Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2361 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pm

LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:37 pm
oh also if foxc IS actually town doctor, he's unblocked tonight and gets a chance to heal someone

ALSO we get another scan from jamie
I am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.

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#2362 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
That would require them to leave me alive, so I would get a scan result.

Thus town still gets an information benefit.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2363 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:48 pm

##CALL GM:

If I scan the Universal Backup, and they have assumed the role of Jailor, does my scan return the result "Jailor" or "Universal Backup"?

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2364 Post by Foxcastle » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:50 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
That would require them to leave me alive, so I would get a scan result.

Thus town still gets an information benefit.
Or they jail you, but they can't do that twice in a row...

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2365 Post by LordQuas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:52 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 pm
In the way that I feel strongly Damo is scum and I would like to lynch him. I note your argument. I need a think. There is time.
Just to help, since you are confirmed town, there is no way D5 heads to town being a minority if we no lynch. (note: I don't count the SK for or against the town, since they are personally motivated).

Assuming a No lynch happens into N4, it's still 5-3-1 going into N4.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 4-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 5-2-1

All of these results still allow us to win.

If we mislynch now on D4, it's 4-3-1 going into N4. This makes the 4 options above become this:
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 2-3-1 - we have effectively lost.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 3-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1

Obviously, if we hit a scum now it's 5-2-1 into night, which is the best situation for us, but it's still a gamble. I don't like our situation with Foxcastle, who I agree could be the SK but I think that would be a weird way to play it, which would be putting possibly two towns up for lynch today. Then again, he could also be telling the truth and then there is for sure a scum in Lord and Damo.

I like letting scum and the SK lower our pool of lynch targets lower for D5, which would possibly provide some clarity on who the scum and SK are for us to get.
This is very helpful and is close to convincing me on No Lynch.

Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
well SK wants to work with town right now, if they go for town kills then scum just gets majority and lynches them

and scum holding a NK is pro-town? lol

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2366 Post by LordQuas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pm
LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:37 pm
oh also if foxc IS actually town doctor, he's unblocked tonight and gets a chance to heal someone

ALSO we get another scan from jamie
I am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.
I'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2367 Post by worcej » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm
Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
From the SK's role:
BARBARIANS - 3RD PARTY SERIAL KILLER
Blessings of Earth upon ye Barbarians! You are loosely-organized bands of "wild" people that go around killing folks. Your goal is to survive and be among the last three standing. if you are still alive and the mongols are dead, and town is outnumbered, you win as long as you are in the final three.
x2 Bulletproof, and You must kill someone each night. If scanned by a Cop or Role cop you will appear as Vanilla Town. if Scanned by a civ cop or oracle you will be caught.
See bold and underlined. Not sure about the scum NK, but it still works out town is definitely ahead if they withhold the NK. SK only nets these results:

SK hits town: 4-3-1
SK hits scum: 5-2-1

So scum would be foolish to withhold their kill honestly.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2368 Post by Nephthys » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:54 pm

##Vote No-lynch

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#2369 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pm

LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pm
LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:37 pm
oh also if foxc IS actually town doctor, he's unblocked tonight and gets a chance to heal someone

ALSO we get another scan from jamie
I am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.
I'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?
Correct, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.

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#2370 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:01 pm

Alright then.

##VOTE NO-LYNCH

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2371 Post by LordQuas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pm
LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:45 pm


I am sure scum will kill me tonight, to avoid me doing so.
I'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?
Correct, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
he was jailed last night so I would assume that it doesn't count

actually I'm not entirely sure how that would work but I think that's how I've seen it done before?

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2372 Post by Nephthys » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:08 pm

LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pm
LordQuas wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 pm


I'm assuming jailkeepers can't consec target on this site right? You see where I'm going with this?
Correct, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
he was jailed last night so I would assume that it doesn't count

actually I'm not entirely sure how that would work but I think that's how I've seen it done before?
Brain confirmed that a jail still counts. If Fox is telling the truth he is unable to save Jamie again

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2373 Post by worcej » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:08 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pm
Correct, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
But if he was truthful and he was jailed, wouldn't that let him save you tonight anyways because the action never actually happened?

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#2374 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:21 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:08 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pm
Correct, but neither can Doctors. So if Fox is Doc, he cannot save me tonight.
But if he was truthful and he was jailed, wouldn't that let him save you tonight anyways because the action never actually happened?
No. The GM has confirmed this. He cannot target the same person consecutively.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2375 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:52 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:50 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Here's what I want to think about: if No Lynch is the best option for Town, what's to prevent SK and Mafia from just holding their kills and preventing Town from reaping the benefit of their actions?
That would require them to leave me alive, so I would get a scan result.

Thus town still gets an information benefit.
Or they jail you, but they can't do that twice in a row...
How do you know they can't jail the same player two times in a row?

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2376 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:59 pm

There is nothing in the role document saying the jailor can't jail the same player 2 nights in a row.

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#2377 Post by LordQuas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:03 pm

if JK can consec target then gg this setup was scum sided move on lol

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2378 Post by LordQuas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:04 pm

##Call GM can jailor jail consec and can a doc who was jailed and prevented from using their NA then target the same player

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#2379 Post by brainbomb » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#2380 Post by LordQuas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:06 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm
Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec
ok then, ez game, NAs are on our side if we no lynch as well

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