Re: wD Mafia Master Post
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:46 pm
I don't understand what you mean, but neither of us is an English speaker.
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I don't understand what you mean, but neither of us is an English speaker.
If someone pluses posts after I read them, I’ll see different information than someone who reads the thread later.
Oh, I suppose that sorta makes sense, but +1 shouldn't be viewed as "information". I generally use them for posts I find funny, but I can see both sides of it.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:49 pmIf someone pluses posts after I read them, I’ll see different information than someone who reads the thread later.
The reason we lock the thread and make all posts appear in order is so this issue cannot occur.
To be complicated, I'd say it depends on what people discard.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pmI suppose the question is:worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:53 pmI think because there will be 20+ cards not in distribution, you could list the discarded cards and not break the game. A Mass claim on discards will always be subject to WIFOM because of the cards not actually used.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:23 pm
Yes, you will. I don't see a good reason to prevent that. Taking up Ghug's suggestion and not listing the discard pile means there's less danger of the game being broken by people mass-claiming their discards (remember there are also 22 cards that will never have been in circulation).
Is there a good reason, from a game balance perspective, why the discard pile *should* be revealed? Does concealing the contents of the discard pile cause any faction an unfair disadvantage?
If the answer is "no" then I'm inclined not to list the discarded cards.
This right here - if I was a GM and saw some +1 signaling moves being discussed, I'd squash it.
I've never seen a +1 as much of signaling, moreso as a sign of agreement of what someone may have said or not.
My issue with it mostly comes down to the fact that we are very likely going to be massclaiming them, and then it comes down to how good/lucky the scum and PRs are at concocting their lies instead of just playing the game.worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:10 pmTo be complicated, I'd say it depends on what people discard.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pmI suppose the question is:
Is there a good reason, from a game balance perspective, why the discard pile *should* be revealed? Does concealing the contents of the discard pile cause any faction an unfair disadvantage?
If the answer is "no" then I'm inclined not to list the discarded cards.
Seeing a mafia role in the discard would cause some interesting analysis, but it could be mute because maybe someone got two mafia roles? Or maybe it was someone who likes town more?
You cannot be sure of anything, and most likely it would be a distraction instead of a benefit, but you never know.
If bozo is playing, almost certainly the discussion of a mass claim is going to happen regardlessghug wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:16 pmMy issue with it mostly comes down to the fact that we are very likely going to be massclaiming them, and then it comes down to how good/lucky the scum and PRs are at concocting their lies instead of just playing the game.worcej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:10 pmTo be complicated, I'd say it depends on what people discard.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pm
I suppose the question is:
Is there a good reason, from a game balance perspective, why the discard pile *should* be revealed? Does concealing the contents of the discard pile cause any faction an unfair disadvantage?
If the answer is "no" then I'm inclined not to list the discarded cards.
Seeing a mafia role in the discard would cause some interesting analysis, but it could be mute because maybe someone got two mafia roles? Or maybe it was someone who likes town more?
You cannot be sure of anything, and most likely it would be a distraction instead of a benefit, but you never know.
I worry about that even without revealing the discards, but at least there's more wiggle room that way.
If you allowed +1s in your game in the first place, why would you "squash" this particular use of a thing which you have decided should be allowed?
Like EMC and I did by +1ing every post and claiming it had to do with our roles?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:32 pmI don't want to have to police a rule that says "you're allowed to +1 posts, as long as you don't do it in a way that might help you win the game".
Making a code to +1 certain players posts at certain times to reveal something would be a sketch.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:32 pmI don't want to have to police a rule that says "you're allowed to +1 posts, as long as you don't do it in a way that might help you win the game".
I agree that it would, so the best solution for me as a GM is to not allow +1's, rather than to have to be alert for every possible use or mis-use of the +1 facility.worcej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:31 amMaking a code to +1 certain players posts at certain times to reveal something would be a sketch.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:32 pmI don't want to have to police a rule that says "you're allowed to +1 posts, as long as you don't do it in a way that might help you win the game".
It would be trying to break the game honestly.
Well then I will not +1 any GM posts, as I could be signalling something with the order/when I +1 you.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:39 pmI agree that it would, so the best solution for me as a GM is to not allow +1's, rather than to have to be alert for every possible use or mis-use of the +1 facility.worcej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:31 amMaking a code to +1 certain players posts at certain times to reveal something would be a sketch.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:32 pmI don't want to have to police a rule that says "you're allowed to +1 posts, as long as you don't do it in a way that might help you win the game".
It would be trying to break the game honestly.
I think I used that logic to fake a townread on a scum teammate once.Fluminator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:56 pmI had a correct strong town read on EMC from him instantly +1ing a GM post reveal. Because I was also instantly refreshing because I wanted to know who would flip!
If he was mafia he wouldn't be refreshing as frantically.