Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - Signup Thread

[worcej]

...Can town vote to NL after the judge uses his power?

...how close to EoD can a maf daykill fire?

I'm seeing maf able to score two town deaths if the judge picks wrongly.

Yes, no-lynch is still an option once the power is fired. I did not explicitly remove that.

Whenever they want, though they will be a dick if they do it with 1 minute left @ EOD...

Let me clarify:

The judge picks two candidates. They're both town. Maf knows this.
Maf secretary tells the assassin to kill candidate A. The maf assassin sends the order in as close to EoD as the GM will allow. Candidate A dies. Town now has to move to candidate B (now the only option), or vote NL (if such is allowed).

A mafia daykill lets them abuse that situation. A vig wouldn't have information like "they're both town" on a judged lynch (so it'd be less rife for abuse), though a similar situation could still arise if one judged-lynch candidate of the two got vigshot.

This is a valid point, but also somewhat of a waste of the day kill (imo). As others did point out, it will still net 2 dead townies anyways if they have the day kill and target a non-judge target and the judge does target two towns.

[worcej]

I have an interesting situation to propose to you all: what if we lock the mafia daykill behind the condition that the blind assassin needs to die first?

[teacon7]

Nah. It seems a bit maf-sided, but I'm not sure what could be done without giving town a vig. And then pretty soon everyone has a gun, and the game ends d3.

Maybe the assassin doesn't get a daykill until (for any reason) a member of the mafia dies? If the assassin dies first, it's tough luck...

[teacon7]

This is a valid point, As others did point out, it will still net 2 dead townies anyways if they have the day kill and target a non-judge target and the judge does target two towns.

That's fair, I guess I hadn't thought of that. I was envisioning swinging a lynch by killing off one lynch candidate right before EoD. That doesn't rely on judge powers though... and on reflection, it might not be great play on the assassin's part.

[worcej]

This is a valid point, As others did point out, it will still net 2 dead townies anyways if they have the day kill and target a non-judge target and the judge does target two towns.

That's fair, I guess I hadn't thought of that. I was envisioning swinging a lynch by killing off one lynch candidate right before EoD. That doesn't rely on judge powers though... and on reflection, it might not be great play on the assassin's part.

Jamie and I also discussed the kill is a car bomb. It must be placed during the day and will go off at the end of the next night. Being jailed would save the person from the bomb.

[Carl Tuckerson]

If the judge pairs two towns together, the mafia can always kill two townies in one turn. What's special about them being able to shoot one of the townies up for a vote? If anything, shouldn't they let the two townies stay alive as long as possible?
Killing one of the townies confirms both of them (as the mafia would not shoot a townie if their partner were up for a vote), and even if this is done as close to deadline as possible to mitigate the usefulness of this fact, that's still giving free info.

I don't think shooting one would confirm the other one. It's risky, but if the judged lynch is MvT, why not shoot the T for maximum wifom experience? The Judge has the power to limit vote options, but that doesn't mean his scumreads are right.

In general it will make zero sense for the mafia to shoot the townie instead of attempting to save their partner. It doesn't matter how much confusion the mafia could sow under the presumption that the other person up for a lynch is a townie because the "townie" will flip mafia and then everyone can proceed apace with the new information. It is all upside for the town for the mafia to shoot a townie in that circumstance because it locks the town into killing a mafia. Why not sow confusion in a way that doesn't guarantee your own guy gets killed?

[EspressoPatronum]

Confirmed

[worcej]

1. e.m.c^42 - CONFIRMED
2. FlaviusAetius
3. Durga - BALKI? omg!!
4. ND - CONFIRMED
5. CrusaderReynauld - CONFIRMED
6. Damo666 - CONFIRMED
7. Dargorygel - CONFIRMED
8. TrPrAdO - CONFIRMED
9. xorxes - CONFIRMED
10. Rdrivera2005 - CONFIRMED
11. teacon7
12. Squigs44 - CONFIRMED
13. Nephthys
14. ChippeRock - CONFIRMED
15. Foxcastle - CONFIRMED
16. Moscowfleet - CONFIRMED
17. Tom Bombadil
18. bozo
19. EspressoPatronum - CONFIRMED
20. Carl Tuckerson - CONFIRMED
21. Percy Williams - CONFIRMED
22. Balki
23. et - CONFIRMED

Subs
1. peterlund
2. Connorcompton
3. ubercacher16

[bozotheclown]

1. e.m.c^42 - CONFIRMED
2. FlaviusAetius
3. Durga - BALKI? omg!!
4. ND - CONFIRMED
5. CrusaderReynauld - CONFIRMED
6. Damo666 - CONFIRMED
7. Dargorygel - CONFIRMED
8. TrPrAdO - CONFIRMED
9. xorxes - CONFIRMED
10. Rdrivera2005 - CONFIRMED
11. teacon7
12. Squigs44 - CONFIRMED
13. Nephthys
14. ChippeRock - CONFIRMED
15. Foxcastle - CONFIRMED
16. Moscowfleet - CONFIRMED
17. Tom Bombadil
18. bozo - CONFIRMED
19. EspressoPatronum - CONFIRMED
20. Carl Tuckerson - CONFIRMED
21. Percy Williams - CONFIRMED
22. Balki
23. et - CONFIRMED

Subs
1. peterlund
2. Connorcompton
3. ubercacher16

[damo666]

PLease note I will be missing first 18 hours or so.

[ChippeRock]

##CALL GM

Shouldn't someone from the sublist replace ubercacher16? I mean, he took himself out, and isn't that what the subs are for?

Also, what will happen to anybody who doesn't confirm? Seeing as we have 5 who have yet to confirm...

[teacon7]

1. e.m.c^42 - CONFIRMED
2. FlaviusAetius
3. Durga - BALKI? omg!!
4. ND - CONFIRMED
5. CrusaderReynauld - CONFIRMED
6. Damo666 - CONFIRMED
7. Dargorygel - CONFIRMED
8. TrPrAdO - CONFIRMED
9. xorxes - CONFIRMED
10. Rdrivera2005 - CONFIRMED
11. teacon7 - CONFIRMED
12. Squigs44 - CONFIRMED
13. Nephthys
14. ChippeRock - CONFIRMED
15. Foxcastle - CONFIRMED
16. Moscowfleet - CONFIRMED
17. Tom Bombadil
18. bozo - CONFIRMED
19. EspressoPatronum - CONFIRMED
20. Carl Tuckerson - CONFIRMED
21. Percy Williams - CONFIRMED
22. Balki
23. et - CONFIRMED

Subs
1. peterlund
2. Connorcompton
3. ubercacher16

[Balki Bartokomous]

Yep.

[Jamiet99uk]

1. e.m.c^42 - CONFIRMED
2. FlaviusAetius
3. Durga - BALKI? omg!!
4. ND - CONFIRMED
5. CrusaderReynauld - CONFIRMED
6. Damo666 - CONFIRMED
7. Dargorygel - CONFIRMED
8. TrPrAdO - CONFIRMED
9. xorxes - CONFIRMED
10. Rdrivera2005 - CONFIRMED
11. teacon7 - CONFIRMED
12. Squigs44 - CONFIRMED
13. Nephthys
14. ChippeRock - CONFIRMED
15. Foxcastle - CONFIRMED
16. Moscowfleet - CONFIRMED
17. Tom Bombadil
18. bozo - CONFIRMED
19. EspressoPatronum - CONFIRMED
20. Carl Tuckerson - CONFIRMED
21. Percy Williams - CONFIRMED
22. Balki - YEP
23. et - CONFIRMED

Subs
1. peterlund
2. Connorcompton
3. ubercacher16

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Shouldn't someone from the sublist replace ubercacher16? I mean, he took himself out, and isn't that what the subs are for?

Also, what will happen to anybody who doesn't confirm? Seeing as we have 5 who have yet to confirm...

If Peterlund or Connor wish to take 24th slot, they may do so.

Unconfirmed players are being PMed by me, around about now.

[ChippeRock]

##CALL GM

Shouldn't someone from the sublist replace ubercacher16? I mean, he took himself out, and isn't that what the subs are for?

Also, what will happen to anybody who doesn't confirm? Seeing as we have 5 who have yet to confirm...

If Peterlund or Connor wish to take 24th slot, they may do so.

Unconfirmed players are being PMed by me, around about now.

Seeing as Connor originally wanted to play, it should be easy to fill that 24th slot. PM both peterlund and Connor, and if peterlund doesn't want to play, than I'm sure Connor is willing to play (considering he originally tried to join the game).

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you for telling us how to run the game.

[Tom Bombadil]

Confirm

[jmo1121109]

Hey all,

emc is no longer able to participate in this game due to internet problems. Please find a replacement.

Thanks

[ChippeRock]

Thank you for telling us how to run the game.

There's that arrogance!

Now why don't you get your ego out of the way, and explain to us how you & worcej are going to balance the game with 1 less player - which presumably means 1 less townie. Please also explain why re-balancing the game with 1 less player is easier & more beneficial than allowing another player (who, because peterlund has expressed he won't play, will be most likely be connor - who is a new Mafia player) to play this Mafia game.

I would assume that the game has already been re-balanced for 1 less player, but your post indicates that is not the case (as the game would have to be re-rebalanced to allow the 24th player to play). Previous posts on this forum don't appear to specifically address this new imbalance that is caused by 1 less player (townie).

You would think getting a replacement for Ubercacher would of greater importance to you considering that you told Connor to join the sublist so that he could replace somebody if necessary, but I suppose that's not the case. It's a little hypocritical to not actively try to replace Ubercacher when you specifically told Connor that he could join the sublist so that he could replace players if needed.

I would like to join...

and 'confirm'.

Hi Connor,

We're full up now - but would you like to join the subs list? With 24 players it's quite likely that a replacement will be needed.

Now, PM them both so that they're both aware that a spot has opened up in this game and so you can balance the game out with a replacement for Ubercacher. Or, re-balance the game to account for the 1 less townie that will be playing.

If you can PM people who haven't confirmed, than you should be able to PM the subs so that we can balance the game and, if peterlund doesn't want to play, allow a new Mafia player to play this game. Even if none of the subs want to/can replace Ubercacher, you would still have to re-balance the game to account for the 1 less townie anyways. We should actively try to let new Mafia players play, and if that requires a little more work - just a PM - than that PM should be sent.

From the looks of it, you're going to need to get as many subs as you can:

Hey all,

emc is no longer able to participate in this game due to internet problems. Please find a replacement.

Thanks

And even if you aren't able to successfully able to replace both Ubercacher & emc, it'll still be easier to rebalance the game with 1 less player than 2 fewer player.