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That would require them to leave me alive, so I would get a scan result.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm
Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
Or they jail you, but they can't do that twice in a row...Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 pmThat would require them to leave me alive, so I would get a scan result.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm
Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
Thus town still gets an information benefit.
well SK wants to work with town right now, if they go for town kills then scum just gets majority and lynches themFoxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pmThis is very helpful and is close to convincing me on No Lynch.worcej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 pmJust to help, since you are confirmed town, there is no way D5 heads to town being a minority if we no lynch. (note: I don't count the SK for or against the town, since they are personally motivated).Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 pmIn the way that I feel strongly Damo is scum and I would like to lynch him. I note your argument. I need a think. There is time.
Assuming a No lynch happens into N4, it's still 5-3-1 going into N4.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 4-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 5-2-1
All of these results still allow us to win.
If we mislynch now on D4, it's 4-3-1 going into N4. This makes the 4 options above become this:
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 2-3-1 - we have effectively lost.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 3-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
Obviously, if we hit a scum now it's 5-2-1 into night, which is the best situation for us, but it's still a gamble. I don't like our situation with Foxcastle, who I agree could be the SK but I think that would be a weird way to play it, which would be putting possibly two towns up for lynch today. Then again, he could also be telling the truth and then there is for sure a scum in Lord and Damo.
I like letting scum and the SK lower our pool of lynch targets lower for D5, which would possibly provide some clarity on who the scum and SK are for us to get.
Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
I'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pmI am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.
From the SK's role:
See bold and underlined. Not sure about the scum NK, but it still works out town is definitely ahead if they withhold the NK. SK only nets these results:BARBARIANS - 3RD PARTY SERIAL KILLER
Blessings of Earth upon ye Barbarians! You are loosely-organized bands of "wild" people that go around killing folks. Your goal is to survive and be among the last three standing. if you are still alive and the mongols are dead, and town is outnumbered, you win as long as you are in the final three.
x2 Bulletproof, and You must kill someone each night. If scanned by a Cop or Role cop you will appear as Vanilla Town. if Scanned by a civ cop or oracle you will be caught.
Correct, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.LordQuas wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pmI'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pmI am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.
he was jailed last night so I would assume that it doesn't countJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pmCorrect, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.LordQuas wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pmI'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pm
I am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.
Brain confirmed that a jail still counts. If Fox is telling the truth he is unable to save Jamie againLordQuas wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 pmhe was jailed last night so I would assume that it doesn't countJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pmCorrect, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
actually I'm not entirely sure how that would work but I think that's how I've seen it done before?
But if he was truthful and he was jailed, wouldn't that let him save you tonight anyways because the action never actually happened?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pmCorrect, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
No. The GM has confirmed this. He cannot target the same person consecutively.worcej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:08 pmBut if he was truthful and he was jailed, wouldn't that let him save you tonight anyways because the action never actually happened?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pmCorrect, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
How do you know they can't jail the same player two times in a row?Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:50 pmOr they jail you, but they can't do that twice in a row...Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 pmThat would require them to leave me alive, so I would get a scan result.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm
Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
Thus town still gets an information benefit.