the BA and the BA killed Chippe.

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 pm

In M39 I was mafia with ND (I got killed D1), and we were in a real bad spot. ND advocated for some crazy unorthodox NKs because chaos only helps scum, and if we had made the obvious kills, the status quo would have held and ND and (I think Yav) would have been lynched since they were the top scumreads.

These NKs look like an attempt to do just this - break the status quo. That would mean ND and/or Fox are mafia.

Squigs I think you are trapped in a tunnel a bit. While, yes, I am proud of my play in M39 and also the testament to my philosophy of being scum (as I wrote in the mafia qt that game) I don’t think it’s applicable to me in this game. I also am a firm believer in no bussing/no connections. I've always believed in that. I wouldn't even vote Yav in M39 when everyone was on him. But, I doubt any of this will change your mind as you seem pretty locked in.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:18 pm

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 pm

In M39 I was mafia with ND (I got killed D1), and we were in a real bad spot. ND advocated for some crazy unorthodox NKs because chaos only helps scum, and if we had made the obvious kills, the status quo would have held and ND and (I think Yav) would have been lynched since they were the top scumreads.

These NKs look like an attempt to do just this - break the status quo. That would mean ND and/or Fox are mafia.

How does ND's trickery in M39 implicate me?

You and ND were top lynch candidates throughout the night. The two of you have the most incentive to break the status quo.

ND wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:33 pm

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 pm

In M39 I was mafia with ND (I got killed D1), and we were in a real bad spot. ND advocated for some crazy unorthodox NKs because chaos only helps scum, and if we had made the obvious kills, the status quo would have held and ND and (I think Yav) would have been lynched since they were the top scumreads.

These NKs look like an attempt to do just this - break the status quo. That would mean ND and/or Fox are mafia.

Squigs I think you are trapped in a tunnel a bit. While, yes, I am proud of my play in M39 and also the testament to my philosophy of being scum (as I wrote in the mafia qt that game) I don’t think it’s applicable to me in this game. I also am a firm believer in no bussing/no connections. I've always believed in that. I wouldn't even vote Yav in M39 when everyone was on him. But, I doubt any of this will change your mind as you seem pretty locked in.

I've moved away from a firm ND Fox team which is why I put and/or. I think at least one of you is mafia though.

Well, all I can tell you is, it isn't me. And I think I've proven who the scum team is hence my vote.

##vote ND

The likelihood of him being either mafia or BA is pretty high. The RB claim gives me pause, but I think it is wifom.

Need to revisit him and Fox before EoD though, look for other pairings

##vote ND.

I think he is likely to be either BA or mafia because he claimed rb. Let's work under the assumption the BA didn't hold his shot (because, why would he?). Here are the possible outcomes:

1. Mafia rb ND and use their night kill on Chippe - there's only one kill so ND is BA
2. Mafia hold their rb and hits BA. BA kills Chippe.
3. Mafia rb ND and both Mafia and BA hit Chippe.

#3 is absolutely ridiculous and is the only scenario in which ND is town. Otherwise he's BA or a mafia who's fake claiming.

Unless they've totally lost it and withheld their NK

Updated vote counts

Wagon # Voters DAY 1
bozotheclown (11) Percy Williams, et, damo666, Squigs44, ChippeRock, connorcompton, Carl Tuckerson, FlaviusAetius, rdrivera2005, Nephthys, Tom Bombadil
FlaviusAetius (7) Balki Bartokomous, dargorygel, Foxcastle, MoscowFleet, TrPrado, Durga, bozotheclown
CruaaderReynauld (2) ND, teacon7
ChippeRock (1) EspressoPatronum
Percy Williams(1) xorxes
No‑Lynch (1) CruaaderReynauld

Wagon # Voters DAY 2
EspressoPatronum (10) TrPrado damo666 Foxcastle et Nephthys xorxes Percy Williams Balki Bartokomous teacon7 ChippeRock
et (9) rdrivera2005 connorcompton EspressoPatronum Squigs44 ND Durga Tom Bombadil peterlund FlaviusAetius

Wagon # Voters DAY 3
xorxes (10) Durga Percy Williams Nephthys teacon7 ND et rdrivera2005 Balki Bartokomous Squigs44 FlaviusAetius
teacon7 (4) peterlund damo666 connorcompton Foxcastle
Foxcastle (1) ChippeRock
Percy Williams (1) xorxes

Wagon # Voters DAY 4
teacon7 (7) peterlund et damo666 Durga ND Foxcastle Squigs44
Foxcastle (6) ChippeRock teacon7 Nephthys Percy Williams connorcompton FlaviusAetius


Day 5 is pointless everyone was on damo but here is the order anyway

Wagon # Voters DAY 5
damo666 (9) ND connorcompton FlaviusAetius Foxcastle Squigs44 Percy Williams Durga et ChippeRock
connorcompton (1) damo666

I can't figure out damo's motivation in claiming rb versus connor.

VOTE COUNT 6.1

Foxcastle (2) - ND, FlaviusAetius
ND (2) - Squigs44, Durga

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched.

Nearly the whole of Day 6 remains.

I think Durga's analysis is correct.

##VOTE ND

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:34 pm

I think Durga's analysis is correct.

##VOTE ND

what part is correct? is there nothing you see that i potentially overlooked?

well this is pretty disheartening. I have one scum on me and two morons. I guess I'm just satisfied that I did the best I could. The blame can fall on the morons post-game.

Killing BA and being at 4-2 tomorrow is probably our best shot at winning this