Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[brainbomb]

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

this is standard

[LordQuas]

we're going to have either a role cop alive tomorrow, potentially with another peek

or a conf scum in foxc

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##CALL GM:

If I scan the Universal Backup, and they have assumed the role of Jailor, does my scan return the result "Jailor" or "Universal Backup"?

If role cop is used on a universal backup who has chosen a role, they will appear identical to that new role on rolecop scanning

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Vote Count Day 4.3


No‑Lynch (4) LordQuas worcej Nephthys Jamiet99uk
LordQuas (2) damo666 DemonRHK
damo666 (1) Foxcastle
Foxcastle (1) bozotheclown

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Durga

Currently No Lynch is scheduled to die
24 hours remain

[LordQuas]

Vote Count Day 4.3


No‑Lynch (4) LordQuas worcej Nephthys Jamiet99uk
LordQuas (2) damo666 DemonRHK
damo666 (1) Foxcastle
Foxcastle (1) bozotheclown

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Non-votes
Durga

Currently No Lynch is scheduled to die
24 hours remain

[bozotheclown]

In the way that I feel strongly Damo is scum and I would like to lynch him. I note your argument. I need a think. There is time.

Just to help, since you are confirmed town, there is no way D5 heads to town being a minority if we no lynch. (note: I don't count the SK for or against the town, since they are personally motivated).

Assuming a No lynch happens into N4, it's still 5-3-1 going into N4.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 4-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 5-2-1

All of these results still allow us to win.

If we mislynch now on D4, it's 4-3-1 going into N4. This makes the 4 options above become this:
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 2-3-1 - we have effectively lost.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 3-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1

Obviously, if we hit a scum now it's 5-2-1 into night, which is the best situation for us, but it's still a gamble. I don't like our situation with Foxcastle, who I agree could be the SK but I think that would be a weird way to play it, which would be putting possibly two towns up for lynch today. Then again, he could also be telling the truth and then there is for sure a scum in Lord and Damo.

I like letting scum and the SK lower our pool of lynch targets lower for D5, which would possibly provide some clarity on who the scum and SK are for us to get.

The cases where the NK hits the SK should be 4-3-0, 5-2-0, 3-3-0, 4-2-0. 3-3-0 is also a loss.

I am not sure a no lynch buys us much, either we are reducing the lynch pool for the SK, or the SK is reducing the lynch pool for us. However, I do not think it hurts us to let the SK go first.

##VOTE No Lynch

[Jamiet99uk]

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

##CALL GM

One page 108 you gave the opposite ruling with regard to the Doctor.

Can you 100% confirm that you are now over-ruling your previous response?

[bozotheclown]

The role document says the doctor can't protect the same player two days in a row, but it does not say the jailor can't jail the same player two days in a row, but Foxcastle stated it as a fact.

[bozotheclown]

and the sk killed a confirmed town? scum doesn't even want to hit SK with the NK as it removes their kill for the night. Still doesn't explain why they would jail foxc instead of you either

What was your theory? You post a lot.

fair, Foxc is SK, blind claimed doc to try and save himself d1 (it makes it even more likely in that he might not have known scum got fake claims, I haven't actually gone back to check if he knew this or not but whatever it's not vital). He wouldn't have the opportunity to do something right away, it's a good fake claim honestly

Scum then believes he's doctor, doc happens to not be one of their fake claims or the role they randed, so what else could he be? They try to get him MLed for several days straight as hell, a town doctor ML? That's sick!

But they don't, and the first doctor heal comes around, and oh shit the role cop claimed, but they can't kill him, they kill the next best thing, the mason, instead

Foxc though, he needs a reason why he wasn't able to visit in case of a watcher, and to set up the idea that there's a JK out there somewhere, so he claims jailed

Sick play huh

There is a much more simple explanation, Foxcastle is scum, jailor claim with CrimsonFox NK for WIFOM.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:

##Call GM , could a jailed doctor attempt to [save] same person the next night?

no

But now:

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

These two rulings conflict each other.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo: Do you think that Foxcastle scumslipped, as I have suggested?

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##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:

##Call GM , could a jailed doctor attempt to [save] same person the next night?

no

But now:

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

These two rulings conflict each other.

If jailed you were rolestopped Jamie. you never got to save the target. you may attempt again as you never got off attempt 1. this is basic logic

[brainbomb]

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

##CALL GM

One page 108 you gave the opposite ruling with regard to the Doctor.

Can you 100% confirm that you are now over-ruling your previous response?

Nope. its not overruling. just common sense.

[brainbomb]

The role document says the doctor can't protect the same player two days in a row, but it does not say the jailor can't jail the same player two days in a row, but Foxcastle stated it as a fact.

same rules apply. both roles. you cant self jail. And if you were jailed you were effectively roleblocked so you can consec save in that circunstance since your first save attempt never happened.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:

no

But now:

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

These two rulings conflict each other.

If jailed you were rolestopped Jamie. you never got to save the target. you may attempt again as you never got off attempt 1. this is basic logic

Right, but you can surely see that, when Netphys asked you that question the first time, you gave the opposite response?

The two rulings did conflict each other. Just making that clear.

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##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:





But now:




These two rulings conflict each other.

If jailed you were rolestopped Jamie. you never got to save the target. you may attempt again as you never got off attempt 1. this is basic logic

Right, but you can surely see that, when Netphys asked you that question the first time, you gave the opposite response?

The two rulings did conflict each other. Just making that clear.

mmk well they dont. but its okay you dont understand what rolestoppage does wrt power use. You cant call a save attempted if it never happened.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Call GM , could a jailed doctor attempt to same person the next night?

no

The answer to this question should have been "Yes"... correct?

[LordQuas]

In the way that I feel strongly Damo is scum and I would like to lynch him. I note your argument. I need a think. There is time.

Just to help, since you are confirmed town, there is no way D5 heads to town being a minority if we no lynch. (note: I don't count the SK for or against the town, since they are personally motivated).

Assuming a No lynch happens into N4, it's still 5-3-1 going into N4.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 4-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 5-2-1

All of these results still allow us to win.

If we mislynch now on D4, it's 4-3-1 going into N4. This makes the 4 options above become this:
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 2-3-1 - we have effectively lost.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 3-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1

Obviously, if we hit a scum now it's 5-2-1 into night, which is the best situation for us, but it's still a gamble. I don't like our situation with Foxcastle, who I agree could be the SK but I think that would be a weird way to play it, which would be putting possibly two towns up for lynch today. Then again, he could also be telling the truth and then there is for sure a scum in Lord and Damo.

I like letting scum and the SK lower our pool of lynch targets lower for D5, which would possibly provide some clarity on who the scum and SK are for us to get.

The cases where the NK hits the SK should be 4-3-0, 5-2-0, 3-3-0, 4-2-0. 3-3-0 is also a loss.

I am not sure a no lynch buys us much, either we are reducing the lynch pool for the SK, or the SK is reducing the lynch pool for us. However, I do not think it hurts us to let the SK go first.

##VOTE No Lynch

Well I suppose bozo can't be SK now lol, SK is bulletproof bub

[brainbomb]

Hi Jamie I am not in the game. so questions to determine if I am lying are time wasting execerises. please continue playing the game. I am not in this game and have no reason to lie. Ive made my ruling and also clarified it.

Please understand that consecutive saving or jailing isnt a thing.

a doc may consecutively save if they were jailed however. if a doctor tries to save a commuter this also applies. you cant register a save attempt unless there is a targetable individual. in cases of being jailed you never acted. in cases of a commuter your target was untargetable. so in those EXCEPTIONS consecutive acts are allowed

[LordQuas]

I think your question was interpreted as "can a jailed doctor heal someone" when it was originally answered, which the answer is of course, no

confusing wording